49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by Goatie:
Chicken

what's the point lol.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Chicken

what's the point lol.

I blame the Oline. But I also blame Jimmy for the Oline.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Goatie:
Chicken

what's the point lol.

Why does there need to be a point? Sometimes blunt is good.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Goatie:
Chicken

what's the point lol.

I blame the Oline. But I also blame Jimmy for the Oline.

Oh my bad. I did not know Jimmy was selecting the Oline players. Learn something everyday.

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Chicken

what's the point lol.

I blame the Oline. But I also blame Jimmy for the Oline.

Oh my bad. I did not know Jimmy was selecting the Oline players. Learn something everyday.

Well that's not what I meant. But I'm glad you learned something

Originally posted by NCommand:

Haha. When you said it's good enough to win a Superbowl, that's exactly what you're saying. I'm not saying you haven't wanted to add more OL help, literally, every year. I've been with you on that. But you're perfectly fine with what we end up doing either way, even with get-by guys. It's just not of value to you. The standards aren't high and they certainly at the standards you now hold a QB too (to make up for that OL).

I've seen more conviction in one of your move-Garoppolo or rookie-QB posts than I've seen in 4 years combined on the OL topic. LOL

If you care about the (new) QB, you'll care about the OL with that same conviction.

This is a load of hyperbolic b******t and you know it, especially on the heels of last year
That is all lol

Originally posted by NCommand:
On a funny aside, had we had Andrew Norwell (69.8 grade instead of Tomlinson) and Ryan Jensen, we win a Superbowl. You don't value G's and it was G's that cost us the Superbowl. And poor C play too. No QB can throw through a DL's free arms.

I get your stance on QB. We're just saying good luck with those expectations if everything else is the same.

Side note: I already admitted Norwell was the wrong move several times.

And we probably don't have enough cash to get Sanders/Sherm because of that big fat Norwell contract. His PFF grade isn't substantially better than Tomlinson at all. It's turned out to be a very bad contract dude. I wanted Jensen over Richburg, sucks because he was played very well until the injury.

At lot of things cost SF that SB...there's a nice long article with film pointing out all the dumb s**t Jimmy did (along with our receivers). I posted it in the SB thread a while back, I'm not digging through that to find it though lol.

I don't expect everything else to stay the same.

Good I'm glad we can admit that one lol

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Maybe I'm misreading "offensive line is blocking well enough to be a Top-10 unit...?"

How are you reading that bud?

Where in that quote is he saying they are a top 10 OL this year?

The stat he's throwing out is from this year. It's about our OL this year. That's the tweet.

And nowhere does he say they are a top 10 OL this year: that's my only point.

So you're parsing "blocking well enough to be" vs "they are a"? Those are some pretty fine lines my friend.

Those aren't fine lines GM, those are facts. Nowhere did he say they are a top 10 OL this year

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

On a funny aside, had we had Andrew Norwell (69.8 grade instead of Tomlinson) and Ryan Jensen, we win a Superbowl. You don't value G's and it was G's that cost us the Superbowl. And poor C play too. No QB can throw through a DL's free arms.

I get your stance on QB. We're just saying good luck with those expectations if everything else is the same.

Side note: I already admitted Norwell was the wrong move several times.

And we probably don't have enough cash to get Sanders/Sherm because of that big fat Norwell contract. His PFF grade isn't substantially better than Tomlinson at all. It's turned out to be a very bad contract dude. I wanted Jensen over Richburg, sucks because he was played very well until the injury.

At lot of things cost SF that SB...there's a nice long article with film pointing out all the dumb s**t Jimmy did (along with our receivers). I posted it in the SB thread a while back, I'm not digging through that to find it though lol.

I don't expect everything else to stay the same.

Good I'm glad we can admit that one lol

Good. Sherman cost us too.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

On a funny aside, had we had Andrew Norwell (69.8 grade instead of Tomlinson) and Ryan Jensen, we win a Superbowl. You don't value G's and it was G's that cost us the Superbowl. And poor C play too. No QB can throw through a DL's free arms.

I get your stance on QB. We're just saying good luck with those expectations if everything else is the same.

Side note: I already admitted Norwell was the wrong move several times.

And we probably don't have enough cash to get Sanders/Sherm because of that big fat Norwell contract. His PFF grade isn't substantially better than Tomlinson at all. It's turned out to be a very bad contract dude. I wanted Jensen over Richburg, sucks because he was played very well until the injury.

At lot of things cost SF that SB...there's a nice long article with film pointing out all the dumb s**t Jimmy did (along with our receivers). I posted it in the SB thread a while back, I'm not digging through that to find it though lol.

I don't expect everything else to stay the same.

Good I'm glad we can admit that one lol

Good. Sherman cost us too.

And Moseley.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yes his "new" injury was his elbow ...he stated he dealt with shoulder issues for yrs and the yr off helped him recover as well. Dude's knees are shot as well.

You're the one that brought up Big Ben and if they don't want him to throw it deep, not me. I'm saying it's a bunch of things one being the OL and 2 he's not the same QB he was in the past. He's 38.

I'm saying throwing out a weekly QB hits stat is rubbish because it LACKS soooo much context that goes into every freaking NFL team on that list. Yes I understand the difference and you're reaching a little bit there. Does Josh Allen run a crap ton of under center PA? He's got the second highest TTT. Jackson is 3rd, wilson 4th, Ryan/Wentz/Lock tied for 5th. Don't act like we didn't run RPO out of shotgun either. We did.

The offense like you stated is a horizontal offense. He get's the ball out of his hand quickly...it's not a knock on anyone. When asked to push the ball downfield OVERALL he wasn't amazing at this. You disagree cool. I'm not gonna get into another Jimmy debate go argue with someone else about that. I've said my peace about him.

"BUT your QB hits stat said they weren't don't bad you used TTT & playcalling to try and push your narrative...where's that narrative now with INDY and Pitt? Big Ben is NOT pushing the ball downfield, 2.29 secs is ridiculous. There OL can't run block to save their lives right now BUT let's talk how good they are. Same with Phil in INDY dump off city as well."

That was you in the thread that I originally was commenting on. So, no, I was not the one bringing up Ben not throwing deep. My point is that you're not using consistent logic.
When Big Ben doesn't throw deep and you're arguing with NC, you say it's because of the O-line and so Pitt is throwing quick all the time, making the O-line look better. When Jimmy does it, you've said it's because Kyle doesn't trust Jimmy to throw it deep. You can't have it both ways. You can't use the same data to argue both sides of this.

So, who are you conceding to, me or NC? Because your logic doesn't carry across both of the arguments you've tried to make here.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
On a funny aside, had we had Andrew Norwell (69.8 grade instead of Tomlinson) and Ryan Jensen, we win a Superbowl. You don't value G's and it was G's that cost us the Superbowl. And poor C play too. No QB can throw through a DL's free arms.

I get your stance on QB. We're just saying good luck with those expectations if everything else is the same.

Side note: I already admitted Norwell was the wrong move several times.

And we probably don't have enough cash to get Sanders/Sherm because of that big fat Norwell contract. His PFF grade isn't substantially better than Tomlinson at all. It's turned out to be a very bad contract dude. I wanted Jensen over Richburg, sucks because he was played very well until the injury.

At lot of things cost SF that SB...there's a nice long article with film pointing out all the dumb s**t Jimmy did (along with our receivers). I posted it in the SB thread a while back, I'm not digging through that to find it though lol.

I don't expect everything else to stay the same.

Good I'm glad we can admit that one lol

Good. Sherman cost us too.

I'm sure Spoon would have crushed it vs Sammy

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm sure Spoon would have crushed it vs Sammy

Jensen and Norwell would play both ways. Ryan would eat Tyreek Hill.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Haha. When you said it's good enough to win a Superbowl, that's exactly what you're saying. I'm not saying you haven't wanted to add more OL help, literally, every year. I've been with you on that. But you're perfectly fine with what we end up doing either way, even with get-by guys. It's just not of value to you. The standards aren't high and they certainly at the standards you now hold a QB too (to make up for that OL).

I've seen more conviction in one of your move-Garoppolo or rookie-QB posts than I've seen in 4 years combined on the OL topic. LOL

If you care about the (new) QB, you'll care about the OL with that same conviction.

This is a load of hyperbolic b******t and you know it, especially on the heels of last year
That is all lol

That was coming OFF the Superbowl in the off season.

I straight up asked all 3 of you if the FO had done enough to fix the pass protection to WIN it this time. You all said, yes, absolutely.

They swapped out Williams for Staley. That one move alone had some saying it was now instantly better. I asked, how can it be better when they simply swapped out one elite player for an elite player?

Added Compton in FA. Resigned Garland who now has experience. Usual hope for Richjured. Added Lenny McKravitz. Your boy Brunskill can play and start anywhere apparently. Skuleboy was back.

Hell, this line should be way better esp. given all the injuries they had last year? Only 1 injured position this year. It's not like losing your C and both T's.

Right?

Now...reality. The standards have suddenly changed down? OLexcuses? COVID, running game, play calling, no off season, now need a rookie QB, cardboard cutout fans fault, goal posts are slippery, Kaepernick diet for McGlinchey, etc.

So I'll ask again, what would have to actually happen where you actually hold the OL for blame on a loss? I've never seen it from you three. Ever.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Maybe I'm misreading "offensive line is blocking well enough to be a Top-10 unit...?"

How are you reading that bud?

Where in that quote is he saying they are a top 10 OL this year?

The stat he's throwing out is from this year. It's about our OL this year. That's the tweet.

And nowhere does he say they are a top 10 OL this year: that's my only point.

So you're parsing "blocking well enough to be" vs "they are a"? Those are some pretty fine lines my friend.

Those aren't fine lines GM, those are facts. Nowhere did he say they are a top 10 OL this year

Even though he actually ranks them in the tweet? (#7)

You know this is a 3 beers in conversation right?

But He didn't rank anybody, those are the stats that he is just repeating.
And yes I know lol