49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by FL9er:
How mad are you and GM going to be when they don't draft an OL in the 1st? Slater might be gone by 12 anyway.

They be going atomic mad! Webzone might not survive.

Not me. I'm mocking us to take a CB in the first.

Patrick Surtain II, Come on down!

That's who I'm mocking to us.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jcs:
Cap doest stay stagnant and the league is going to sign new TV deals soon.

Those cap hits don't stay stagnate either...AA gonna be $20M in 2022, Trent will be around there, Kittle will be $16M etc You got Deebo, Warner, Bosa do for good size contract sooner than later. those 5th yr options are cheap anymore if they play well.

you can't pay everyone regardless of what people say. I mean unless you think SF isn't gonna pay Bosa or Warner in favor of keeping Jimmy? He's gonna be due a contract if you're not drafting QB as well.

IMO they will be looking at QBs and making a move if it's doable without question.

This is an important point. I am a big Jimmy fan, but with Trent, Kittle, Juice, Armstead, and Ward's contracts, and with Bosa, Warner, Deebo, and Jimmy all coming up, a rookie QB contract would be huge for this team. Jimmy needs to show he is (1) a franchise QB, and (2) can stay healthy, otherwise the team will move on, whether from a rookie we draft this year, or from bringing in a vet next year.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
I couldn't disgree more. One injurt to Mac and we are right back where we were last year. C/RG needs to be priority #1, or 2nd round at the latest.

XFactor learns from the past!

Im still in the Dickerson boat. Great leader, great lineman, has experience making the calls in a Shannyesque(shanny's old Qb coach in ATL) offense.

Only concern is injury history.

Very talented player indeed. Has all the intangibles you want. Would be a terrific student under Mack. But yeah, that injury history is something I think ShanaLynch might finally be learning from:

The two players that the #49ers signed from other teams:

Ebukam: 64 of 64 games played
Mack: 94 of his last 96 games played

Think Kyle Shanahan wanted players that were durable after last season? Bet your life on it.

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) March 17, 2021

This is so important it is hard to calculate just how important. The point being made the last 6 months about injuries and buying/drafting /trading for great talent that has been/is nicked....just cannot be overemphasized. There is no way to know if our 6 yr "lead" in PUP and worse IR is due to moneyball and bringing in the Dees, Richburgs, Jet, etc...but it seems highly likely. No team should lead the NFL in injury time lost . And there hasn't been any other reason brot forth to explain it.

No need in naming all the walking wounded. What all had in common tho, was their talent was worthless sitting on the bench. New S &C guys were a great idea....but that was for keeping healthy guys healthy. They were never intended to take injured or injured hx players and making them play. That was a horrible idea once our team was pretty well set.

Worse, once here, they spent most of the time eating cap, and we were without a player at THAT position. With RBs, not such a big problem but ER, C...those were calamitous

Initially in 2017, that was different. Any talent , anytime was welcome. But as seasons progressed and we kept bringing in injured or nicked guys, it just flat azz broke our backs. So agree with this sentiment about 100X over.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Patrick Surtain II, Come on down!

no thank you.

🤨 why not? His scouting report sounds almost identical to Sherm.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/patrick-surtain-ii-alabama-nfl-draft-scouting-report

This team isn't gonna spend up for a CB IMO. Defense is based around the DL. You can find good zone DBs later that fit the bill (yes I know they played a little more man this yr).

It's not that I think he's a bad prospect...I just don't see them drafting a CB high.

But they paid Sherm 13m/year. You get CB on a rookie deal. Why are you all for running with a qb on a rookie deal but not a CB? Fills a position of high importance/need/value with a young guy, scouts to the scheme perfectly, already well versed in our style of defense.

To me, it's as much a fit as Bosa in our scheme. He's the ideal C3/man outside. Tall, lengthy, physical, great ball skills and at the point if attack and absolute shutdown through first 2.5 seconds. That's a younger Sherm.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
I would still like to see them add 4 more OL either through FA or the draft. We need a quality backup/developmental player behind Mack and it also wouldn't hurt to add swap out our starting RG and LG and RT. We also could use another solid backup tackle to sit behind Trent and the new starting RT.

4 more you say....so go into camp with what 15- 16 linemen. lol

Haha. That's even extreme for me. But I like where his head is at.

Yeah..that's insane. Thought I was extreme for wanting 2 of the first four as O-line. One to be center of the future and another to play RG or RT, depending.

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
I couldn't disgree more. One injurt to Mac and we are right back where we were last year. C/RG needs to be priority #1, or 2nd round at the latest.

XFactor learns from the past!

100%. I love what they did, but I would not be mad if we went OT/G at 12 and a Center in round 2. We absolutely need a viable backup center.

Yeah the problem with that is no way you can value a second round backup center over a starting edge or cb. At this point they have no one starting opposite of Bosa and no slot cb. They can not be spending high draft picks for backup players when they don't have starters at vital positions.

Fair enough. That can push center to day 3 since we have 2 years to develop said player, but I'd prefer a guy that can play immediately if necessary.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Not me. I'm mocking us to take a CB in the first.

I don't see that happening at all....our defense is built around the DL and getting pressure on the QB. They run some sort of zone shell like 70% of the time.

You're not drafting a zone corner at 12 overall. That's for straight up man/press guys and we don't do that overall.

Ton of good zone guys in the middle rounds.

if you think they're drafting CB you're gonna be let down.

I doubt it, but I like the versatility a corner like that brings.

I also hear the calls for QB and it makes sense if Jimmy isn't the guy. Hoping he is the guy AND is willing to lower his cap number.

Love the Mack and TW signings. That said, Mack's tenure's likely to be just 1 yr, making it imperative they draft his replacement now. That guy would be Rashawn Slater, who's got all the makings of a Pro Bowl C. Would also like to see them upgrade RG, and this is a great draft to do just that. Brunskill's greatest value is as the 1st man off the bench.

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Love the Mack and TW signings. That said, Mack's tenure's likely to be just 1 yr, making it imperative they draft his replacement now. That guy would be Rashawn Slater, who's got all the makings of a Pro Bowl C. Would also like to see them upgrade RG, and this is a great draft to do just that. Brunskill's greatest value is as the 1st man off the bench.

Why would you use an early 1st on a college tackle just to have them play center?

Originally posted by jonnydel:
But they paid Sherm 13m/year. You get CB on a rookie deal. Why are you all for running with a qb on a rookie deal but not a CB? Fills a position of high importance/need/value with a young guy, scouts to the scheme perfectly, already well versed in our style of defense.

To me, it's as much a fit as Bosa in our scheme. He's the ideal C3/man outside. Tall, lengthy, physical, great ball skills and at the point if attack and absolute shutdown through first 2.5 seconds. That's a younger Sherm.

it was 3yrs $27M with a s**t ton of incentives.

I'm not debating playing a rookie QB vs a rookie CB. I'm saying you can find scheme fit CBs later...ton of good zone DBs. This D is based around the DL.

you're spending up for CBs (whether it's draft/free agency) if they're man CBs...something we don't do a ton of compared to the rest of the league.

There's a bunch of good C3 prospects that fit the bill...I'll be shocked if they draft a CB at 12.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Yeah..that's insane. Thought I was extreme for wanting 2 of the first four as O-line. One to be center of the future and another to play RG or RT, depending.
Fair enough. That can push center to day 3 since we have 2 years to develop said player, but I'd prefer a guy that can play immediately if necessary.

I doubt it, but I like the versatility a corner like that brings.

I also hear the calls for QB and it makes sense if Jimmy isn't the guy. Hoping he is the guy AND is willing to lower his cap number.

He has no reason to lower his cap number...

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Patrick Surtain II, Come on down!

no thank you.

🤨 why not? His scouting report sounds almost identical to Sherm.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/patrick-surtain-ii-alabama-nfl-draft-scouting-report

This team isn't gonna spend up for a CB IMO. Defense is based around the DL. You can find good zone DBs later that fit the bill (yes I know they played a little more man this yr).

It's not that I think he's a bad prospect...I just don't see them drafting a CB high.

New DC could be the wildcard though. He might wanna play even more man

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Patrick Surtain II, Come on down!

no thank you.

🤨 why not? His scouting report sounds almost identical to Sherm.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/patrick-surtain-ii-alabama-nfl-draft-scouting-report

This team isn't gonna spend up for a CB IMO. Defense is based around the DL. You can find good zone DBs later that fit the bill (yes I know they played a little more man this yr).

It's not that I think he's a bad prospect...I just don't see them drafting a CB high.

New DC could be the wildcard though. He might wanna play even more man

He's going to play whatever Kyle wants him to play just like Saleh.

Originally posted by jcs:
He's going to play whatever Kyle wants him to play just like Saleh.

Good answer.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
But they paid Sherm 13m/year. You get CB on a rookie deal. Why are you all for running with a qb on a rookie deal but not a CB? Fills a position of high importance/need/value with a young guy, scouts to the scheme perfectly, already well versed in our style of defense.

To me, it's as much a fit as Bosa in our scheme. He's the ideal C3/man outside. Tall, lengthy, physical, great ball skills and at the point if attack and absolute shutdown through first 2.5 seconds. That's a younger Sherm.

it was 3yrs $27M with a s**t ton of incentives.

I'm not debating playing a rookie QB vs a rookie CB. I'm saying you can find scheme fit CBs later...ton of good zone DBs. This D is based around the DL.

you're spending up for CBs (whether it's draft/free agency) if they're man CBs...something we don't do a ton of compared to the rest of the league.

There's a bunch of good C3 prospects that fit the bill...I'll be shocked if they draft a CB at 12.

Based on visits, the first pick will either be Rashawn Slater or Asante Samuel. Just say'n. The lean would be towards Asante Samuel given the CB pool is lighter than OL.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Based on visits, the first pick will either be Rashawn Slater or Asante Samuel. Just say'n. The lean would be towards Asante Samuel given the CB pool is lighter than OL.

A 3rd round prospect at 12? I would sure hope not.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
A 3rd round prospect at 12? I would sure hope not.

This. Samuel isn't anywhere close to being a Top 25 pick. If they went CB, it'd be someone like Surtain or Farley. You're not taking a nickel corner at #12.