49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by Giedi:
I agree with Lombardi85 when he says why not upgrade *both* QB and OLine. I think they have the draft ammo to do both. Kyle has the RB position locked in. He has 3 fifth round picks and a high number 12 pick. On top of that, this years free agency is for teams with cap space, and we have a decent amount available (AB81 says so). First round QB 2nd round Edge rusher and 3rd round OLineman and with the lucky 5th rounder picks, choose three hall of fame players!

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Brian Allen was a special kind of terrible. This draft has good quality depth at crucial positions for the 49ers including C and CB. They need to double dip at a few positions.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
No that's not what's being said at all. The argument was that a top QB can make a s**t OL a winner. We saw even with arguably the top QB in the league it wasn't enough even with the top TE, one of the top WR groups, one of the top runners, etc.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
The OL was atrocious last night. Mahomes was bad and confused all night. Both of those things happened.

In the Jimmy thread, sentence 1 would have justified sentence 2 to the point where people wouldn't believe sentence 2.

Mahomes wasn't as bad as his OL was, and was the only reason they had even a sliver of a chance. But he was still bad.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
I'm equally worried about the secondary. Brian Allen showed you can't be awful back there either.

Jimmy has to take a sizable cut so both O line and secondary can be addressed. Rooks just aren't gonna cut it starting outside of a handful of 1sts.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
It's a decent amount but we need Jimmy to help out to really have the freedom to make the necessary moves. I have tons of faith in Paraag but the numbers are still the numbers.

Gonna be fascinating on what the actual cap number is. Will show a lot and indicate what kind of money guys can expect. I can see a LOT of 1-2 year deals. That's where the 9ers might need to strike.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
I'm sure after the game yesterday everyone understands that you can have the most transcendent qb in history, you still need a good oline to succeed.

Lynch gotta prioritize above anything else.

I'm equally worried about the secondary. Brian Allen showed you can't be awful back there either.

Jimmy has to take a sizable cut so both O line and secondary can be addressed. Rooks just aren't gonna cut it starting outside of a handful of 1sts.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Look at the video. The very first thing that pops out is the pressure and Baldy talks about that first. What's completely undeniable; pressure changes an offense and you can say that Reid f**ked up. I disagree. I say the Bucks pass-rush got to Mahomes. If you're going to deny that pressure changes QB play I don't know what else to say. We just disagree there.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yup. Mahomes would look like that every Sunday behind our pass protection. We would have ruined him. I guess a "transcendent QB" can't overcompensate for poor pass protection. Odd. Especially with all this examples of transcendent QB's getting smoked in Superbowls from Brady himself to Mahomes.

That wasn't poor pass protection. It was no pass protection. The Niners line played way better than the KC line did yesterday. I heard they used 5 guys 92% of the time instead of keeping a back or tight end in there for help. That's on the coaches. Jimmy has to be thankful he wasn't in there. He might have been knocked out for a year.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Alfienator:
NC preaches the importance of the oline. It's funny seeing how these posters defend mahomes because a bad oline, but rag on Jimmy and it's not because of the oline. Bunch of tony romos in here.

I can't speak for the rest of the Mahomes defenders BUT there's a ton of substance to that game last night that get's left out. Mahomes ability to move is the ONLY thing that gave them a chance. He had multiple balls dropped two of which would have been TDs. His coach didn't give those backup OTs any help. 5 man protection calls all night. How can you do that? Kelce is who we thought a great big slot TE, he's not an inline blocker. He's not chipping JPP or Shaq. I saw the rookie RB miss multiple chips and blitz pickups (in the beginning).

We all know the OL is important...it's not like KC didn't have two top end OTs (they got hurt) Not sure what people are expecting there ...that they should have TWO other stud OTs behind them lol? NC also said DTs are a dime a dozen, yet Suh and Vita via were destroying up the middle....Bowles took away PM's first read and knew they weren't helping in protection, so just ran 4 man pressures and played C2 the rest of the game. Bad coaching in KC last night.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I said RUN DEFENDING DT's are a dime a dozen. We drafted a RUN DEFENDING DT.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm sorry, what? That's EXACTLY what our PP is nearly every week. And because Mahomed is more mobile, Andy Reid rolled him out often away from the ER esp. early. He still got abused. This was easy to predict coming into the game.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm sorry, what? That's EXACTLY what our PP is nearly every week. And because Mahomed is more mobile, Andy Reid rolled him out often away from the ER esp. early. He still got abused. This was easy to predict coming into the game.

9ers had 29 pressures allowed per game?

Originally posted by jcs:
A lot of those pressures and hits came because Mahomes doesn't get the ball out on time and uses his legs to stretch plays and his arm to throw it from 30 yards behind the LOS.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by jcs:
A lot of those pressures and hits came because Mahomes doesn't get the ball out on time and uses his legs to stretch plays and his arm to throw it from 30 yards behind the LOS.

Not sure Nick was much better at seeing things and getting things out on time.