49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:
That was coming OFF the Superbowl in the off season.

I straight up asked all 3 of you if the FO had done enough to fix the pass protection to WIN it this time. You all said, yes, absolutely.

They swapped out Williams for Staley. That one move alone had some saying it was now instantly better. I asked, how can it be better when they simply swapped out one elite player for an elite player?

Added Compton in FA. Resigned Garland who now has experience. Usual hope for Richjured. Added Lenny McKravitz. Your boy Brunskill can play and start anywhere apparently. Skuleboy was back.

Hell, this line should be way better esp. given all the injuries they had last year? Only 1 injured position this year. It's not like losing your C and both T's.

Right?

Now...reality. The standards have suddenly changed down? OLexcuses? COVID, running game, play calling, no off season, now need a rookie QB, cardboard cutout fans fault, goal posts are slippery, Kaepernick diet for McGlinchey, etc.

So I'll ask again, what would have to actually happen where you actually hold the OL for blame on a loss? I've never seen it from you three. Ever.

So is the OL the primary reason the team is 5-8? Do you honestly believe that?

Is this team winning the SB with Wirfs here instead of Kinlaw?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Haha. When you said it's good enough to win a Superbowl, that's exactly what you're saying. I'm not saying you haven't wanted to add more OL help, literally, every year. I've been with you on that. But you're perfectly fine with what we end up doing either way, even with get-by guys. It's just not of value to you. The standards aren't high and they certainly at the standards you now hold a QB too (to make up for that OL).

I've seen more conviction in one of your move-Garoppolo or rookie-QB posts than I've seen in 4 years combined on the OL topic. LOL

If you care about the (new) QB, you'll care about the OL with that same conviction.

This is a load of hyperbolic b******t and you know it, especially on the heels of last year
That is all lol

That was coming OFF the Superbowl in the off season.

I straight up asked all 3 of you if the FO had done enough to fix the pass protection to WIN it this time.

They swapped out Williams for Staley. That one move alone had some saying it was now instantly better. I asked, how can it be better when they simply swapped out one elite player for an elite player?

Added Compton in FA. Resigned Garland who now has experience. Usual hope for Richjured. Added Lenny McKravitz. Your boy Brunskill can play and start anywhere apparently.

Hell, this line should be way better esp. given all the injuries they had last year? Only 1 injured position this year. It's not like losing your C and both T's.

Right?

Now...reality. The standards have suddenly changed down? OLexcuses? COVID, running game, play calling, no off season, now need a rookie QB, cardboard cutout fans fault, goal posts are slippery, Kaepernick diet for McGlinchey, etc.

So I'll ask again, what would have to actually happen where you actually hold the OL for blame on a loss. I've never seen it. Ever.

How are the standards changed down when you just acknowledged the bolded? Lol
I've never once given the OL a free pass, unlike you in other avenues, and I stand by what I said in the offseason. It's been a s**t year across the board. You on the other hand still refuse to even acknowledge they were a top unit across the board last year, so how can you be taken seriously . You straight up stopped posting QB hits and sacks last season and shifted to other metrics because it was no longer backing you. I thought you post everything ? Why stop posting QB hits and sacks? lol . Just keep pointing to that 4thQ and putting all the blame on OL and Saleh, your 2 favorite whipping boys. No one else though.
Btw I think it's pretty funny with the laundry list of excuses you have for Ruiz, Covid offseason and changing positions are your 2 top excuses. Classic

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
How are the standards changed down when you just acknowledged the bolded? Lol
I've never once given the OL a free pass, unlike you in other avenues, and I stand by what I said in the offseason. It's been a s**t year across the board. You on the other hand still refuse to even acknowledge they were a top unit across the board last year, so how can you be taken seriously . You straight up stopped posting QB hits and sacks last session and shifted to other metrics because it was no longer backing you. I thought you post everything ? Why stop posting QB hits and sacks? lol . Just keep pointing to that 4thQ and putting all the blame on OL and Saleh, your 2 favorite whipping boys. No one else though.
Btw I think it's pretty funny with the laundry list of excuses you have for Ruiz, Covid offseason and changing positions are your 2 top excuses. Classic

Somehow thinking the OL was good enough to win a SB with considering our healthy stacked team means we thought it was a top unit capable of making up for the rest of the team being decimated by injury.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Somehow thinking the OL was good enough to win a SB with considering our healthy stacked team means we thought it was a top unit capable of making up for the rest of the team being decimated by injury.

Lol. Its why these conversations always go sideways. Exaggerated takes always lead to disingenuous conversation

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Lol. Its why these conversations always go sideways. Exaggerated takes always lead to disingenuous conversation

If the argument would just be the 9ers should've invested more mid round picks in developmental players the last couple years i'd completely agree. I think that's been a mistake. Think it's also been a mistake to not do it in the secondary. I don't support everything the team does. But I try to understand their rationale and compare it to the rest of the NFL as a benchmark. I also try to objectively look at the other teams in the league and how their pass protection is. It's a problem across the entire NFL.

When it's a make believe world where every team good team is prioritizing O line year in and year out with high draft picks except us I take exception. The Packers have taken 2, count them 2, OL the last 9 drafts on day 1 or 2. 1 of the 2 ended up a complete bust who is likely out the league in a year. Yet they have the best pass blocking O line in the game. Bengals have used 2 of their last 3 top OL picks on Olineman and can't block anyone.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

It's been a s**t year across the board.

Respect. So what you're saying is they just weren't good enough this year (for whatever reasons).

But did anyone tell NY85?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

No one is saying that we have some elite OL, it's also not as horrible as fans think.

And so the back-and-forth continues.

It looks my injury theory are starting to take shape again. They held out pretty long too.

Originally posted by NCommand:

It looks my injury theory are starting to take shape again. They held out pretty long too.

What's worse than "dire"? 49ers interior OL situation is that. You come up with the word

-Compton IR, McKivitz Covid list so RG is a vacuum

-Brunskill/Grasu both missed practice, so C also a vacuum (Richburg/Garland both out)

-Atm it's Tony Bergstrom + 2 new practice squad OL

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) December 16, 2020

I should also add practice squad O-lineman Dakoda Shepley to that mix

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) December 16, 2020

I'm totally fine with it, embrace the tank!

Brunskill should be a tackle

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

It's been a s**t year across the board.

Respect. So what you're saying is they just weren't good enough this year (for whatever reasons).

But did anyone tell NY85?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

No one is saying that we have some elite OL, it's also not as horrible as fans think.

And so the back-and-forth continues.

I'll just say JD added clarity.

He usually does.

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Brunskill should be a tackle

A T they tried at G...then C. I ain't mad as long as he's the swing-OL going forward.

Because I post every side, here's a rabbit hole for NY85.


Mullens FTW.

Build an OL like you have one of the 5 oldest QB's in the NFL.

Bingo.

Oddly enough, not in the top 10.


But all you'd expect especially the Rams.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yes his "new" injury was his elbow ...he stated he dealt with shoulder issues for yrs and the yr off helped him recover as well. Dude's knees are shot as well.

You're the one that brought up Big Ben and if they don't want him to throw it deep, not me. I'm saying it's a bunch of things one being the OL and 2 he's not the same QB he was in the past. He's 38.

I'm saying throwing out a weekly QB hits stat is rubbish because it LACKS soooo much context that goes into every freaking NFL team on that list. Yes I understand the difference and you're reaching a little bit there. Does Josh Allen run a crap ton of under center PA? He's got the second highest TTT. Jackson is 3rd, wilson 4th, Ryan/Wentz/Lock tied for 5th. Don't act like we didn't run RPO out of shotgun either. We did.

The offense like you stated is a horizontal offense. He get's the ball out of his hand quickly...it's not a knock on anyone. When asked to push the ball downfield OVERALL he wasn't amazing at this. You disagree cool. I'm not gonna get into another Jimmy debate go argue with someone else about that. I've said my peace about him.

"BUT your QB hits stat said they weren't don't bad you used TTT & playcalling to try and push your narrative...where's that narrative now with INDY and Pitt? Big Ben is NOT pushing the ball downfield, 2.29 secs is ridiculous. There OL can't run block to save their lives right now BUT let's talk how good they are. Same with Phil in INDY dump off city as well."

That was you in the thread that I originally was commenting on. So, no, I was not the one bringing up Ben not throwing deep. My point is that you're not using consistent logic.
When Big Ben doesn't throw deep and you're arguing with NC, you say it's because of the O-line and so Pitt is throwing quick all the time, making the O-line look better. When Jimmy does it, you've said it's because Kyle doesn't trust Jimmy to throw it deep. You can't have it both ways. You can't use the same data to argue both sides of this.

So, who are you conceding to, me or NC? Because your logic doesn't carry across both of the arguments you've tried to make here.