49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by thl408:

lol. Wasn't there a tweet about realizing how sacks occur. One is bad OL, one was bad QB, and another was (lack of) WR separation? Yeah many variables.

Yup I posted that

Originally posted by thl408:

The sacks from vs WAS.
Sack #1
3rd & 2. To the right is a zone busting concept. To the left is a pick/rub to work versus man (the #1 creates a pick for the #2 to go deep). Mullens correctly looks to his left. The pick does not work. Mullens holds on to see if anything materializes. Who is open? No one, imo.


Sack #2 Juice got blown up.

Sack #3
1st & 10, 1:00 remaining in half.
Kyle dials up a deep shot to get into FG position. Tomlinson gets beat here while Mullens waits for the deep routes to develop. Bourne gets open late in the play on his Dig but Mullens is already pressured at that point in the play and is rolling right, away from Bourne. Pass pro is asked to protect for this long developing play and couldn't.


Sack #4
3rd & 12
Tomlinson beat, forces Mullens to roll right. Who is open?

I mean Mullens could have taken off a lot of open field to run...I get it was 3rd down but it's better than taking a sack imo

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Tomlinson missed more blocks on Sunday than he did in the previous three games combined. Turns out, WFT's DL is pretty good.

Final drive for McGlinchey: Missed screen block. 90 beats him on 2nd down and makes stop for gain of 1. Gets beaten in pass pro. Holding, negates big play pic.twitter.com/UTHl7kjyZz

— KP (@KP_Show) December 15, 2020

Going back to this chart. Was it as simple as, "QB held the ball for 3+ seconds so the sack automatically falls on the QB". I don't agree with that.

need more consistency like this

Originally posted by NYniner85:
need more consistency like this

I'm going through and making a cut-up of various Mike McGlinchey reps from Sunday, but I couldn't resist to show you this one.

2nd-and-15, obvious passing down, McGlinchey 1:1 against Chase Young. See for yourself. pic.twitter.com/2fiStbbxdf

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) December 15, 2020

What we don't need is more airmailed passes like that.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
need more consistency like this

I'm going through and making a cut-up of various Mike McGlinchey reps from Sunday, but I couldn't resist to show you this one.

2nd-and-15, obvious passing down, McGlinchey 1:1 against Chase Young. See for yourself. pic.twitter.com/2fiStbbxdf

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) December 15, 2020

What we don't need is more airmailed passes like that.

Call that a hospital ball...Reid was like I'm not getting my 20th concussion lol. Mullens had a couple of these throws...besides being possible INTs it's pretty dangerous.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:
The sacks from vs WAS.

Sack #4
3rd & 12
Tomlinson beat, forces Mullens to roll right. Who is open?

I mean Mullens could have taken off a lot of open field to run...I get it was 3rd down but it's better than taking a sack imo

If all he wanted to do was to avoid a sack stat then sure, run it. But he was hoping for something to get open. It's 3rd & 12, he isn't running for a first down. To me, this is a combination of Tomlinson getting beat, and a coverage sack. I don't agree with that chart faulting Mullens for this sack.
To me, a QB should get faulted for a sack when he either looks to the incorrect route combination based on coverage, which makes him hold onto the ball too long, or when there is someone open but he doesn't pull the trigger.

Be careful with Akash, Barr, Javier, etc. Those guys have a massive agenda about wanting a new QB like NY85. David Lombardi is all over them too. Wrath as well.

PS: That doesn't mean they don't have valuable takes either. You can find something in everything.

Originally posted by thl408:
If all he wanted to do was to avoid a sack stat then sure, run it. But he was hoping for something to get open. It's 3rd & 12, he isn't running for a first down. To me, this is a combination of Tomlinson getting beat, and a coverage sack. I don't agree with that chart faulting Mullens for this sack.
To me, a QB should get faulted for a sack when he either looks to the incorrect route combination based on coverage, which makes him hold onto the ball too long, or when there is someone open but he doesn't pull the trigger.

I think that's a fair statement...no one open there at all regardless of Tomlinson getting beat. Poor play call. Which doesn't show up on that weekly QB hits list lol.

Man if we get someone with some speed at QB, that LBer is gonna get sucked back down into the box as soon as that QB starts moving forward...he either runs it or Bourne ( I think that's who it is) would be wide open.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Be careful with Akash, Barr, Javier, etc. Those guys have a massive agenda about wanting a new QB like NY85. David Lombardi is all over them too. Wrath as well.

relax, they simply have a different opinion than you do regarding everything about the OL. I guess Crocker is full of it too huh NC?

BUT yeah you're right we're completely fine at QB....not a chance any of these "QB hits" are any of their faults.

FWIW be careful Grant and NC have an agenda about wanting a whole new OL. We all know Grant doesn't have a agenda with his love affair with NIck Mullens. Lombardi has a hardon over Jimmy G as well lol. Never the QBs fault according him.

akrash with that damn agenda showing...film grrrrr

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:
If all he wanted to do was to avoid a sack stat then sure, run it. But he was hoping for something to get open. It's 3rd & 12, he isn't running for a first down. To me, this is a combination of Tomlinson getting beat, and a coverage sack. I don't agree with that chart faulting Mullens for this sack.
To me, a QB should get faulted for a sack when he either looks to the incorrect route combination based on coverage, which makes him hold onto the ball too long, or when there is someone open but he doesn't pull the trigger.

I think that's a fair statement...no one open there at all regardless of Tomlinson getting beat. Poor play call. Which doesn't show up on that weekly QB hits list lol.

Man if we get someone with some speed at QB, that LBer is gonna get sucked back down into the box as soon as that QB starts moving forward...he either runs it or Bourne ( I think that's who it is) would be wide open.

With Mullens trying to run for it would have gotten at least a 4th and short giving us a shot for a 4th down conversion. Jimmy and his robot leg would have ran for it

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:
If all he wanted to do was to avoid a sack stat then sure, run it. But he was hoping for something to get open. It's 3rd & 12, he isn't running for a first down. To me, this is a combination of Tomlinson getting beat, and a coverage sack. I don't agree with that chart faulting Mullens for this sack.
To me, a QB should get faulted for a sack when he either looks to the incorrect route combination based on coverage, which makes him hold onto the ball too long, or when there is someone open but he doesn't pull the trigger.

I think that's a fair statement...no one open there at all regardless of Tomlinson getting beat. Poor play call. Which doesn't show up on that weekly QB hits list lol.

Man if we get someone with some speed at QB, that LBer is gonna get sucked back down into the box as soon as that QB starts moving forward...he either runs it or Bourne ( I think that's who it is) would be wide open.

With Mullens trying to run for it would have gotten at least a 4th and short giving us a shot for a 4th down conversion. Jimmy and his robot leg would have ran for it

Robot leg lol nice. Yeah THL was right poor play call...good defensive call? Gonna happen when you have 65 plays in a game. Would love me a little athletic ability from a QB.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Robot leg lol nice. Yeah THL was right poor play call...good defensive call? Gonna happen when you have 65 plays in a game. Would love me a little athletic ability from a QB.

At this point i'll take not airmailing balls or missing slants by a foot.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Be careful with Akash, Barr, Javier, etc. Those guys have a massive agenda about wanting a new QB like NY85. David Lombardi is all over them too. Wrath as well.

relax, they simply have a different opinion than you do regarding everything about the OL. I guess Crocker is full of it too huh NC?

BUT yeah you're right we're completely fine at QB....not a chance any of these "QB hits" are any of their faults.

FWIW be careful Grant and NC have an agenda about wanting a whole new OL. We all know Grant doesn't have a agenda with his love affair with NIck Mullens. Lombardi has a hardon over Jimmy G as well lol. Never the QBs fault according him.

Don't forget your Matt Maiocco account too. LOL

Yeah, FTR, Lomnardi, NC, GM, Cohn, etc. Lean towards wanting better pass protectors for sure.

Then again, I'd love both actually. If this were politics I'd be all over the place. LOL

PS: I already said I thought MM had an above average game (even with the crucial drive).

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:
If all he wanted to do was to avoid a sack stat then sure, run it. But he was hoping for something to get open. It's 3rd & 12, he isn't running for a first down. To me, this is a combination of Tomlinson getting beat, and a coverage sack. I don't agree with that chart faulting Mullens for this sack.
To me, a QB should get faulted for a sack when he either looks to the incorrect route combination based on coverage, which makes him hold onto the ball too long, or when there is someone open but he doesn't pull the trigger.

I think that's a fair statement...no one open there at all regardless of Tomlinson getting beat. Poor play call. Which doesn't show up on that weekly QB hits list lol.

Man if we get someone with some speed at QB, that LBer is gonna get sucked back down into the box as soon as that QB starts moving forward...he either runs it or Bourne ( I think that's who it is) would be wide open.

Too many mobile QBs making plays out of nothing nowadays. All the rules are in place for that kind of QB to succeed.