49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Really? Why am I only remembering power and gap?

Maybe he adapted to the schemes at that time?

No idea. Tomsula* even brought him to run a zone scheme. I'll never forget the crazy number of zone runs they ran against Minnesota in the opener with Kap in 2015.

He's def a zone guy. Every run play in this game must have been outside zone.

Hmmm, thanks for that. Kind of moot now though given how diverse the running game is now but appreciate the education.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You never know. We saw several more athletic QB's get hurt again and this time in the playoffs. Then Rodgers, Brady and Brees behind stellar lines. Allen and Mayfield.

We could see two huge shifts in philosophy for a Shanahan both at type of QB and emphasis on pass protection.

I'm really not trying to give up before I see it on the field but Chilo Rachal and Adam Snyder are just reminders/examples of the Forester regime and things didn't get better until he left. Seems like only KS is looking for Foerster particularly in a league where OL play is down and everyone is looking for talent development.

PP just won't be a priority and even when it will be, Foerster isn't known for developing PP skills.

In Foerster's defense (and I am not a fan), Chilo Rachal and Adam Snyder were not good anywhere else. I am confident that if there's another year where Kyle's offense is held back by O-line performance, he will upgrade the coaching position.

That's just it bud. We were all screaming that neither was any good and should be benched, yet Foerster went on record to defend both when we were trying to develop Alex Smith.

As soon as Foerster left and Harbaugh brought Drevno, OL play became next level.

True, but who else did we have? Iupati and Davis were drafted in 2010. Who was he going to replace Rachal with in 2008/2009?

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Sorry NY, you're not going to change my mind on this. Of course I remember all of it. Now you all are trying to tell me none of it really happened and the near universal sigh of relief on this board when Foerster was let go and Tim Drevno came on was insane. I'm not imagining this. LOL. A coach goes away for a little bit after pushing that he could make players out of Chilo Rachal and Adam Snyder despite calls to bench both was palatable. I know people just want to forget it all and act like we collectively didn't write like a thousand posts on that stuff during that time, but that's on you.

And I absolutely 100% don't care that Trent Williams loves him, why? Trent Williams isn't signed and wants to "see what his value is". Walk into this with eyes wide open; we may not re-sign Williams so for me, today, this is a hope and a prayer. Players say all the time "this is my preferred place" and "I'm looking to go to a contender" until another team coughs up record-breaking money and then that player leaves. Is it possible this helps to resign him? We'll see.

As one of the more vocal persons to post against personnel and coaching moves under Nolan/Singletary and ultimately Foerster during the Baalke influence era (that's how we met), I'm crazy shocked to see you defending this move.

And quite honestly bud, outside of Williams there's not much on this OL.

I would never expect you to change you mind lol.

You're disregarding a man's 25-30 yrs as a OL coach and focusing on like 2 yrs in SF lol. Yrs where SF sucked all over the place and had no talent.

It's pretty much impossible to talk to you and NC regarding this topic.

I'll trust TW over you

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Legit fear...no quality talent ADDED and downgrade in OL coaching who specializes in power and gap.

Chris Foerster is a wide zone guy. He learned the system under Mike Shanahan.

I wonder if that's why he was so bad coaching power-gap, because he's really a wide zone guy? I have really no real belief he's better than Benton, that's for sure. Losing Benton's going to hurt, no doubt about it. It may be time for Mike Shanahan (if he hasn't done so already) to give some tips to the coaching staff on how to run the wide zone.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Sorry NY, you're not going to change my mind on this. Of course I remember all of it. Now you all are trying to tell me none of it really happened and the near universal sigh of relief on this board when Foerster was let go and Tim Drevno came on was insane. I'm not imagining this. LOL. A coach goes away for a little bit after pushing that he could make players out of Chilo Rachal and Adam Snyder despite calls to bench both was palatable. I know people just want to forget it all and act like we collectively didn't write like a thousand posts on that stuff during that time, but that's on you.

And I absolutely 100% don't care that Trent Williams loves him, why? Trent Williams isn't signed and wants to "see what his value is". Walk into this with eyes wide open; we may not re-sign Williams so for me, today, this is a hope and a prayer. Players say all the time "this is my preferred place" and "I'm looking to go to a contender" until another team coughs up record-breaking money and then that player leaves. Is it possible this helps to resign him? We'll see.

As one of the more vocal persons to post against personnel and coaching moves under Nolan/Singletary and ultimately Foerster during the Baalke influence era (that's how we met), I'm crazy shocked to see you defending this move.

And quite honestly bud, outside of Williams there's not much on this OL.

I would never expect you to change you mind lol.

You're disregarding a man's 25-30 yrs as a OL coach and focusing on like 2 yrs in SF lol. Yrs where SF sucked all over the place and had no talent.

It's pretty much impossible to talk to you and NC regarding this topic.

I'll trust TW over you

I have no idea how much he's grown since becoming sober and over the years. NinerGM has a legit and valid concern. He could be a disaster. That said, he's been here for a couple years now. Pound for pound, it's probably the most diverse rushing attack in the NFL not including a QB.

I wonder if he carries any weight like Kocurek did for Hyder and Kinlaw. Will the FO give him talent? I hope he's able to stand on a table and is given his Christmas gifts early every year like our DL coaches.

Otherwise, all his scheme and development won't mean much. The one thing Benton could do is get the depth ready to play esp. off the bench with low-end talent.

That'll be something to watch for in comparing the two OL coaches going forward. Maybe scheme...like Hero noted; much more outside zone? Less diversity?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Sorry NY, you're not going to change my mind on this. Of course I remember all of it. Now you all are trying to tell me none of it really happened and the near universal sigh of relief on this board when Foerster was let go and Tim Drevno came on was insane. I'm not imagining this. LOL. A coach goes away for a little bit after pushing that he could make players out of Chilo Rachal and Adam Snyder despite calls to bench both was palatable. I know people just want to forget it all and act like we collectively didn't write like a thousand posts on that stuff during that time, but that's on you.

And I absolutely 100% don't care that Trent Williams loves him, why? Trent Williams isn't signed and wants to "see what his value is". Walk into this with eyes wide open; we may not re-sign Williams so for me, today, this is a hope and a prayer. Players say all the time "this is my preferred place" and "I'm looking to go to a contender" until another team coughs up record-breaking money and then that player leaves. Is it possible this helps to resign him? We'll see.

As one of the more vocal persons to post against personnel and coaching moves under Nolan/Singletary and ultimately Foerster during the Baalke influence era (that's how we met), I'm crazy shocked to see you defending this move.

And quite honestly bud, outside of Williams there's not much on this OL.

I would never expect you to change you mind lol.

You're disregarding a man's 25-30 yrs as a OL coach and focusing on like 2 yrs in SF lol. Yrs where SF sucked all over the place and had no talent.

It's pretty much impossible to talk to you and NC regarding this topic.

I'll trust TW over you

I have no idea how much he's grown since becoming sober and over the years. NinerGM has a legit and valid concern. He could be a disaster. That said, he's been here for a couple years now. Pound for pound, it's probably the most diverse rushing attack in the NFL not including a QB.

I wonder if he carries any weight like Kocurek did for Hyder and Kinlaw. Will the FO give him talent? I hope he's able to stand on a table and is given his Christmas gifts early every year like our DL coaches.

Otherwise, all his scheme and development won't mean much. The one thing Benton could do is get the depth ready to play esp. off the bench.

That'll be something to watch for in comparing the two OL going forward. Maybe scheme...like Hero noted; much more outside zone? Less diversity?

Benton vs Foerster - Foerster definitely has more experience, but Benton may have more talent and ability. No indication in Foerster's career of an upward move up. Whereas Benton's been associated with our offense and some super bowl appearances. Re: Backups, I think the reason Benton's now a run game coordinator (or something like that) with Saleh is because he's much more talented than Foerster. Benton was able to take undrafted free agents and make them perform as credible NFL plug and play starters. Now his job is split between what looks like three people, Foerster, Yenster, and Slowik. I think Kyle may be preparing to jetzone Foerster once Yenser and Slowik get up to speed. Yenser and Slowik look around thirty-ish and Kyle may be trying to keep the age of his coach's down once he gets rid of Foerster.

Great moment of supreme run blocking vs. Elite QB's with poor pass protection.


Things have changed one year later.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Great moment of supreme run blocking vs. Elite QB's with poor pass protection.

What a steamrolling on both sides. That O-line just caved in on Rodgers https://t.co/mPJhSchJ0w

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) January 19, 2021

Things have changed one year later.

Yeah. I didn't know the loss of Bosa would affect the offensive line play so drastically.

Is Foerster going to do a couple of lines in celebration?

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Is Foerster going to do a couple of lines in celebration?

Hopefully he does the samba line vs the lines you are thinking of. I mean we don't need a Reuben Foerster on the coaching staff, that's for sure. Personally, I am looking forward to seeing his two understudies, Slowik and Yenser move up to OLine coach and maybe let Foerster go when he starts doing any kind of lines that would attract unwanted attention.

You guys really want to base your opinion of this dude based off of what he did with these guys? lol

LG - David Bass ('08-'09), Alex Boone ('15)
C - Eric Heitmann ('08-'09), Marcus Martin ('15)
RG - Tony Wragge ('08), Chilo Rachal ('09), Jordan Devey ('15)
RT - Barry Sims ('08), Adam Snyder ('09), Erik Pears ('15)

Originally posted by Giedi:

Benton vs Foerster - Foerster definitely has more experience, but Benton may have more talent and ability. No indication in Foerster's career of an upward move up. Whereas Benton's been associated with our offense and some super bowl appearances. Re: Backups, I think the reason Benton's now a run game coordinator (or something like that) with Saleh is because he's much more talented than Foerster. Benton was able to take undrafted free agents and make them perform as credible NFL plug and play starters. Now his job is split between what looks like three people, Foerster, Yenster, and Slowik. I think Kyle may be preparing to jetzone Foerster once Yenser and Slowik get up to speed. Yenser and Slowik look around thirty-ish and Kyle may be trying to keep the age of his coach's down once he gets rid of Foerster.

Both Benton and Forester have been around kyle forever. I think he has a pulse on both of their abilities as a coach. We're just going to have to trust kyle on this.

As far as Benton getting labeled running game coordinator. I don't think that's an indication of more talent between the two oline coaches. If we're splitting hairs on that Forester has been an Offensive coordinator in the league and before Forester was added to the coaching staff Kyle was using him as a game planning assistant. He had him scouting ahead of time on upcoming opponents and giving a report to the team of what he saw.

I think Benton getting running game coordinator added was a matter of he's taught this style blocking forever in the league, knows the offense that Lafleur is implementing in New York and saw this as a promotion of sorts. The running game here has run through Kyle and Mcdaniel. Now Benton will have a bigger say in game planning. I think it has more to do with all of that imo.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

You guys really want to base your opinion of this dude based off of what he did with these guys? lol

LG - David Bass ('08-'09), Alex Boone ('15)
C - Eric Heitmann ('08-'09), Marcus Martin ('15)
RG - Tony Wragge ('08), Chilo Rachal ('09), Jordan Devey ('15)
RT - Barry Sims ('08), Adam Snyder ('09), Erik Pears ('15)

Yes, because context doesn't matter to most in NT. They take rankings for what they are and run with that without any consideration for other factors. That's one of the worst groups we've ever had and no surprise they sucked elsewhere and/or are not in the NFL anymore.

Like I posted earlier, Foerster has had five of his units rank at least top 10. When his lines have been bad it's had more to do with talent than coaching. We have mostly middling talent on our OL right now outside of Trent, that's probably where we'll rank if we don't upgrade the OL this off-season.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
NY when did you absolutely dunk yourself into the kool-aid man? Are you asking me to disregard the two stints he spent here? Just erase 3 seasons, all the conversations, analysis, posts and just be like "okay, that can't possibly happen a third time."

You're not giving me a logical reason to completely throw out personal lived experience other than bylines I would read from ESPN like "you're disregarding a man's 25 - 30yrs" - actually I'm not because in that time we all have seen him coach here 3x in in that span.

It's not impossible talking to us on this topic, you just need to have better answers other than "just forget about the past, it's a new day, here just wear my glasses" LOL.



Hey someone get Baalke on the phone!

He was CO-OL coach in 2008 and our OL coach in 2009. He was the OL coach in 2015...I know just a ton of time to turn things around lol. Yes he was working with such great personnel. Sure disregard all the other quality OLs he was part of just because...I mean our OL was just amazing both times before he came here

Like I said it's hard to have a convo with you because you've gone full blown conspiracy mode....every single negative thing in here is OL related to you

It just seems like there can't be tons of variables that lead to a successful offense with you and NC. I'm all for improving the OL. I do believe in drafting certain position at certain spots based on impact of position and talent. That's where we differ.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

You guys really want to base your opinion of this dude based off of what he did with these guys? lol

LG - David Bass ('08-'09), Alex Boone ('15)
C - Eric Heitmann ('08-'09), Marcus Martin ('15)
RG - Tony Wragge ('08), Chilo Rachal ('09), Jordan Devey ('15)
RT - Barry Sims ('08), Adam Snyder ('09), Erik Pears ('15)

Yes, because context doesn't matter to most in NT. They take rankings for what they are and run with that without any consideration for other factors. That's one of the worst groups we've ever had and no surprise they sucked elsewhere and/or are not in the NFL anymore.

Like I posted earlier, Foerster has had five of his units rank at least top 10. When his lines have been bad it's had more to do with talent than coaching. We have mostly middling talent on our OL right now outside of Trent, that's probably where we'll rank if we don't upgrade the OL this off-season.

...he calls hookers and tells them he loves them?