49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Bottom line, that game was won in the trenches. If we can't recognize that we need to seriously upgrade the OL and continue to stock the DL, we're absolute fools. Period.

The Bucs had a top-5...

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this time last yr the issue in TB was the OL and QB. The only difference in the OL was Wirfs from 2019 (who did play great his rookie yr) They actually lost their starting RG for a good amount of time this yr.

Last yr Winston was the 5th highest sacked QB in football. No doubt the OL was good this yr, the QB made it a f**k ton better. They added a TE that is an amazing blocking TE. They have the best receiving corp in football. that stat above shows they just have an overall amazing team JUST needed a good QB.

Basically a new offensive coordinator in brady also

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Bottom line, that game was won in the trenches. If we can't recognize that we need to seriously upgrade the OL and continue to stock the DL, we're absolute fools. Period.

If you can't see it now, you never will.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree, and good coaching on the other side, and I dont mean Arians either. Fat Andy got lucky in 2019, when he faced an inexperienced Kyle and Jimmy. This year he faced Coach Brady, I think Brady could be one hell of a coach if he ever decided to retire from playing.

I wouldn't say Reid got lucky with Kyle, the play calls were there...our guys didn't execute them end of the day. Jimmy was god awful in the 4th QR (like worst in NFL history bad) plus Mahomes just made an incredible play to get that 3rd down. Not many QBs could have done that.

SF had the better team and even with all those f**k up, still had a great chance to win. Sucks but I believe in the HC and GM to make it right. Doesn't have to be SB or bust next yr for me. Just get some important things figured out (or have a plan) like the QB position.

This is such a horrible take. The plays weren't there. Shanahan choked. He stopped running the ball. The offensive line disappeared. There were TWO bad plays from jimmy in the 4th. This narrative that jimmy sucked in the 4th needs to stop. Watch it again.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Alfienator:
NC preaches the importance of the oline. It's funny seeing how these posters defend mahomes because a bad oline, but rag on Jimmy and it's not because of the oline. Bunch of tony romos in here.

I can't speak for the rest of the Mahomes defenders BUT there's a ton of substance to that game last night that get's left out. Mahomes ability to move is the ONLY thing that gave them a chance. He had multiple balls dropped two of which would have been TDs. His coach didn't give those backup OTs any help. 5 man protection calls all night. How can you do that? Kelce is who we thought a great big slot TE, he's not an inline blocker. He's not chipping JPP or Shaq. I saw the rookie RB miss multiple chips and blitz pickups (in the beginning).

We all know the OL is important...it's not like KC didn't have two top end OTs (they got hurt) Not sure what people are expecting there ...that they should have TWO other stud OTs behind them lol? NC also said DTs are a dime a dozen, yet Suh and Vita via were destroying up the middle....Bowles took away PM's first read and knew they weren't helping in protection, so just ran 4 man pressures and played C2 the rest of the game. Bad coaching in KC last night.

The OL was atrocious last night. Mahomes was bad and confused all night. Both of those things happened.

In the Jimmy thread, sentence 1 would have justified sentence 2 to the point where people wouldn't believe sentence 2.

Mahomes wasn't as bad as his OL was, and was the only reason they had even a sliver of a chance. But he was still bad.

Originally posted by Alfienator:
NC preaches the importance of the oline. It's funny seeing how these posters defend mahomes because a bad oline, but rag on Jimmy and it's not because of the oline. Bunch of tony romos in here.

Yup. Mahomes would look like that every Sunday behind our pass protection. We would have ruined him. I guess a "transcendent QB" can't overcompensate for poor pass protection. Odd. Especially with all the examples of transcendent QB's getting smoked in Superbowls from Brady himself to Mahomes (whispers Garoppolo too).

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yup. Mahomes would look like that every Sunday behind our pass protection. We would have ruined him. I guess a "transcendent QB" can't overcompensate for poor pass protection. Odd. Especially with all this examples of transcendent QB's getting smoked in Superbowls from Brady himself to Mahomes.

That wasn't poor pass protection. It was no pass protection. The Niners line played way better than the KC line did yesterday. I heard they used 5 guys 92% of the time instead of keeping a back or tight end in there for help. That's on the coaches. Jimmy has to be thankful he wasn't in there. He might have been knocked out for a year.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Bottom line, that game was won in the trenches. If we can't recognize that we need to seriously upgrade the OL and continue to stock the DL, we're absolute fools. Period.

100% agree - clear as day.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I agree about the QB position upgrade. I love Jimmy. I think he can get us to the super bowl and I think he can win us a super bowl. But when you have a guy that is missing that many games, you have to invest in the QB position in a year when there is a great crop of QBs comming out and you have the 12th pick. When Montana had his back injury after (I think) the Jim Burt hit, Walsh traded for a guy named Steve, even though he had Montana. I think the situation is similar and warrants a high pick in the draft for a QB.

If they sign Josh though, that may signal that they may not go QB high this years draft though.

I know you love Jimmy, I don't think he can get us back to a Super Bowl let alone win it however. Not with a watered down roster. He's gone backwards IMO.

Josh has absolutely no baring on what they do at the QB position in the draft/via trade. He cost like $700K and isn't guaranteed a roster spot, let alone us thinking he's the future. He's hanging on to his NFL career by a thread right now.

Move up go get your guy, build around him with proven guys. We all want the Super Bowl in 2021 BUT I'll be realistic and be content with a 9+ win season and a trip to the playoffs (where anything can happen) as long as I know we have our guy at QB for the foreseeable future. Kyle and Lynch have said the goal is to have a long-term successful franchise. First step is getting the QB.

Disagree. We aren't that far from 2019 talent wise and *can* make a superbowl run next year if ShanaLynch draft average to good, and get back healthy some key players.

Disagree on Jimmy too. Closest QB to Tom right now that aren't a million years old is Jimmy. It just sucks he hasn't been able to stay healthy.

Disagree on Josh too. I think pocket QBs can win super bowls, not just the mobile armed rocket launchers you like so much.

Other than that, we agree on everything else.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
This doesn't matter though bud. At some point a HC has to make a decision between altering his offense so much that the team run plays they're either not good at executing or can't run because they're not build to run that style. There's only so much you can cover with scheme.

That may be true. Maybe they don't have the players to put back there but they didn't even try. It was clear that TB was eating their lunch in the trenches the entire game.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yup. Mahomes would look like that every Sunday behind our pass protection. We would have ruined him. I guess a "transcendent QB" can't overcompensate for poor pass protection. Odd. Especially with all the examples of transcendent QB's getting smoked in Superbowls from Brady himself to Mahomes (whispers Garoppolo too).

KC got a taste of what happens when you have to shift everyone because of injuries. Turns out NO ONE in the league has the depth to overcome that, which was one of the major points being made in this thread.

9ers are 13-3 with Mahomes at the helm even with this O line. Again PFF had this line in the top 10, not because it's great, but because NO ONE has any pass protection consistency throughout the NFL except for a few teams. And even those teams have no depth as exhibited on Sunday. But as NY stated a better qb can instantly transform pass protection as the Brady stat evidenced. Not to say they shouldn't draft lineman this year because they absolutely should. This is the year to get the day 2 prospects.

I'm sure after the game yesterday everyone understands that you can have the most transcendent qb in history, you still need a good oline to succeed.

Lynch gotta prioritize above anything else.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Hey man how are you. Long time! This was never a depth argument - like at all.

Maybe not on your end but it absolutely was with NC. Kept praising Saints when I kept pointing out yah they have 5 top guys and zero depth. KC clearly showed the same boat.

Course who would've thought MIke Remmers couldn't play tackle

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yup. Mahomes would look like that every Sunday behind our pass protection. We would have ruined him. I guess a "transcendent QB" can't overcompensate for poor pass protection. Odd. Especially with all the examples of transcendent QB's getting smoked in Superbowls from Brady himself to Mahomes (whispers Garoppolo too).

KC got a taste of what happens when you have to shift everyone because of injuries. Turns out NO ONE in the league has the depth to overcome that, which was one of the major points being made in this thread.

9ers are 13-3 with Mahomes at the helm even with this O line. Again PFF had this line in the top 10, not because it's great, but because NO ONE has any pass protection consistency throughout the NFL except for a few teams. And even those teams have no depth as exhibited on Sunday. But as NY stated a better qb can instantly transform pass protection as the Brady stat evidenced. Not to say they shouldn't draft lineman this year because they absolutely should. This is the year to get the day 2 prospects.

I agree with Lombardi85 when he says why not upgrade *both* QB and OLine. I think they have the draft ammo to do both. Kyle has the RB position locked in. He has 3 fifth round picks and a high number 12 pick. On top of that, this years free agency is for teams with cap space, and we have a decent amount available (AB81 says so). First round QB 2nd round Edge rusher and 3rd round OLineman and with the lucky 5th rounder picks, choose three hall of fame players!

Originally posted by gold49digger:
I'm sure after the game yesterday everyone understands that you can have the most transcendent qb in history, you still need a good oline to succeed.

Lynch gotta prioritize above anything else.

I'm equally worried about the secondary. Brian Allen showed you can't be awful back there either.

Jimmy has to take a sizable cut so both O line and secondary can be addressed. Rooks just aren't gonna cut it starting outside of a handful of 1sts.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
I'm equally worried about the secondary. Brian Allen showed you can't be awful back there either.

Jimmy has to take a sizable cut so both O line and secondary can be addressed. Rooks just aren't gonna cut it starting outside of a handful of 1sts.

Brian Allen was a special kind of terrible. Hopefully Verrett can be brought back along with Moseley, then you draft some CB's to ensure that you don't have to go out and have to sign the Brian Allen's of the world. This draft has good quality depth at crucial positions for the 49ers including C and CB. They need to double dip at a few positions.

Rooks just aren't gonna cut it starting outside of a handful of 1sts.

Tampa had a rookie starting at safety last night and the rest were second year players. None of them had been a first round pick.