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Originally posted by NinerGM:
Here's how you fix the OL:

Re-sign Trent Williams
Sign Alex Mack via FA (Center). I know he's 35 but maybe we get 2 - 3 quality seasons from him. Draft a future prospect 4th/5th round.
Have (re-sign) Garland play RG, a position he played well off the bench while with the Falcons.
Brunkskill competes for RT with McGlinchey and is the first swing tackle off the bench.

Poof - there's your championship OL for 2021.

Get better play at QB. Draft is now open for CB, EDGE, WR, RB, OL.

Typing out loud.

Cut Richburg. Resign Trent Williams. Sign Corey Linsley. Trade Mike McGlinchey (we can't afford two high priced T's going forward - the Trent Brown treatment). Draft a top G and T and Brunskill competes at RT.

PS: 5% chance Corey Linsley even gets to FA so your Mack and top draft pick at C is a great plan B.
[ Edited by NCommand on Jan 26, 2021 at 3:20 PM ]
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by NCommand:
This one's for NY.

Let's see how it goes.


How much can a mobile QB make up for a talent deficiency?

I disagree that it was mobile QB. Instead, I would change the statement to "How much can a great QB make up for a talent deficiency".

I believe a great QB, mobile or not mobile, can help hide the deficiency of the pass protection.

How much though? That's the question. As we saw with our own, less than 5.7% was attributed to the QB (1.2% for Garoppolo). I think fans have this idea mobility is going to help an exponential amount. I think the "degree" fans picture in their heads isn't reality becaus eof off schedule highlight throws.

And still, here we are in the Superbowl with 2 pocket passers. Mahomes is only a 200 yard season runner. 54 yards is the most he's had rushing in a game. He, like Brady, Rodgers and Allen do have excellent pocket feel. That certainly is helpful.

But behind an OL failing in PP? All of these QB's struggle and many like Russell Wilson are constantly bounced.
I think strengthening that center position is key to the interior pass protections. From calling pass protections correctly to being strong enough to go one-on-one with the Aaron Donald's and Chris Jones's of the world, now you can slide the protections one way or another and still maintain interior pass protection integrity. Walsh always had good OLines and maybe one reason is he always had good centers.
Sign Corey Linsley would solve a lot of problems
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Typing out loud.

Cut Richburg. Resign Trent Williams. Sign Corey Linsley. Trade Mike McGlinchey (we can't afford two high priced T's going forward - the Trent Brown treatment). Draft a top G and T and Brunskill competes at RT.

PS: 5% chance Corey Linsley even gets to FA so your Mack and top draft pick at C is a great plan B.

LOL! Ambitious!

Corey will be a much tougher sign than Mack and can't see the Pack letting him walk without a bidding war, but who knows!

If we're going for "win now, win cheap-ish" we go after Mack. I don't know if you get good trade value for Mike on a down year and I'd be willing to let him prove he can beat out Brunskill, look better, maybe sing and trade picking up his 5th year option if he's not significantly better than Brunskill.

Plan C: In our attempt to trade for Stafford, we acquire another player if we package picks: Frank Ragnow. .01% chance of that happening.

Haha. Go big or go home, whether it's Garoppolo or Stafford, we're going to need that added protection up front.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Haha. Go big or go home, whether it's Garoppolo or Stafford, we're going to need that added protection up front.

Linsley was a fifth round pick. Maybe we get lucky with one of our three 5th round picks in 2021?
I have this strong impression Brady is going to show Mahomes a thing or two. Maybe it's keeping the Bucs offense on the field longer. Maybe it's using the 20 plus years experience Brady has stored away. As a die-hard Joe Cool fan maybe it's showing the world he is the GOAT. if he does..........he is.
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Originally posted by RishikeshA:
I have this strong impression Brady is going to show Mahomes a thing or two. Maybe it's keeping the Bucs offense on the field longer. Maybe it's using the 20 plus years experience Brady has stored away. As a die-hard Joe Cool fan maybe it's showing the world he is the GOAT. if he does..........he is.

Pretty much agree. Its pretty impressive for him to be that old and still performing at a top level *and* on another NFL team away from Bellicheat.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Linsley was a fifth round pick. Maybe we get lucky with one of our three 5th round picks in 2021?

If you look around the league, there are a lot of really good interior OL that were drafted on day 3. Some of the guys take a a long time to develop. Unfortunately, most teams don't have the system(ie scheme stability, coaching ability) in place or patience to properly develop the ones that can be developed.
[ Edited by Heroism on Jan 26, 2021 at 5:52 PM ]
Originally posted by Giedi:
Pretty much agree. Its pretty impressive for him to be that old and still performing at a top level *and* on another NFL team away from Bellicheat.

I'm really rooting for Brady. I keep thinking of this clip from America's Game when Keena Turner discusses Dan Marino. He says if any QB takes lots of hits they become ordinary quickly. The Bucs have the edge rushers to cause havoc.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by NCommand:
This one's for NY.

Let's see how it goes.


How much can a mobile QB make up for a talent deficiency?

I disagree that it was mobile QB. Instead, I would change the statement to "How much can a great QB make up for a talent deficiency".

I believe a great QB, mobile or not mobile, can help hide the deficiency of the pass protection.

How much though? That's the question. As we saw with our own, less than 5.7% was attributed to the QB (1.2% for Garoppolo). I think fans have this idea mobility is going to help an exponential amount. I think the "degree" fans picture in their heads isn't reality becaus eof off schedule highlight throws.

And still, here we are in the Superbowl with 2 pocket passers. Mahomes is only a 200 yard season runner. 54 yards is the most he's had rushing in a game. He, like Brady, Rodgers and Allen do have excellent pocket feel. That certainly is helpful.

But behind an OL failing in PP? All of these QB's struggle and many like Russell Wilson are constantly bounced.

People think we get to "keep" everything Jimmy does and add the element of running by drafting a mobile. That's not how this works.
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Typing out loud.

Cut Richburg. Resign Trent Williams. Sign Corey Linsley. Trade Mike McGlinchey (we can't afford two high priced T's going forward - the Trent Brown treatment). Draft a top G and T and Brunskill competes at RT.

PS: 5% chance Corey Linsley even gets to FA so your Mack and top draft pick at C is a great plan B.

LOL! Ambitious!

Corey will be a much tougher sign than Mack and can't see the Pack letting him walk without a bidding war, but who knows!

If we're going for "win now, win cheap-ish" we go after Mack. I don't know if you get good trade value for Mike on a down year and I'd be willing to let him prove he can beat out Brunskill, look better, maybe sing and trade picking up his 5th year option if he's not significantly better than Brunskill.

Plan C: In our attempt to trade for Stafford, we acquire another player if we package picks: Frank Ragnow. .01% chance of that happening.

Can't support trading MM. As much as he regressed, he should have an opportunity to bounce back. The Brunkskll/MM battle for RT would be great. Draft a C of the future to groom behind Mack along with Slater in the first. Down for resigning Garland as well. The team would have starters and adequate depth. And I think they could really let Deebo and Aiyuk run loose for some deeper shots off playaction and longer passes in general.
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Linsley was a fifth round pick. Maybe we get lucky with one of our three 5th round picks in 2021?

If you look around the league, there are a lot of really good interior OL that were drafted on day 3. Some of the guys take a a long time to develop. Unfortunately, most teams don't have the system(ie scheme stability, coaching ability) in place or patience to properly develop the ones that can be developed.

This is the key point.

Go with the 3 prong approach like they did with LCB. Talented aging/breaking down veteran, higher draft capital and later round flier and see who rises to the top over the years. It went from Witherspoon to Moseley to Verrett.

You don't want to put yourself in position where you're actually relying on guys like Skule, Brunskill and McKivitz or you end up in the s**tstorm of pass protection we've had esp. in our system which seems to eat through OL like no other.
[ Edited by NCommand on Jan 27, 2021 at 5:36 AM ]
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Typing out loud.

Cut Richburg. Resign Trent Williams. Sign Corey Linsley. Trade Mike McGlinchey (we can't afford two high priced T's going forward - the Trent Brown treatment). Draft a top G and T and Brunskill competes at RT.

PS: 5% chance Corey Linsley even gets to FA so your Mack and top draft pick at C is a great plan B.

LOL! Ambitious!

Corey will be a much tougher sign than Mack and can't see the Pack letting him walk without a bidding war, but who knows!

If we're going for "win now, win cheap-ish" we go after Mack. I don't know if you get good trade value for Mike on a down year and I'd be willing to let him prove he can beat out Brunskill, look better, maybe sing and trade picking up his 5th year option if he's not significantly better than Brunskill.

Plan C: In our attempt to trade for Stafford, we acquire another player if we package picks: Frank Ragnow. .01% chance of that happening.

Can't support trading MM. As much as he regressed, he should have an opportunity to bounce back. The Brunkskll/MM battle for RT would be great. Draft a C of the future to groom behind Mack along with Slater in the first. Down for resigning Garland as well. The team would have starters and adequate depth. And I think they could really let Deebo and Aiyuk run loose for some deeper shots off playaction and longer passes in general.

It's not about him bouncing back; it's getting value for him now before you have to pay him next year ALONG with Trent Williams pushing $20M especially if you can get a legit C in FA like Corey Linsley --- The Trenton Brown moneyball approach.

We simply can't afford two highly paid T's and a top paid C. C is much more important than RT in this system.
[ Edited by NCommand on Jan 27, 2021 at 6:22 AM ]
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Originally posted by RishikeshA:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Pretty much agree. Its pretty impressive for him to be that old and still performing at a top level *and* on another NFL team away from Bellicheat.

I'm really rooting for Brady. I keep thinking of this clip from America's Game when Keena Turner discusses Dan Marino. He says if any QB takes lots of hits they become ordinary quickly. The Bucs have the edge rushers to cause havoc.

Hopefully they factor in the refs the way Kyle failed to do in '19. In other words, there's going to be plenty of holding on the KC side that isn't going to get called unfortunately. Those pass rushers still have to beat their guy *anyway.*
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Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
People think we get to "keep" everything Jimmy does and add the element of running by drafting a mobile. That's not how this works.
Agree.
Mobility helps in 3rd and short situations, which is a critical down. Having said that, Kyle's system favors (or needs) a pocket QB. Or said in another way - Kyle needs a QB that can throw accurately vs being able to run like the wind and truck people like Earl Campbell. Kyle has the running scheme to gain lots of yards on the ground and control the clock, and for his ground game to work and control the clock, he needs a QB that can pass vs a QB that's just another running back.
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