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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:You guys complain about PFF but then post stuff like this.
Originally posted by NCommand:Not exactly a hard stat to count. PFF had theirs too and we were #1 by a landslide.
Like the sacks previously posted in correlation to the playoffs, this list also matches.
In a passing league, you gotta protect the QB or defend him or hit/pressure/sack him.
Not a difficult formula.
...and stay healthy too of course.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:QB hits has a lot to do with the QB as well as the OL. Unless you actually believe that Arizona has a super phenomenal OL and not just an ultra mobile QB that is difficult to sack.
On the other hand, Deshaun Watson has a tendency to hold on to the football forever in the hope of extending plays. Doing so also opens him up to a lot of hits that other QBs wouldn't incur.
The 49ers certainly can use upgrades, particularly at center but if you have QBs with terrible pocket presence, no amount of blocking will ever be enough and neither Mullens nor Beathard did the OL any favors there.
Originally posted by NCommand:Ah, the old, QB is responsible for his own pass protection, argument.
What were Kyler Murray's hits last year?
Obviously it's not a tell-all stat but there's certainly a solid correlation to making the playoffs and yes, that can be with all sorts of different QB styles.
Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:QB hits has a lot to do with the QB as well as the OL. Unless you actually believe that Arizona has a super phenomenal OL and not just an ultra mobile QB that is difficult to sack.
On the other hand, Deshaun Watson has a tendency to hold on to the football forever in the hope of extending plays. Doing so also opens him up to a lot of hits that other QBs wouldn't incur.
The 49ers certainly can use upgrades, particularly at center but if you have QBs with terrible pocket presence, no amount of blocking will ever be enough and neither Mullens nor Beathard did the OL any favors there.
Ah, the old, QB is responsible for his own pass protection, argument.
What were Kyler Murray's hits last year?
Obviously it's not a tell-all stat but there's certainly a solid correlation to making the playoffs and yes, that can be with all sorts of different QB styles.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Originally posted by NCommand:Ah, the old, QB is responsible for his own pass protection, argument.
What were Kyler Murray's hits last year?
Obviously it's not a tell-all stat but there's certainly a solid correlation to making the playoffs and yes, that can be with all sorts of different QB styles.
A QB is responsible for getting the ball out quickly. You could have 5 All Pros on a line and if the QB has a habit of holding the football too long or is just plain oblivious in the pocket, they're gonna take hits just because of that.
Originally posted by GEEK:
I think it's a combination of factors. When Shanahan brags about QBs being able to take a beating, I think he needs to rethink the approach. Unless you have a strong QB or someone mobile that can avoid some shots, you need to design more quick hits, screens, RB routes, etc.
It's play calls + QB presence + OL at play.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Ah, the old, QB is responsible for his own pass protection, argument.
What were Kyler Murray's hits last year?
Obviously it's not a tell-all stat but there's certainly a solid correlation to making the playoffs and yes, that can be with all sorts of different QB styles.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Originally posted by NCommand:Ah, the old, QB is responsible for his own pass protection, argument.
What were Kyler Murray's hits last year?
Obviously it's not a tell-all stat but there's certainly a solid correlation to making the playoffs and yes, that can be with all sorts of different QB styles.
A QB is responsible for getting the ball out quickly. You could have 5 All Pros on a line and if the QB has a habit of holding the football too long or is just plain oblivious in the pocket, they're gonna take hits just because of that.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:Originally posted by NCommand:Ah, the old, QB is responsible for his own pass protection, argument.
What were Kyler Murray's hits last year?
Obviously it's not a tell-all stat but there's certainly a solid correlation to making the playoffs and yes, that can be with all sorts of different QB styles.
Murray was sacked the most in the league last year (48). This year ir was 2, partly because he learned when to get rid of the ball instead of trying to do too much. So even a fast guy like Murray can get sacked if he isn't aware of where the rush is coming from and doesn't know when to throw it away.
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by GEEK:
I think it's a combination of factors. When Shanahan brags about QBs being able to take a beating, I think he needs to rethink the approach. Unless you have a strong QB or someone mobile that can avoid some shots, you need to design more quick hits, screens, RB routes, etc.
It's play calls + QB presence + OL at play.
Every QB is going to take a shot at some point, they are all going to get rocked, all things equal, do you want one that gets happy feet and panics, avoiding contact at the cost of missing out on a big play or a QB that will stand in there and fire off a pass knowing that they are about to get blasted?
I think that is Shanahan's entire focus on toughness, a QB that isn't going to be fazed by getting hit, will stand in, let it rip and then dust themselves off and get back up again, not that a QB should be able to take an endless amount of hits
But even you have to admit there a threshold. Even if the stat isn't pinpoint accurate, the more you're hit the worse. Or are we really arguing that the pass protection has been cool - especially if it corresponds somewhat with a lower PP performance grade.
Originally posted by stefano89:
yes there are still people who believe the pass pro has been fine. its completely ignorant, oblivious an naive. but that is the world we live in.
easily remedied by simply watching the games.
Originally posted by NCommand:Remember when Mike McGlinchey continued to get 83.0 overall grades even with 30-grades in pass protection?
Stick to Brandon Thorn's grades.
The 9 teams that allowed the least amount of sacks this season all made the playoffs. Sooo important to limit sacks, and it requires OL, QB and schematic answers to pressure all working together.
— Jon Ledyard (@LedyardNFLDraft) January 6, 2021
Hits matter.
Yep. Common fans blame the OL automatically when they see pressure. The new wave blames QBs. Nobody talks about the scheme. All are wrong lol. Sacks are a team stat
— Jon Ledyard (@LedyardNFLDraft) January 6, 2021
100%.
— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) January 6, 2021
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Originally posted by NCommand:I'm still trying to understand how PFF in week 16 can note we had 70 QB Hits (double digit higher than the next closest) still rank an OL unit as #9. This is the exact same concept as Mike McGlinchey's weight grade.
In a passing league, they seem to have a wildly skewed grading system towards run blocking.
And this.
Total QB Hits Allowed In 2020:
— Johnny Kinsley (THE BROWNS DID IT) (@Brickwallblitz) January 4, 2021
GB: 50
ARI: 53
CLE, IND: 58
LV: 60
BAL: 61
PIT: 69
NO: 72
BUF: 77
CAR: 78
LAR: 79
NE: 81
MIA: 82
TEN: 83
KC: 85
JAX, TB: 89
DET: 95
CHI: 99
DAL: 101
DEN: 103
HOU: 104
NYJ: 107
LAC: 110
ATL: 111
WAS: 114
NYG, SEA: 117
CIN, MIN: 121
SF: 122
PHI: 150
Un. Real.
You guys complain about PFF but then post stuff like this.
