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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Levin Black dude has no clue if Kyle has the talent at picking a QB.

Right or wrong, I have posted several times that as good as kyle is at picking RBs and TEs, for whatever reason that skill has not transferred over to his picking great talents at QB. Just look at the crew he has picked to date...Hoyer, fascination with Cousins, Mullie, CJ. Also he has said he was dead set against picking a QB with the #2 pick in the draft and went DT. Mahomes was there but kyle had already made up his mind not to take a QB high. Those were his words or pretty close. He knew Mahomes was a winner , a super talent but just pre decided against going QB that high. He admits also that was a mistake. Big deal, we ALL make mistakes, and he owned up to it.

Black just happened to agree with what i have felt for awhile now, and I also agree that QB really should be JL's pick More likely like with other picks they discuss it but there have been picks Kyle jumps up for ....no need naming them...that JL most likely would not have taken. RBs, QBs, among a few others. Again, no body can bat 1000, but kyle seems to have some kind of block with QBs. And like he said, he KNEW Mahomes was the real deal...but in his mind he had already decided on Cousins. So a Mahomes was out.

It happens. The really odd inexplicable thing for me tho, is that despite this lack of a 6th sense for acquiring QBs, he is definitely a QB Whisperer. Harbaw like to be called that, but unquestionably, Kyle really is THE QB Whisperer. But picking them....that's another matter.

I don't fault him for it but he and JL know by now, that if kyle gets a wild hair for someone, JL really needs to be the final word on it. McK, the other running back that wasn't, Pettis, CJ, and Mullie who we ALL thot was wunderkind after seeing his 8 straight games some time back. Didn't translate into this yr tho.

Again, so what if he has made a few bad picks. Who doesn't? Unfortunately, a fair number of those were QBs...which just seems so eerily strange. RBs from nowhere, TEs...kyle is a wizard...or both he and John are. Those two guys took a team with one real player, DeFO, and built a SB team around him...in 3 (THREE) yrs no less. No matter how you slice it that was a phenomenal feat. Nobody saw it coming, nor predicted it. Yet KS /JL did just that...built a SB team from nothing in just 3 yrs. So no matter how bad several of Kyle's picks have been, over a 45 and 53 man team, the twosome has phenomenal talent for picking talent and building a SB team from scratch. That is a rare and truly wonderful thing in your HC/GM.

As for QBs, i just hope he leaves those to John, and when there is a guy not on our board , or way down the board, if kyle suddenly gets a flash, he would be way better off leaving the final decision to John. But to build a SB team in 3 yrs, the ratio of great picks and solid picks dwarfs the few poor ones we have had. My hope is kyle defers to JL who is less excitable and can think thru an off the wall pick. I just hope kyle realizes that and lets his GM do his job.

We all know they both go to great lengths to agree on their picks. Also we got a talented 3rd guy helping make decisions, and he should have his say on picks kyle "has to have". Overall tho...we are dang lucky we got both guys because together they have done what nobody had been able to do here in almost 18 yrs....build a sustainable SB ready team , yr after yr. Harbs inherited a bushel basket of talent thanks to us picking in top 3-5 every yr (and #1 one yr), and then organized it. But KS / JL started with DeFo and nothing else.

No one will forget what they built in 3 measly yrs. it was an awesome display of talent evaluation , guts, player development, and superb coaching. As long as they stay here we will always be in contention, barring a health train wreck like we saw this yr.
[ Edited by pasodoc9er on Feb 8, 2021 at 9:50 PM ]
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Exaxtly. If anything, catch is proving my point. Even with Mahomes being great at escaping that pressure multiple occasions, the team was barely able to score. Even if Jimmy pulls that Mahomes in the 4th quarter and gets a lone FG from all the heroics, we still lose.

This whole thing is that thr argument that a mobile qb will fix our problems and take us to a SB victory is preposterous.

We need to fix the OL.

If you agree then quit making the lazy a$$ excuse that we need a mobile qb to hide our OL. It just isn't going to work that way.

You can love or hate Jimmy or feel in between, but please, for the love of Mike(pick which one) let's quit saying a mobile qb will be the magic sauce.

Preach!

As mentioned elsewhere I believe a mobile QB helps you scheme and mask deficiencies with your o-line vs a pocket passer. Although guys like JG with a quick release help as well.

KC had the perfect storm. Decimated line and Mahomes wasn't at 100% mobility. It was nasty last night, but imo there was nothing he could do as the line was THAT bad.

In the end we want as great a QB possible behind as good an o-line as possible. Since the QB is truly roulette it makes sense to throw talent at the o-line much in the same way they have the d-line. If they love a QB in round one they should make it happen otherwise I demand a few o-lineman drafted regardless!

Keeping Trent Williams is the only thing they should care about right now.

Agree about Trent Williams and if they trade down the #12 pick and get two first rounders late and get an OLineman and DLineman, I would not be upset. However I'd still like them to use the #12 pick for a talented mobile QB that can back up Jimmy. ShanaLynch can use the excuse of being worried about Jimmys durability and not about them drafting a QB to replace him, although that's the idead if he keeps getting injured. Its a good QB crop and I think they should go BPA and if its a QB that is BPA - pull the trigger on a QB. There are several 5th round picks that they can use for OLinemen in addition to their 2,3,and 4th round draft picks.

Agreed. I'm actually thinking all 4 or even 5 QB will go FAST, maybe before we pick with other teams jumping ahead. I don't mind an aggressive move for a young QB and we keep JG next year regardless, but that's a fairytale until it's not. Otherwise just go bpa and address the many other needs.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Right or wrong, I have posted several times that as good as kyle is at picking RBs and TEs, for whatever reason that skill has not transferred over to his picking great talents at QB. Just look at the crew he has picked to date...Hoyer, fascination with Cousins, Mullie, CJ. Also he has said he was dead set against picking a QB with the #2 pick in the draft and went DT. Mahomes was there but kyle had already made up his mind not to take a QB high. Those were his words or pretty close. He knew Mahomes was a winner , a super talent but just pre decided against going QB that high. He admits also that was a mistake. Big deal, we ALL make mistakes, and he owned up to it.

Black just happened to agree with what i have felt for awhile now, and I also agree that QB really should be JL's pick More likely like with other picks they discuss it but there have been picks Kyle jumps up for ....no need naming them...that JL most likely would not have taken. RBs, QBs, among a few others. Again, no body can bat 1000, but kyle seems to have some kind of block with QBs. And like he said, he KNEW Mahomes was the real deal...but in his mind he had already decided on Cousins. So a Mahomes was out.

It happens. The really odd inexplicable thing for me tho, is that despite this lack of a 6th sense for acquiring QBs, he is definitely a QB Whisperer. Harbaw like to be called that, but unquestionably, Kyle really is THE QB Whisperer. But picking them....that's another matter.

I don't fault him for it but he and JL know by now, that if kyle gets a wild hair for someone, JL really needs to be the final word on it. McK, the other running back that wasn't, Pettis, CJ, and Mullie who we ALL thot was wunderkind after seeing his 8 straight games some time back. Didn't translate into this yr tho.

Again, so what if he has made a few bad picks. Who doesn't? Unfortunately, a fair number of those were QBs...which just seems so eerily strange. RBs from nowhere, TEs...kyle is a wizard...or both he and John are. Those two guys took a team with one real player, DeFO, and built a SB team around him...in 3 (THREE) yrs no less. No matter how you slice it that was a phenomenal feat. Nobody saw it coming, nor predicted it. Yet KS /JL did just that...built a SB team from nothing in just 3 yrs. So no matter how bad several of Kyle's picks have been, over a 45 and 53 man team, the twosome has phenomenal talent for picking talent and building a SB team from scratch. That is a rare and truly wonderful thing in your HC/GM.

As for QBs, i just hope he leaves those to John, and when there is a guy not on our board , or way down the board, if kyle suddenly gets a flash, he would be way better off leaving the final decision to John. But to build a SB team in 3 yrs, the ratio of great picks and solid picks dwarfs the few poor ones we have had. My hope is kyle defers to JL who is less excitable and can think thru an off the wall pick. I just hope kyle realizes that and lets his GM do his job.

We all know they both go to great lengths to agree on their picks. Also we got a talented 3rd guy helping make decisions, and he should have his say on picks kyle "has to have". Overall tho...we are dang lucky we got both guys because together they have done what nobody had been able to do here in almost 18 yrs....build a sustainable SB ready team , yr after yr. Harbs inherited a bushel basket of talent thanks to us picking in top 3-5 every yr (and #1 one yr), and then organized it. But KS / JL started with DeFo and nothing else.

No one will forget what they built in 3 measly yrs. it was an awesome display of talent evaluation , guts, player development, and superb coaching. As long as they stay here we will always be in contention, barring a health train wreck like we saw this yr.

Great post. Especially the last paragraph
Originally posted by lamontb:
I don't understand why you wouldn't want a more mobile qb and upgraded oline. I'm lost on the idea that's it's one or the other

Having a mobile QB whilst upgrading the O-Line at the same time would be Ideal.
crap i thought I posted something in here lol..
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
No that's not what's being said at all. The argument was that a top QB can make a s**t OL a winner. We saw even with arguably the top QB in the league it wasn't enough even with the top TE, one of the top WR groups, one of the top runners, etc.

Dude did his part, his WRs f**ked up. His coaching staff f**ked up.


Look at the video. The very first thing that pops out is the pressure and Baldy talks about that first. What's completely undeniable; pressure changes an offense and you can say that Reid f**ked up. I disagree. I say the Bucks pass-rush got to Mahomes. If you're going to deny that pressure changes QB play I don't know what else to say. We just disagree there.

Again we know about the pressure, there were 3 backup lineman, guys got pushed around all over the place. It's not like the plan all yr was to get rid of Schwartz, Fisher move another OT inside lose their starting RG etc etc. If your goal is to show that back ups to back ups isn't a good thing ,well bravo lol. Crazy they don't have a bunch of pro-bowlers on standby.

The point I'm making is Mahomes STILL moved, he extended plays he made f**king stupid throws that could have changed the whole game if his receivers caught the damn ball. Yes the coaching staff f**ked up. You don't rock 5 man protections with backup guys against that DL. Shanahan would have never done that. s**t his personnel groups are the opposite of doing that.

If we are going to play if the other guys did ____, can we include if Kendrick Bourne runs the right route, if the Oline keeps Chris Jones's arms down, etc?
Originally posted by Ensatsu:
I've been a proponent of the offensive line since the beginning. And it is easy to say that the 49ers should build an offensive line. Ok great.

But philosophically speaking, they still prioritize linemen who are great run blockers, and mediocre at pass protection because Shanahan wants to run his ZBS. It requires smaller and athletic guys who are more finesse and can't hold up against big DTs.

How exactly is that going to help Garoppolo in 2021?

If you want to say they should build an offensive line that can pass protect really well and can hold up against Chris Jones, etc. Then you must first ask yourself, does this head coach even have the flexibility to do that? Or does he just want to run his scheme because he believes in it.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Exaxtly. If anything, catch is proving my point. Even with Mahomes being great at escaping that pressure multiple occasions, the team was barely able to score. Even if Jimmy pulls that Mahomes in the 4th quarter and gets a lone FG from all the heroics, we still lose.

This whole thing is that thr argument that a mobile qb will fix our problems and take us to a SB victory is preposterous.

We need to fix the OL.

If you agree then quit making the lazy a$$ excuse that we need a mobile qb to hide our OL. It just isn't going to work that way.

You can love or hate Jimmy or feel in between, but please, for the love of Mike(pick which one) let's quit saying a mobile qb will be the magic sauce.

There's just way too much common sense in these posts.
Originally posted by lamontb:
I don't understand why you wouldn't want a more mobile qb and upgraded oline. I'm lost on the idea that's it's one or the other

Yup. That should always be the goal. Recreate that Steve Young + old glory top OL magic.

The challenge is limited resources. Or an unwillingness to use resources with this FO to do just that.

Is it possible to do both this off season? Yup.

Does the FO prioritize the OL with top end talent AND go-big or go-home for their top QB like Zack Wilson? Probably not.
Originally posted by 49ERnation:
just gonna leave this right here.... 2 games in which the 49ers offensive line was even worse than what we just watched on Sunday that speaks volumes.

I was going to say, that just looked like a normal game for our 3 QB's. LOL
Originally posted by John_Candy:

*sighs*
Originally posted by Ensatsu:
I've been a proponent of the offensive line since the beginning. And it is easy to say that the 49ers should build an offensive line. Ok great.

But philosophically speaking, they still prioritize linemen who are great run blockers, and mediocre at pass protection because Shanahan wants to run his ZBS. It requires smaller and athletic guys who are more finesse and can't hold up against big DTs.

How exactly is that going to help Garoppolo in 2021?

If you want to say they should build an offensive line that can pass protect really well and can hold up against Chris Jones, etc. Then you must first ask yourself, does this head coach even have the flexibility to do that? Or does he just want to run his scheme because he believes in it.

This, legitimately, is my biggest philosophical concern and really is at the cusp of the issues. That and Kyle's willingness to try and scheme around it...has become "normal."
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by John_Candy:

*sighs*

He's going to be very good but as far as the Super Bowl goes wasn't he going against somebody not named Frank Clark or Chris Jones? I don't know if that would be the biggest accomplishment since the Chiefs don't really have anyone else that's good on their D line.
Originally posted by NinerGM:
What fans don't want to accept is suggesting a change from the QB who was on a SB MVP pace performance was done in by (1) pressure right up the middle in his face (IOL) (2) a coach he stopped running and (3) flags that weren't thrown might not be the best approach. We can talk about everything else but that's what I saw. So instead of fixing on of these three - people want to trade away players and picks on a steam that will struggle to bring its own FAs back let alone bring in new ones for a transcendent mobile QB.

I'm not saying you guys are wrong, but if I'm trying to solve the SB question quickly, I'd start with recreating the scenario with the players that had me on a SB MVP performance pace - and that means fixing OC and getting more reliable, separation-causing, pass catching targets and another edge couldn't hurt.

Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by John_Candy:

*sighs*

He's going to be very good but as far as the Super Bowl goes wasn't he going against somebody not named Frank Clark or Chris Jones? I don't know if that would be the biggest accomplishment since the Chiefs don't really have anyone else that's good on their D line.

True true. He's just been getting better and better though esp. given there was no off season. Excellent talent overall.

[ Edited by NCommand on Feb 9, 2021 at 5:48 AM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by John_Candy:

*sighs*

He's going to be very good but as far as the Super Bowl goes wasn't he going against somebody not named Frank Clark or Chris Jones? I don't know if that would be the biggest accomplishment since the Chiefs don't really have anyone else that's good on their D line.

True true. He's just been getting better and better though esp. given there was no off season. Excellent talent overall.

Yeah it makes me wish we never drafted MM bc we might of just rolled with Brunskill. Which would've been a decent improvement in past protection and a drop off in run blocking. Then we get Wirfs in the first round instead of Kinlaw and we are good to go
[ Edited by elguapo on Feb 9, 2021 at 4:41 AM ]
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