49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Mullins is a very good "Back-Up" and that's it.

Our OLine is weak - period.

Only Trent is stellar.

If JG returns next season and our OLine gets better players we'll go deep into the playoffs and IMO to the SBowl.

Well they aren't jettisoning McGlinchey in 2021. Rooks aren't gonna come in here and play elite no matter how much some pepole want to believe it to be true. So what you are looking at is hoping McKivitz can up his game in the offseason with some increased competition at C and RG from rooks. There is no day one starter to draft on the interior and they won't have the funds to make a push for a FA starter with their needs to sign current players. It's what it is.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Brunskill is not a good starting center in the NFL.

Or G. He's a backup T at best.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Brunskill is not a good starting center in the NFL.

They won't have funds to get one and a rook will take time to develop into a good one. So get used to him unless they decide to keep Richburg.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

McGlinchey has been the biggest disappointment by far. He's getting manhandled often by smaller players.

They do need to add young talent. But that young talent isn't going to come in and hit he ground running. They will need a year to develop. So in all likelihood a Williams/Tomlinson/Brunskill/McKivitz/McGlinchey OL is what we will start with in 2021 with prospects behind them.

100% to the bold for sure, unfortunately, unless it's a top notch talent who CAN hit the ground running like Mike McGlinchey when we first drafted him.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Brunskill is not a good starting center in the NFL.

They won't have funds to get one and a rook will take time to develop into a good one. So get used to him unless they decide to keep Richburg.

I have a feeling they'll stick with Richjured. Kyle is madly in love with that guy. It's going to be interesting.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
But we have the funds to get a new QB?

Not in FA. If they get someone it'd be in a trade. Otherwise it's a rookie.

Who has a starting center to trade right now?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

All 3 pressures right there, huh? j/k. Nice wide U to escape from too. LOL

Honestly, he ran right into one of those but clearly he has the athleticism and speed to get out of trouble laterally. Something our QB's certainly can't do too well. Maybe to the left. Nice to see receivers work back to help the QB and make terrific catches.

Must. Be. Nice.

Crazy what a good QB can do....

Honestly, even if we had their OL and play making ability esp. on off schedule plays, we certainly don't have that QB (today) who's athletic enough, mobile enough and poised enough (who isn't currently seeing ghosts) to make the best out of breakdowns.

Steve Young was the worst for OL his first couple years. OL constantly b***hing because they didn't know which way to block for him, when he was going to take off, how long to block for him, etc.?

Eventually Steve focused more on staying in the pocket and only using his legs on designs and in emergencies. There's a balance there.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Who has a starting QB to trade right now? I'm willing to bet the house there are more teams who would entertain a crazy trade offer for a "off the market" starting center than a legit QB.

This argument isn't working very well, IMHO. Even if we grab a rook QB, he's not starting and even if he starts behind this line at the place we're picking in the draft, he's not going to be any of the QBs we're seeing lighting up the NFL that you all speak so highly of.

I can list 20 teams that would be open to trading their starting center given the right price. There is no price for a legit starting QB that we can at all afford or trade for that's in the realm of what you all need to make this work.

Well yah if we give them multiple firsts sure we can get Ryan Jensen. Talking about realistic situations here.

Darnold can be had. Is he the right player? I don't know. But he can be had. Stafford might be too depending on circumstances. That'd be a more Trent WIliams like situation.

What QB am i talking so highly of? I just don't pretend that our QB's would be leading us to the SB right now with better OL play. Jimmy had PLENTY of time week 1 and couldn't hit the ocean from the beach. Nick had time against Buffalo and couldn't throw accurately. These guys haven't been good enough. I'm not arguing the OL doesn't need work i'm just realistic about it. We aren't trading for a top 10 center like you want. It's not realistic. Just as trading for Matt Ryan isnt.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Key word legit starting QB.

Darnold? Seriously? Stafford is way too expensive and will be more $ than Jimmy and falls in the same category as Ryan.

Didn't we just see better OL play last season with Jimmy and we were pretty successful doing that? This crew can't even RB as well as last year's lineup so we don't even have that to rely on.

Now it's legit QB. Ok well what Legit OC is available for a realistic price?

Stafford would make less here than Jimmy in 2021.

Ryan would cost the Falcons cap space to move. Stafford would save the Lions cap space. Not the same at all.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Well yeah, you all are saying JG is not a legit QB so I'm assuming you want something he isnt?

There's no way in hell Stafford comes here for less $ than Jimmy. Not gonna happen.

And if I'm the Lions, I'm asking for a s**t ton of picks for Stafford. We would need him more vs a team that's rebuilding.

Jimmy hasn't played like a legit qb this year. He needs to show something that makes me believe the 2019 Jimmy Garoppolo is even possible. I don't buy its the blocking. It's mental with him. Not comfortable with paying him 24 mil to find out. He wants to stay he needs to take a serious paycut. If Pats come calling with a nice offer though I absolutely move him.

Stafford is under contract for 2 years. I'd expect the 9ers to extend him anyway if they made the move.

32 year old QB with a high cap cost isn't going to net multiple picks. Hell there are only like 10 team that will have the ability to acquire him and most of those are rebuilding or have the guy they want to build around. It'd basically come down to us Pats and Colts.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Well yeah, you all are saying JG is not a legit QB so I'm assuming you want something he isnt?

There's no way in hell Stafford comes here for less $ than Jimmy. Not gonna happen.

And if I'm the Lions, I'm asking for a s**t ton of picks for Stafford. We would need him more vs a team that's rebuilding.

Jimmy hasn't played like a legit qb this year. He needs to show something that makes me believe the 2019 Jimmy Garoppolo is even possible. I don't buy its the blocking. It's mental with him. Not comfortable with paying him 24 mil to find out. He wants to stay he needs to take a serious paycut. If Pats come calling with a nice offer though I absolutely move him.

Stafford is under contract for 2 years. I'd expect the 9ers to extend him anyway if they made the move.

32 year old QB with a high cap cost isn't going to net multiple picks. Hell there are only like 10 team that will have the ability to acquire him and most of those are rebuilding or have the guy they want to build around. It'd basically come down to us Pats and Colts.

What are the chances the Pat's want him back? Whats the most we could get in return?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

All 3 pressures right there, huh? j/k. Nice wide U to escape from too. LOL

Honestly, he ran right into one of those but clearly he has the athleticism and speed to get out of trouble laterally. Something our QB's certainly can't do too well. Maybe to the left. Nice to see receivers work back to help the QB and make terrific catches.

Must. Be. Nice.

Crazy what a good QB can do....

We can dream . Too bad we have 3 statues for Qbs though.

The prospects for upgrading our QB, OL, DBs and edge rushers aren't great. The Niners don't have enough draft picks to trade up and still be able to fill all their needs. Unless they really roll the dice, any QB we take will probably be a 2nd or 3rd rounder. If they move up using draft licks, then it leaves other positions of need. They may not draft high enough to really get much in a trade.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Mullins is a very good "Back-Up" and that's it.

Our OLine is weak - period.

Only Trent is stellar.

If JG returns next season and our OLine gets better players we'll go deep into the playoffs and IMO to the SBowl.

Word.

Originally posted by Butter:
What are the chances the Pat's want him back? Whats the most we could get in return?

It all depends on how Bill sees him but dude was a huge huge fan. They aren't sitting pat with Cam Newton I know that.

The most is a 2. 3 might be more likely but who knows.