49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
My preference is to fix the OL and get the best thrower of the football you can. Tom Brady is one of the least mobile qb's ever and just win his 7th Lombardi in his 10th SB appearance in 20 years. That's what I want. I don't care if they're mobile or not, I want a guy who can deliver the ball. I think Jimmy has the traits to deliver the ball. That's why I don't see the need for a mobile guy. Right or wrong, that's my view.

Tom Brady isnt a great example because of how he manipulates the pocket. No, he isnt mobile. He is the exact opposite. But he has elite pocket traits that definitely trump the need to be mobile.

Brady's choked in the playoffs too when facing overwhelming pressure.

Both SB's against the Giants and the AFC championship game against Mannings Bronco's come to mind.

Which further illustrates, pass protection is just as crucial for a pocket passer as it is a more mobile QB. Brady's football IQ and timing is just as effective as an off script QB but BOTH absolutely need stellar pass protection (or at least better than the other teams defensive pressure) IF you want to win a ship.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Exaxtly. If anything, catch is proving my point. Even with Mahomes being great at escaping that pressure multiple occasions, the team was barely able to score. Even if Jimmy pulls that Mahomes in the 4th quarter and gets a lone FG from all the heroics, we still lose.

This whole thing is that thr argument that a mobile qb will fix our problems and take us to a SB victory is preposterous.

We need to fix the OL.

If you agree then quit making the lazy a$$ excuse that we need a mobile qb to hide our OL. It just isn't going to work that way.

You can love or hate Jimmy or feel in between, but please, for the love of Mike(pick which one) let's quit saying a mobile qb will be the magic sauce.

Preach!

As mentioned elsewhere I believe a mobile QB helps you scheme and mask deficiencies with your o-line vs a pocket passer. Although guys like JG with a quick release help as well.

KC had the perfect storm. Decimated line and Mahomes wasn't at 100% mobility. It was nasty last night, but imo there was nothing he could do as the line was THAT bad.

In the end we want as great a QB possible behind as good an o-line as possible. Since the QB is truly roulette it makes sense to throw talent at the o-line much in the same way they have the d-line. If they love a QB in round one they should make it happen otherwise I demand a few o-lineman drafted regardless!

Keeping Trent Williams is the only thing they should care about right now.

My preference is to fix the OL and get the best thrower of the football you can. Tom Brady is one of the least mobile qb's ever and just win his 7th Lombardi in his 10th SB appearance in 20 years. That's what I want. I don't care if they're mobile or not, I want a guy who can deliver the ball. I think Jimmy has the traits to deliver the ball. That's why I don't see the need for a mobile guy. Right or wrong, that's my view.

Agree. I'll just add that Mobile QBs make a difference in third and short yardage. Other than that -- they have to do regular QB stuff in the first and second downs. If they cant do good QBing in those two downs, they don't get to third and shorts.

QBs who are coached to run also are subject to more injuries because they are doing two roles, QB *and* RB, so a lot more contact for QBs who are used as third down RBs. With our teams injury history - that's a suicidal situation.

LOL. From the most scrambly of scramblers scrambling for pass protection. LOL

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
My preference is to fix the OL and get the best thrower of the football you can. Tom Brady is one of the least mobile qb's ever and just win his 7th Lombardi in his 10th SB appearance in 20 years. That's what I want. I don't care if they're mobile or not, I want a guy who can deliver the ball. I think Jimmy has the traits to deliver the ball. That's why I don't see the need for a mobile guy. Right or wrong, that's my view.

Tom Brady isnt a great example because of how he manipulates the pocket. No, he isnt mobile. He is the exact opposite. But he has elite pocket traits that definitely trump the need to be mobile.

Brady's choked in the playoffs too when facing overwhelming pressure.

Both SB's against the Giants and the AFC championship game against Mannings Bronco's come to mind.

Which further illustrates, pass protection is just as crucial for a pocket passer as it is a more mobile QB. Brady's football IQ and timing is just as effective as an off script QB but BOTH absolutely need stellar pass protection (or at least better than the other teams defensive pressure) IF you want to win a ship.

I want to win a couple of aircraft carriers!

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. From the most scrambly of scramblers scrambling for pass protection. LOL

Russell Wilson:

"I'm frustrated with getting hit too much."

— Joe Fann (@Joe_Fann) February 9, 2021

Well damn.

Too bad they can't afford any protection with his own salary. LOL.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. From the most scrambly of scramblers scrambling for pass protection. LOL

Russell Wilson:

"I'm frustrated with getting hit too much."

— Joe Fann (@Joe_Fann) February 9, 2021

Well damn.

Too bad they can't afford any protection with his own salary. LOL.

Seahawks rank in $ spent on offensive line:

2021: No. 31
2020: No. 26
2019: No. 15
2018: No. 26
2017: No. 26
2016: No. 32
2015: No. 30

— Ian Hartitz (@Ihartitz) February 9, 2021

Draft history for OL taken by the Hawks in first 3 rounds under Pete :

2020 : OG in R3
2017 : OC in R2
2016: G/T in R1
2016 : OG in R3
2014 : OT in R2
2011 : OT in R1
2011 : OG in R3
2010 : OT in R1

Outside of the first 3 rounds they took 9 other OL. They also traded a slot corner, a first and a second for Duane Brown. And we haven't touched FA.

Without going in depth on each player, a quick take IMO gives the appearance of an issue with scouting/drafting OL in Seattle.

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. From the most scrambly of scramblers scrambling for pass protection. LOL

Russell Wilson:

"I'm frustrated with getting hit too much."

— Joe Fann (@Joe_Fann) February 9, 2021

You still dont seem to grasp that having a mobile QB and a competent OL are not mutually exclusive. And if you do, I have no idea why you continue to post as if they are.

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. From the most scrambly of scramblers scrambling for pass protection. LOL

Russell Wilson:

"I'm frustrated with getting hit too much."

— Joe Fann (@Joe_Fann) February 9, 2021

Doesn't get hit nearly enough.

Originally posted by evil:
Draft history for OL taken by the Hawks in first 3 rounds under Pete :

2020 : OG in R3
2017 : OC in R2
2016: G/T in R1
2016 : OG in R3
2014 : OT in R2
2011 : OT in R1
2011 : OG in R3
2010 : OT in R1

Outside of the first 3 rounds they took 9 other OL. They also traded a slot corner, a first and a second for Duane Brown. And we haven't touched FA.

Without going in depth on each player, a quick take IMO gives the appearance of an issue with scouting/drafting OL in Seattle.

You nailed it!

Originally posted by SFTifoso:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. From the most scrambly of scramblers scrambling for pass protection. LOL

Russell Wilson:

"I'm frustrated with getting hit too much."

— Joe Fann (@Joe_Fann) February 9, 2021

Doesn't get hit nearly enough.

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. From the most scrambly of scramblers scrambling for pass protection. LOL

Russell Wilson:

"I'm frustrated with getting hit too much."

— Joe Fann (@Joe_Fann) February 9, 2021

Partly his fault for holding on the ball too long. Its been a constant throughout his career. The same thing that allows him to make huge off schedule throws deep down the field when everything else breaks down also leads to him taking a hell of a lot of extra hits. As he gets older he needs to learn to be quicker to throw it away and come back and play another down.

Wilson has had some lousy OL's during his time in Seattle but no quarterback in football does more to make his OL look worse than Wilson does.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
You still dont seem to grasp that having a mobile QB and a competent OL are not mutually exclusive. And if you do, I have no idea why you continue to post as if they are.

Correct. In fact, a mobile QB doesn't have to be mobile if he's got adequate protection (Steve Young in his later years of mastering the WCO). You should strive to have both or a pocket passer with excellent pocket feel and high football IQ.

Wilson is just another example of a supreme athlete that can't transcend poor pass protection. He's had enough.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
You still dont seem to grasp that having a mobile QB and a competent OL are not mutually exclusive. And if you do, I have no idea why you continue to post as if they are.

Correct. In fact, a mobile QB doesn't have to be mobile if he's got adequate protection (Steve Young in his later years of mastering the WCO). You should strive to have both or a pocket passer with excellent pocket feel and high football IQ.

Wilson is just another example of a supreme athlete that can't transcend poor pass protection. He's had enough.

I also feel like part of this is because Wilson and the Seahawks are overly enamored with the big play rather than the right play (right play probably isn't the correct term that I really want to use) or a good enough play, so there's been too many instances of Wilson abandoning clean pockets and initiating a scramble drill when it was unnecessary

Originally posted by evil:
Draft history for OL taken by the Hawks in first 3 rounds under Pete :

2020 : OG in R3
2017 : OC in R2
2016: G/T in R1
2016 : OG in R3
2014 : OT in R2
2011 : OT in R1
2011 : OG in R3
2010 : OT in R1

Outside of the first 3 rounds they took 9 other OL. They also traded a slot corner, a first and a second for Duane Brown. And we haven't touched FA.

Without going in depth on each player, a quick take IMO gives the appearance of an issue with scouting/drafting OL in Seattle.

Great recon evil. I didn't even know that, that's on them.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by evil:
Draft history for OL taken by the Hawks in first 3 rounds under Pete :

2020 : OG in R3
2017 : OC in R2
2016: G/T in R1
2016 : OG in R3
2014 : OT in R2
2011 : OT in R1
2011 : OG in R3
2010 : OT in R1

Outside of the first 3 rounds they took 9 other OL. They also traded a slot corner, a first and a second for Duane Brown. And we haven't touched FA.

Without going in depth on each player, a quick take IMO gives the appearance of an issue with scouting/drafting OL in Seattle.

Telling.

Bigtime, how much more do you have to invest. Now they're going to be busy paying Adams 20 million a year and they have no first round pick. Have fun losing the division every year unless of course the Niners are severely injured