49ers Offensive Line

Slater is the one guy that i could see kyle being okay with in rd 1. Also, as Levin Black pointed out in editorial, Kyle does not have the talent at picking QBs that he does with RBs, TEs. Also , finally , it should come down to JL having the final say in picking a QB. And if we aren't getting a QB at #12, then get Slater. If he needs to go higher, move on up. That plus an OG/C in rd 3 would help our QB more than anything.

Is Mack a pipe dream or is that realistic? I think Mack plus bringing Williams back would solve a lot of the issues. Like I said, I dont know if all that is a pipe dream or not.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Is Mack a pipe dream or is that realistic? I think Mack plus bringing Williams back would solve a lot of the issues. Like I said, I dont know if all that is a pipe dream or not.

depends on Macks asking price. Mack def said he wants to play for Kyle

Williams
Tom
Mack
Slater
McG

Boom

Originally posted by NCommand:
You're splitting hairs among 4 top 14 T's. Bucs assessment on him was correct in the end. He's a tremendous player. Kinlaw's assessment was spot on so far. We'll see how things evolve over time like with Mike McGlinchey.

The end hasn't happened yet. It's one season. There's a reason 3 years should be given to analyze.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
But the point I'm making is that was the GOAL of the Bucs offense - to constantly make Mahomes move. I disagree with the notion that just because your QB can be mobile means he should be on almost every snap. Sure is it likely that every time a QB makes an incredible throw the WR will make a circus catch to change the game? Yes. You claim Shanahan wouldn't do that, yet he had been doing that. He may not ask a 5 man protection with back-ups every snap, but he will ask his back-ups to be on an island against starters often. This is precisely how we discovered Brunskill. I'm saying you can't brush off pressure as simply being "we know about it." You can adjust, but then again how much can an offense adjust to a point where they're not the same offense or asking players to play a style they're not used to or can execute well. I think Reid did what he could with the army he had and at game time, Tampa had a better squad.

Again with the hyperbole - I am not expecting teams to have "pro bowlers" on standby; we're not arguing how to fix the Chiefs OL - I personally don't care. The point is that you ** need ** lineman for an offense to work regardless of the QB. And I said before, Jimmy has played with back-up OL his entire tenure here in SF. Just because we call a lineman a "starter" does that make him one?

Sometimes starters need to be developed too. It can take growing pains. Tampa is a good example with a bunch of developed late round guys.

Brunskill and McKivitz are still unknowns on their exact potentials. Should obviously add competition for them but they also shouldn't be relegated to backup only either.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Slater is the one guy that i could see kyle being okay with in rd 1. Also, as Levin Black pointed out in editorial, Kyle does not have the talent at picking QBs that he does with RBs, TEs. Also , finally , it should come down to JL having the final say in picking a QB. And if we aren't getting a QB at #12, then get Slater. If he needs to go higher, move on up. That plus an OG/C in rd 3 would help our QB more than anything.

Levin Black dude has no clue if Kyle has the talent at picking a QB.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Is Mack a pipe dream or is that realistic? I think Mack plus bringing Williams back would solve a lot of the issues. Like I said, I dont know if all that is a pipe dream or not.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Is Mack a pipe dream or is that realistic? I think Mack plus bringing Williams back would solve a lot of the issues. Like I said, I dont know if all that is a pipe dream or not.

Free-agent center Alex Mack says the idea of joining the 49ers and reuniting with Kyle Shanahan is "enticing" (via @MaioccoNBCS) https://t.co/Jf0DwO0mst pic.twitter.com/9TPAYwRssV

— 49ers on NBCS (@NBCS49ers) February 6, 2021

I mean money wise.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
But the point I'm making is that was the GOAL of the Bucs offense - to constantly make Mahomes move. I disagree with the notion that just because your QB can be mobile means he should be on almost every snap. Sure is it likely that every time a QB makes an incredible throw the WR will make a circus catch to change the game? Yes. You claim Shanahan wouldn't do that, yet he had been doing that. He may not ask a 5 man protection with back-ups every snap, but he will ask his back-ups to be on an island against starters often. This is precisely how we discovered Brunskill. I'm saying you can't brush off pressure as simply being "we know about it." You can adjust, but then again how much can an offense adjust to a point where they're not the same offense or asking players to play a style they're not used to or can execute well. I think Reid did what he could with the army he had and at game time, Tampa had a better squad.

Again with the hyperbole - I am not expecting teams to have "pro bowlers" on standby; we're not arguing how to fix the Chiefs OL - I personally don't care. The point is that you ** need ** lineman for an offense to work regardless of the QB. And I said before, Jimmy has played with back-up OL his entire tenure here in SF. Just because we call a lineman a "starter" does that make him one?

He had to be mobile because he was down 3 starters and they were locking up his first read (Bowles stated this). He had no choice. It's not like Mahomes runs around all game, without question he plays within the pocket. I have no idea who's saying that he should be moving around every snap, So I have no idea who you're disagreeing with? Having the ability to extend plays matters. It helps a lot.

Shanahan was NOT running out 5 man protections, especially when we were down both starting OTs last yr. What do you think the 21 personnel is? they have multiple RBs on the field and a TE that can help in pass-pro. That is not what Reid did last night and it killed him. So NO Kyle didn't have his backups on an island, that's incorrect. Scheme helped everything as well. Reid or whomever is calling plays s**t the bed there as well.

WE ALL know you need OL to be successful. Just like you need good DL to battle them in the trenches. Yes it can be improved. I have no idea why you still debate me over this, I've said YES improve the OL. It does NOT need to be a top 10 pick to be an improvement though. OT/C are what matter more than anything. QB play MATTERS. Go look at Tampa this yr from last yr. That's PROOF right there.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Yet you posted that we should start Brunskill. Stop it you guys are hilarious.

Because he showed well last year. Never wanted him to start at center.

Hilarious was Mike Rimmers trying to play tackle.

Mahomes was under pressure on 52% of his drops which was a SB record. Only his ability to avoid the rush kept him from being sacked a record number of times. He's not really that fast. He just has a good sense of when and where to move. I think they only got called twice for offensive holding yesterday even with that pass rush. Poor Jimmy would have been killed with that pressure but he might have gotten less since the Niners can run the ball . KC barely ran at all except a little at the start of the 3rd. That allowed TB to stay in that deep cover 2 and nullify the deep threat.

As you can see from my pre Superbowl takes, this was all pretty easy to see coming.

What matters now is ShanaLynch see it. If Lynch was that enamored with Mahomes, he just saw him get that SF-QB treatment. That HAS to remind him that this passing league has to play counter to the very DL he's been trying to build here and as a S, it's the same effect a great pass rush can have on elevating a SS to the HOF...protect the QB and let's see what happens...put ourselves in position to fully evaluate him.

I think they stay pat and run it back again with Jimmy and I hope this time, there's far more talent and depth up front this time around. I do expect a rookie QB too though. Same concept.

This is the deep draft to do it too.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Folks blaming the coaching with the Chiefs, but still Jimmy was to blame a poor blocking in the 4th. How the narrative changed once we're removed from the actual event. Seems like when I read articles written closer to last year's loss at the SB, it reads very much what people are saying about Reid and the blocking vs Jimmy's performance...

Through 3.5 quarters of Super Bowl 54, the 49ers led the Chiefs, 20-10. Garoppolo's numbers looked like this:

22 passes

18 completions

195 yards

8.9 yards per pass

1 touchdown

1 interception

a 99.8 passer rating

Those are Super Bowl MVP numbers! But he was also buoyed by rushing game that had run for 109 yards on only 17 touches. Shanahan, as he is wont to do in the Super Bowl with a lead, turned away from the run. The Niners ran the ball just five times in the fourth quarter, one of which was a Garoppolo scramble on third-and-long. That made sense when San Francisco was working on a comeback in the final three minutes, but not as much in the 12 minutes that preceded it.

This focused the spotlight on Garoppolo, who couldn't withstand the pressure. His final four drives, all in the fourth quarter, ended with a punt, punt, turnover on downs, and an interception. He completed only two of his final nine passes as the Chiefs crashed through his line and forced him to step up and attempt throws in the face of newfound pressure:



That push up front messed with Garoppolo's timing, forced him into bad throws, and effectively scrambled his circuits. He suddenly couldn't hit targets downfield. His passes got swallowed up at the line of scrimmage as Kansas City blew through play-action fakes that didn't fool anyone.

Per Pro Football Focus's Eric Eager, Garoppolo completed just one of his nine passes when the Chiefs brought pressure. Kansas City turned the opportunity created by the Niners' stagnant offense into back-to-back touchdowns and a lead with less than three minutes to play.

That left Garoppolo to attempt a game-winning drive in the Super Bowl — and after guiding San Francisco to its own 49-yard line, he threw the one pass he'll most want back from Sunday night:

3rd and 10 - game on the line, wide open WR for the score and this happens - What is Jimmy Garoppolo's future ? #SFvsKC #49ers #GoNiners #Chiefs #ChiefsKingdom #SuperBowl #NFL #NFL100 #SportsTalkLine pic.twitter.com/UydkwOMDg5

— Steven Van Over (@StevenVanOver) February 3, 2020
Garoppolo made the right risk on third-and-10 to target an open Emmanuel Sanders deep downfield. He just threw the wrong pass. One play later, the Chiefs' pass rush would envelop him up on fourth down for what was effectively a game-clinching sack. He'd try one more deep pass on the night. It was intercepted in what turned out to be the Niners' last offensive snap of the 2019 season.

This doesn't have to be Garoppolo's legacy (but it might be)When the pressure was dialed up to max, from both a Super Bowl and pass rush standpoint, Garoppolo faded. He couldn't see through the fog of the Chiefs' onslaught, and that doomed Shanahan's pass-heavy approach to the fourth quarter. While San Francisco couldn't afford to let off the gas against Kansas City, Steve Spagnuolo's blitz-heavy defense meant the 49ers couldn't effectively pass, either.

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2020/2/3/21119610/jimmy-garoppolo-49ers-super-bowl-2020-chiefs

Wow that last line reads like 50 tweets I've read since yesterday. And to the earlier bolded, who says a back-up center can't cost you a game especially if it's the wrong protection call in this offense?

Worst 4th QB rating in SB history. Missed reads all game.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He had to be mobile because he was down 3 starters and they were locking up his first read (Bowles stated this). He had no choice. It's not like Mahomes runs around all game, without question he plays within the pocket. I have no idea who's saying that he should be moving around every snap, So I have no idea who you're disagreeing with? Having the ability to extend plays matters. It helps a lot.

Shanahan was NOT running out 5 man protections, especially when we were down both starting OTs last yr. What do you think the 21 personnel is? they have multiple RBs on the field and a TE that can help in pass-pro. That is not what Reid did last night and it killed him. So NO Kyle didn't have his backups on an island, that's incorrect. Scheme helped everything as well. Reid or whomever is calling plays s**t the bed there as well.

WE ALL know you need OL to be successful. Just like you need good DL to battle them in the trenches. Yes it can be improved. I have no idea why you still debate me over this, I've said YES improve the OL. It does NOT need to be a top 10 pick to be an improvement though. OT/C are what matter more than anything. QB play MATTERS. Go look at Tampa this yr from last yr. That's PROOF right there.

It's like everything I say goes through a A/B test and if it's A is 100% A or if it's B its 100% B.....

Shanahan was NOT running out 5 man protections, especially when we were down both starting OTs last yr. What do you think the 21 personnel is? What do you think the 21 personnel is? they have multiple RBs on the field and a TE that can help in pass-pro. That is not what Reid did last night and it killed him. So NO Kyle didn't have his backups on an island, that's incorrect. Scheme helped everything as well. Reid or whomever is calling plays s**t the bed there as well.

I never said that Shanahan runs 5 man protections 100% of the time always out of 21 personnel. I did say that he did run 5-man protections sometimes even with back-ups. Yes, yes he did. You can have people running receiving patterns with 5 blockers with 21 personnel. Are you arguing you can't run pass pattern out of 21 personnel? Again, NY you always argue in hyperbole man - why is everything so absolute. "No" Kyle "NEVER" runs a 5-man blocking scheme out of 21 personnel with back-ups? That's not even remotely true. Never? As a coach/coordinator - what do you do? Do you cover so much it changes what you do? And this is the first time you've admitted that a coach adjusting for missing starters/back-up personnel is a thing.

But let's go to the core of what we're discussing:

Having the ability to extend plays matters. It helps a lot.

I've never, ever denied that extending plays doesn't matter. It does help a lot. My argument is simply this; there's only so much a QB - even a mobile, top, awesome QB can do when he's playing with sub-par talent. For me you're arguing two things: Jimmy playing with subpar talent and poor results in 2020 (not 2019) is Jimmy's poor QB ability. When Mahomes plays worse (compare JG and Mahomes 2019/2020 SB stats), it's the coach, it's the OL, it's the WRs - everyone else but Mahomes being not able to lift the team beyond the personnel surrounding him (like Jimmy in 2019, yet still took his team to the SB).

I don't buy that argument because simply because Mahomes is a better scrambler means other portions of the team in terms of talent and execution get a pass?

Sweet baby Jesus there's too much to rebuttal in here.

I'm not touching this thread anymore because it's just too much lol.

Why are we still talking about the Superbowl when there was an entire season that played out afterward?

So are we just supposed to waive off Garappolo's 2020 season because of the ankle?