49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by John_Candy:

Tristan Wirfs dominated in #SBLV 😤 pic.twitter.com/24XU7ViZus

— PFF (@PFF) February 8, 2021

*sighs*

He's going to be very good but as far as the Super Bowl goes wasn't he going against somebody not named Frank Clark or Chris Jones? I don't know if that would be the biggest accomplishment since the Chiefs don't really have anyone else that's good on their D line.

True true. He's just been getting better and better though esp. given there was no off season. Excellent talent overall.

Yeah it makes me wish we never drafted MM bc we might of just rolled with Brunskill. Which would've been a decent improvement in past protection and a drop off in run blocking. Then we get Wirfs in the first round instead of Kinlaw and we are good to go

Yeah (and other moves over the 4 years) and on that topic, imagine if Garoppolo did this (and he should).

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by lamontb:
I don't understand why you wouldn't want a more mobile qb and upgraded oline. I'm lost on the idea that's it's one or the other

Having a mobile QB whilst upgrading the O-Line at the same time would be Ideal.

Hard to pull off in a single year with the cap taking a huge nose dive. You are probably going to have to pick for next year.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Lol. Exactly what I talked about in the Jimmy thread with catch. He said, "Jimmy didn't get pressured til the 4th quarter".

When mahomes gets that pressure, "he still made a heroic effort!"
Jimmy: ☝

The difference is Jimmy was helpless under that pressure. Mahomes was at least able to roll out and make a few little plays despite the pressure. That's what being mobile can do. It wasn't enough to win the game but it kept him alive. Jimmy was 18-22 in the first 3 quarters. Then it all crumbled. Imagine his numbers if he was under that pressure that TB was putting on all day. The running game helped a lot in those first 3 quarters and kept them from rushing the passer as much. At the end, KC just decided that they couldn't worry about the run and needed to pressure JG so they could get the ball back.

It certainly kept a lot of plays alive (many unnecessary ghost pressure plays too) but it almost got him seriously hurt too. He was reduced to a one-read scrambling college QB. Fun. Entertaining. Backyard. Memorable. Low %. Hurt.

Exaxtly. If anything, catch is proving my point. Even with Mahomes being great at escaping that pressure multiple occasions, the team was barely able to score. Even if Jimmy pulls that Mahomes in the 4th quarter and gets a lone FG from all the heroics, we still lose.

This whole thing is that thr argument that a mobile qb will fix our problems and take us to a SB victory is preposterous.

We need to fix the OL.

If you agree then quit making the lazy a$$ excuse that we need a mobile qb to hide our OL. It just isn't going to work that way.

You can love or hate Jimmy or feel in between, but please, for the love of Mike(pick which one) let's quit saying a mobile qb will be the magic sauce.

For fun discussion convo..

So you wouldn't take mahomes on our team?

That's an absurd hypothetical. Who wouldn't take Mahomes? Coming out of college? No. Now? In a heartbeat.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Exaxtly. If anything, catch is proving my point. Even with Mahomes being great at escaping that pressure multiple occasions, the team was barely able to score. Even if Jimmy pulls that Mahomes in the 4th quarter and gets a lone FG from all the heroics, we still lose.

This whole thing is that thr argument that a mobile qb will fix our problems and take us to a SB victory is preposterous.

We need to fix the OL.

If you agree then quit making the lazy a$$ excuse that we need a mobile qb to hide our OL. It just isn't going to work that way.

You can love or hate Jimmy or feel in between, but please, for the love of Mike(pick which one) let's quit saying a mobile qb will be the magic sauce.

Preach!

As mentioned elsewhere I believe a mobile QB helps you scheme and mask deficiencies with your o-line vs a pocket passer. Although guys like JG with a quick release help as well.

KC had the perfect storm. Decimated line and Mahomes wasn't at 100% mobility. It was nasty last night, but imo there was nothing he could do as the line was THAT bad.

In the end we want as great a QB possible behind as good an o-line as possible. Since the QB is truly roulette it makes sense to throw talent at the o-line much in the same way they have the d-line. If they love a QB in round one they should make it happen otherwise I demand a few o-lineman drafted regardless!

Keeping Trent Williams is the only thing they should care about right now.

My preference is to fix the OL and get the best thrower of the football you can. Tom Brady is one of the least mobile qb's ever and just win his 7th Lombardi in his 10th SB appearance in 20 years. That's what I want. I don't care if they're mobile or not, I want a guy who can deliver the ball. I think Jimmy has the traits to deliver the ball. That's why I don't see the need for a mobile guy. Right or wrong, that's my view.

Originally posted by 49ERnation:

49ers had two games this past season in which their PFF pass-blocking grade was in the 40s, lower than KC's in yesterday's Super Bowl…

*at Seattle, Wk 8
*vs GB, Wk 9

Seahawks loss derailed SF's season; not a coincidence games marked biggest instability at the center position

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) February 8, 2021

just gonna leave this right here.... 2 games in which the 49ers offensive line was even worse than what we just watched on Sunday that speaks volumes.

For. Real. I've posted that video of our pass blocking in the Seattle game multiple times and it gets ignored by the crowd that won't give Jimmy a nut hair of grace.

I was literally arguing this yesterday, that the Seattle game our OL was just as bad, if not worse, than what KC's was in that SB and yet all we've heard from that game to now is how Jimmy got himself hurt, sucked in that game and we need a mobile qb to fix the OL problems.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Exaxtly. If anything, catch is proving my point. Even with Mahomes being great at escaping that pressure multiple occasions, the team was barely able to score. Even if Jimmy pulls that Mahomes in the 4th quarter and gets a lone FG from all the heroics, we still lose.

This whole thing is that thr argument that a mobile qb will fix our problems and take us to a SB victory is preposterous.

We need to fix the OL.

If you agree then quit making the lazy a$$ excuse that we need a mobile qb to hide our OL. It just isn't going to work that way.

You can love or hate Jimmy or feel in between, but please, for the love of Mike(pick which one) let's quit saying a mobile qb will be the magic sauce.

Preach!

As mentioned elsewhere I believe a mobile QB helps you scheme and mask deficiencies with your o-line vs a pocket passer. Although guys like JG with a quick release help as well.

KC had the perfect storm. Decimated line and Mahomes wasn't at 100% mobility. It was nasty last night, but imo there was nothing he could do as the line was THAT bad.

In the end we want as great a QB possible behind as good an o-line as possible. Since the QB is truly roulette it makes sense to throw talent at the o-line much in the same way they have the d-line. If they love a QB in round one they should make it happen otherwise I demand a few o-lineman drafted regardless!

Keeping Trent Williams is the only thing they should care about right now.

My preference is to fix the OL and get the best thrower of the football you can. Tom Brady is one of the least mobile qb's ever and just win his 7th Lombardi in his 10th SB appearance in 20 years. That's what I want. I don't care if they're mobile or not, I want a guy who can deliver the ball. I think Jimmy has the traits to deliver the ball. That's why I don't see the need for a mobile guy. Right or wrong, that's my view.

Oh 99% agreed! I'm not fixated on a mobile guy or saying it's the only way to build an offense today etc. I'm just expressing in how they can benefit the team with that talent etc.
A ton of the zone wants a mobile guy and or a new QB at almost any cost to which I said - it doesn't matter who's the Qb if he only has .3 seconds to throw the ball after the snap lol.

Poor Mahomes last Sunday confirmed this. Even if they love a rookie QB and pay a bunch to get him- fine by me, but they should still draft more o-line with whatever draft capital we have left.

IMO resigning TW is the only move we are concerned about right now. Then a real Center! Hell, every other position after Trent could be upgraded.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 49ERnation:

49ers had two games this past season in which their PFF pass-blocking grade was in the 40s, lower than KC's in yesterday's Super Bowl…

*at Seattle, Wk 8
*vs GB, Wk 9

Seahawks loss derailed SF's season; not a coincidence games marked biggest instability at the center position

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) February 8, 2021

just gonna leave this right here.... 2 games in which the 49ers offensive line was even worse than what we just watched on Sunday that speaks volumes.

For. Real. I've posted that video of our pass blocking in the Seattle game multiple times and it gets ignored by the crowd that won't give Jimmy a nut hair of grace.

I was literally arguing this yesterday, that the Seattle game our OL was just as bad, if not worse, than what KC's was in that SB and yet all we've heard from that game to now is how Jimmy got himself hurt, sucked in that game and we need a mobile qb to fix the OL problems.

Maybe you need to spend less time in the Jimmy g thread. That's not all we heard at all. There are a lot of us who post in the oline thread every week. Nobody in there right minds should think that even a mobile qb doesn't need an adequate o line.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Maybe you need to spend less time in the Jimmy g thread. That's not all we heard at all. There are a lot of us who post in the oline thread every week. Nobody in there right minds should think that even a mobile qb doesn't need an adequate o line.

Good point. This isn't an either or issue. You can try and do both things. It really depends on how they evaluate the guys that are sitting there when they draft.

Whoever may be the 49ers QB, OL will be emphasized

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 49ERnation:

49ers had two games this past season in which their PFF pass-blocking grade was in the 40s, lower than KC's in yesterday's Super Bowl…

*at Seattle, Wk 8
*vs GB, Wk 9

Seahawks loss derailed SF's season; not a coincidence games marked biggest instability at the center position

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) February 8, 2021

just gonna leave this right here.... 2 games in which the 49ers offensive line was even worse than what we just watched on Sunday that speaks volumes.

For. Real. I've posted that video of our pass blocking in the Seattle game multiple times and it gets ignored by the crowd that won't give Jimmy a nut hair of grace.

I was literally arguing this yesterday, that the Seattle game our OL was just as bad, if not worse, than what KC's was in that SB and yet all we've heard from that game to now is how Jimmy got himself hurt, sucked in that game and we need a mobile qb to fix the OL problems.

Maybe you need to spend less time in the Jimmy g thread. That's not all we heard at all. There are a lot of us who post in the oline thread every week. Nobody in there right minds should think that even a mobile qb doesn't need an adequate o line.

Wasn't just the Jimmy thread. Its been all over Twitter and reddit too.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Maybe you need to spend less time in the Jimmy g thread. That's not all we heard at all. There are a lot of us who post in the oline thread every week. Nobody in there right minds should think that even a mobile qb doesn't need an adequate o line.

Good point. This isn't an either or issue. You can try and do both things. It really depends on how they evaluate the guys that are sitting there when they draft.

Considering what's being suggested, draft capital wise, it is an either/or. We have holes to fill, there's no denying or working around that. If you take it from the perspective that a mobile qb, no matter how good, doesn't lessen the need to address OL then you come to the logical conclusion that with a finite amount of resources, spending those on OL instead of a new QB would be the path of least resistance back to the SB.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
My preference is to fix the OL and get the best thrower of the football you can. Tom Brady is one of the least mobile qb's ever and just win his 7th Lombardi in his 10th SB appearance in 20 years. That's what I want. I don't care if they're mobile or not, I want a guy who can deliver the ball. I think Jimmy has the traits to deliver the ball. That's why I don't see the need for a mobile guy. Right or wrong, that's my view.

Tom Brady isnt a great example because of how he manipulates the pocket. No, he isnt mobile. He is the exact opposite. But he has elite pocket traits that definitely trump the need to be mobile.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
My preference is to fix the OL and get the best thrower of the football you can. Tom Brady is one of the least mobile qb's ever and just win his 7th Lombardi in his 10th SB appearance in 20 years. That's what I want. I don't care if they're mobile or not, I want a guy who can deliver the ball. I think Jimmy has the traits to deliver the ball. That's why I don't see the need for a mobile guy. Right or wrong, that's my view.

Tom Brady isnt a great example because of how he manipulates the pocket. No, he isnt mobile. He is the exact opposite. But he has elite pocket traits that definitely trump the need to be mobile.

Brady's choked in the playoffs too when facing overwhelming pressure.

Both SB's against the Giants and the AFC championship game against Mannings Bronco's come to mind.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
My preference is to fix the OL and get the best thrower of the football you can. Tom Brady is one of the least mobile qb's ever and just win his 7th Lombardi in his 10th SB appearance in 20 years. That's what I want. I don't care if they're mobile or not, I want a guy who can deliver the ball. I think Jimmy has the traits to deliver the ball. That's why I don't see the need for a mobile guy. Right or wrong, that's my view.

Tom Brady isnt a great example because of how he manipulates the pocket. No, he isnt mobile. He is the exact opposite. But he has elite pocket traits that definitely trump the need to be mobile.

Brady's choked in the playoffs too when facing overwhelming pressure.

Both SB's against the Giants and the AFC championship game against Mannings Bronco's come to mind.

For sure. If you got the impression that I meant that being mobile doesnt matter, that wasnt my intention. I want a QB who is able to use his legs to avoid pressure. I just think that IF you dont have one like that, being able to move around IN the pocket can trump the need to be mobile. Ideally you want both, but not many QBs are great at both.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
My preference is to fix the OL and get the best thrower of the football you can. Tom Brady is one of the least mobile qb's ever and just win his 7th Lombardi in his 10th SB appearance in 20 years. That's what I want. I don't care if they're mobile or not, I want a guy who can deliver the ball. I think Jimmy has the traits to deliver the ball. That's why I don't see the need for a mobile guy. Right or wrong, that's my view.

I think everybody debating in this thread wants to 'get the best thrower of the football you can'. Mobile is better but not a requisite. That;s why Stafford was wanted by many, even though he isn't mobile.
The debatable issue is 'Jimmy has the traits to deliver the ball'. You think he does, along with many others, while many others don't or at least think they should upgrade that position if possible. So, we'll all see if there is a deal to be made that Kyle/John like and they upgrade the QB position. If they don't move on from JG then they either 'trust' JG or they didn't like any of the proposed deals. Unless you don't think they are considering upgrading the QB position?