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Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by 49erphan:

I assumed OnTheClock was referring to this:

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/tomsula-49ers-prepared-anthony-davis-departure

Tomsula said the 49ers prepared for Davis' departure by attempting to build depth at the tackle positions -- even while they might not have spoken specifically about the possibility.

"I wouldn't say it was a topic of conversation, but yeah, absolutely," Tomsula answered when asked if the 49ers approached free agency and the draft as if Davis' retirement was a possibility.

It is vague, but as I said in my original post, when I made that posting back in May I was thinking more of how Davis seemed to getting somewhat injury prone which led me to be concerned about the OT backup situation, so what I said wasn't based on speculation about management having an idea he wouldn't return. Even though the quote is vague, it does seem to imply that coaches and management put into their personnel calculations that there was more than a small chance that Davis would not return so I decided to not make an issue of it when responding to OnTheClock (though I'm not sure I would agree with the "strong" characterization in his "strong possibility Davis wouldn't play this season" comment.)

I've gotta believe that they didn't think there was a very big chance that he would retire. Honestly, if I was the GM, and the team just had a pretty disappointing season from the online, and one of their best players from said online is even remotely contemplating retirement, I'm going to make that a pretty high priority heading into the draft, and free agency.

I think we needed to draft o-line help, in the 2nd round, way more than Safety help. And I say that with the thought that they said that They knew Davis might retire.

I wish that we would've drafted that Tackle from LSU. 31 other teams probably do too.

The OT from LSU wouldn't have signed a contract if he wasn't a 100 pick ( wasted draft pick)and he was part of a murder investigation sooooo no one drafted him in 7 rounds because of it.

IF Davis would have retired before Dallas signed Collins we probably would have had a shot at him because he wanted to play OT wth a chance to start.

I'm fine with a player retiring because of injury but there should have been a "2 week notice" ( like letting us know before the draft/FA) on AD's part.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
The OT from LSU wouldn't have signed a contract if he wasn't a 100 pick ( wasted draft pick)and he was part of a murder investigation sooooo no one drafted him in 7 rounds because of it.

IF Davis would have retired before Dallas signed Collins we probably would have had a shot at him because he wanted to play OT wth a chance to start.

I'm fine with a player retiring because of injury but there should have been a "2 week notice" ( like letting us know before the draft/FA) on AD's part.

I agree w/what you are saying.

However, none of us know for sure if he had sent signals to Trent about his misgivings on staying on the team.

IMO, this just didn't happen over night.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

The OT from LSU wouldn't have signed a contract if he wasn't a 100 pick ( wasted draft pick)and he was part of a murder investigation sooooo no one drafted him in 7 rounds because of it.

IF Davis would have retired before Dallas signed Collins we probably would have had a shot at him because he wanted to play OT wth a chance to start.

I'm fine with a player retiring because of injury but there should have been a "2 week notice" ( like letting us know before the draft/FA) on AD's part.

I agree w/what you are saying.

However, none of us know for sure if he had sent signals to Trent about his misgivings on staying on the team.

IMO, this just didn't happen over night.

Agreed

Originally posted by NYniner85:
The OT from LSU wouldn't have signed a contract if he wasn't a 100 pick ( wasted draft pick)and he was part of a murder investigation sooooo no one drafted him in 7 rounds because of it.

IF Davis would have retired before Dallas signed Collins we probably would have had a shot at him because he wanted to play OT wth a chance to start.

I'm fine with a player retiring because of injury but there should have been a "2 week notice" ( like letting us know before the draft/FA) on AD's part.

It came out that the LSU OT was bluffing.

I'm pretty sure that he signed with Dallas as a UDFA.

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

The OT from LSU wouldn't have signed a contract if he wasn't a 100 pick ( wasted draft pick)and he was part of a murder investigation sooooo no one drafted him in 7 rounds because of it.

IF Davis would have retired before Dallas signed Collins we probably would have had a shot at him because he wanted to play OT wth a chance to start.

I'm fine with a player retiring because of injury but there should have been a "2 week notice" ( like letting us know before the draft/FA) on AD's part.

It came out that the LSU OT was bluffing.

I'm pretty sure that he signed with Dallas as a UDFA.

Huh? He said he didn't want to be drafted so he could be a UDFA and could pick whatever team he wanted to be and have a 3 yr deal instead of a 4 yr deal that drafted players get....plus he signed a deal that gave him over a million in guaranteed cash which is a lot of a UDFA ..so he wasn't bluffing

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by 49erphan:

I assumed OnTheClock was referring to this:

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/tomsula-49ers-prepared-anthony-davis-departure

Tomsula said the 49ers prepared for Davis' departure by attempting to build depth at the tackle positions -- even while they might not have spoken specifically about the possibility.

"I wouldn't say it was a topic of conversation, but yeah, absolutely," Tomsula answered when asked if the 49ers approached free agency and the draft as if Davis' retirement was a possibility.

It is vague, but as I said in my original post, when I made that posting back in May I was thinking more of how Davis seemed to getting somewhat injury prone which led me to be concerned about the OT backup situation, so what I said wasn't based on speculation about management having an idea he wouldn't return. Even though the quote is vague, it does seem to imply that coaches and management put into their personnel calculations that there was more than a small chance that Davis would not return so I decided to not make an issue of it when responding to OnTheClock (though I'm not sure I would agree with the "strong" characterization in his "strong possibility Davis wouldn't play this season" comment.)

I've gotta believe that they didn't think there was a very big chance that he would retire. Honestly, if I was the GM, and the team just had a pretty disappointing season from the online, and one of their best players from said online is even remotely contemplating retirement, I'm going to make that a pretty high priority heading into the draft, and free agency.

I think we needed to draft o-line help, in the 2nd round, way more than Safety help. And I say that with the thought that they said that They knew Davis might retire.

I wish that we would've drafted that Tackle from LSU. 31 other teams probably do too.

If the team truly stuck to its board, it doesn't seem like it would've made a difference (and with the picks we made, it's hard to argue Baalke was doing anything other than directly picking the top available on their board). A safety in the 2nd, punter in the 5th, no CB, two TEs, and no OL until the 6th and 7th? Furthermore, we had two ILBs retire, and didn't draft a single one.

Based on that, it doesn't seen to me like we could make any real conclusions about their assessment of "team needs" based on the draft board. To me, it's just how the board fell. Don't think it signifies the notion that we had no idea Anthony Davis might not be healthy and/or play much in 2015-16 and/or that we saw OT as less of a need.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Staley-Thomas-Kilgore-Martin-Boone

Hoping it ends up like this

I'm all in!

Yuuuuuuuuupp!!

Niner Nation on Kilgore

http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/6/10/8740799/49ers-roster-breakdown-2015-daniel-kilgore-90-in-90

Jeff Deeney ‏@PFF_Jeff 2m2 minutes ago

Over the final eight weeks of 2014, Joe Staley had a +18.5 grade, third best among all tackles. Allowed no sacks and just one QB hit. #49ers

Over the final eight weeks of 2014, Alex Boone had a +13.5 grade, sixth best among all guards, and did not allow a sack or QB hit. #49ers



9:13 AM - 11 Jun 2015 · Details

Originally posted by NorthBay49er:
Jeff Deeney ‏@PFF_Jeff 2m2 minutes ago

Over the final eight weeks of 2014, Joe Staley had a +18.5 grade, third best among all tackles. Allowed no sacks and just one QB hit. #49ers

Over the final eight weeks of 2014, Alex Boone had a +13.5 grade, sixth best among all guards, and did not allow a sack or QB hit. #49ers



9:13 AM - 11 Jun 2015 · Details

There are actually some decent points in here:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2492777-why-erik-pears-is-san-francisco-49ers-best-bet-at-right-tackleutm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=san-francisco-49ers

Right now, it seems Boone will replace Iupati. "We're working (Boone) at left guard position," Tomsula said Wednesday afternoon. "You start talking about creating some depth—the stance is the same if you did left tackle, so you're footwork's the same…and he's comfortable there."

Let me translate: Boone is the backup left tackle. The left guard plays with the same footwork as the left tackle. By playing left guard, Boone is preparing himself to take over for Staley if Staley gets hurt. Smart.There's another benefit to playing Boone at left guard. In a gap-blocking scheme, the left guard is the most important run-blocker on the line. He is the puller, the one who runs and blocks on the move.Boone was a terrific puller last season from the right guard position on counter plays. From left guard, he can be the primary puller on power plays.

"We're not solely a zone scheme," Tomsula clarified Wednesday afternoon. Playing Boone at left guard allows the Niners to keep the power plays in the playbook.

"I really like Pears as a right tackle," Tomsula said Wednesday afternoon. "That's what he's played. That's what we've evaluated him most at. I like the way he was moving. But the biggest thing with Pears since he's gotten here is with his weight room, he's bigger and stronger than he's ever been."Pears can hold his ground at the line of scrimmage. No one will push him around—he has been working out in NFL weight-training programs since 2006.

He is much stronger than 22-year old rookie Trent Brown. That won't change overnight.

The 49ers gave up 52 sacks last year. Their right tackles—Davis and Jonathan Martin—gave up nine of those sacks, per Pro Football Focus. Pears never has given up more than four sacks in a season. As a pass protector, he should be an upgrade over Martin and Davis.Pears is the 49ers' best bet at right tackle in 2015.

Yeah if they think Boone is a better fit at LG for our power run plays where he pulls then it looks like our starting OL will be :
Staley- Boone- Kilgore-Martin/Thomas-Pears

Unless Pears bombs at RT then I think he will be the starter there. People were wondering why we paid him so much (2 years, 5.7 mil) now we have our answer. It seems like we had a pretty good idea Davis might retire and Baalke/tomsula felt comfortable with Pears at RT for the next few years while they develop someone. I don't think Boone takes over at RT unless pears sucks or gets injured. Also as the article noted, Pears has never given up more than 4 sacks in a season, our RT spot gave up 9 last year. I actually think Pears will turn out to be a pretty solid short term addition to the line.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NorthBay49er:
Jeff Deeney ‏@PFF_Jeff 2m2 minutes ago

Over the final eight weeks of 2014, Joe Staley had a +18.5 grade, third best among all tackles. Allowed no sacks and just one QB hit. #49ers

Over the final eight weeks of 2014, Alex Boone had a +13.5 grade, sixth best among all guards, and did not allow a sack or QB hit. #49ers



9:13 AM - 11 Jun 2015 · Details

There are actually some decent points in here:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2492777-why-erik-pears-is-san-francisco-49ers-best-bet-at-right-tackleutm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=san-francisco-49ers

Right now, it seems Boone will replace Iupati. "We're working (Boone) at left guard position," Tomsula said Wednesday afternoon. "You start talking about creating some depth—the stance is the same if you did left tackle, so you're footwork's the same…and he's comfortable there."

Let me translate: Boone is the backup left tackle. The left guard plays with the same footwork as the left tackle. By playing left guard, Boone is preparing himself to take over for Staley if Staley gets hurt. Smart.There's another benefit to playing Boone at left guard. In a gap-blocking scheme, the left guard is the most important run-blocker on the line. He is the puller, the one who runs and blocks on the move.Boone was a terrific puller last season from the right guard position on counter plays. From left guard, he can be the primary puller on power plays.

"We're not solely a zone scheme," Tomsula clarified Wednesday afternoon. Playing Boone at left guard allows the Niners to keep the power plays in the playbook.

"I really like Pears as a right tackle," Tomsula said Wednesday afternoon. "That's what he's played. That's what we've evaluated him most at. I like the way he was moving. But the biggest thing with Pears since he's gotten here is with his weight room, he's bigger and stronger than he's ever been."Pears can hold his ground at the line of scrimmage. No one will push him around—he has been working out in NFL weight-training programs since 2006.

He is much stronger than 22-year old rookie Trent Brown. That won't change overnight.

The 49ers gave up 52 sacks last year. Their right tackles—Davis and Jonathan Martin—gave up nine of those sacks, per Pro Football Focus. Pears never has given up more than four sacks in a season. As a pass protector, he should be an upgrade over Martin and Davis.Pears is the 49ers' best bet at right tackle in 2015.

I can't believe Boone was rated that highly after week 8 by PFF. I did not think his play was that stellar, but I didn't watch every play while focusing on Boone so oh well. I question the, "and did not allow a sack or QB hit." stat.
It makes sense to put Boone at LG if Pears can hold down RT. I like that the coaches are still thinking of keeping some power elements in the run game, though that just makes the loss of ADavis sting a bit more. Here's what the article meant by Boone pulling for some Counter plays.

This play is my example of Counter Lead in the Concepts thread.

Hopefully the Staley-Boone side is also better in pass protection, compared to the Staley-Iupati pairing. It'd give Kaep some comfort on his blind side.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NorthBay49er:
Jeff Deeney ‏@PFF_Jeff 2m2 minutes ago

Over the final eight weeks of 2014, Joe Staley had a +18.5 grade, third best among all tackles. Allowed no sacks and just one QB hit. #49ers

Over the final eight weeks of 2014, Alex Boone had a +13.5 grade, sixth best among all guards, and did not allow a sack or QB hit. #49ers



9:13 AM - 11 Jun 2015 · Details

There are actually some decent points in here:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2492777-why-erik-pears-is-san-francisco-49ers-best-bet-at-right-tackleutm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=san-francisco-49ers

Right now, it seems Boone will replace Iupati. "We're working (Boone) at left guard position," Tomsula said Wednesday afternoon. "You start talking about creating some depth—the stance is the same if you did left tackle, so you're footwork's the same…and he's comfortable there."

Let me translate: Boone is the backup left tackle. The left guard plays with the same footwork as the left tackle. By playing left guard, Boone is preparing himself to take over for Staley if Staley gets hurt. Smart.There's another benefit to playing Boone at left guard. In a gap-blocking scheme, the left guard is the most important run-blocker on the line. He is the puller, the one who runs and blocks on the move.Boone was a terrific puller last season from the right guard position on counter plays. From left guard, he can be the primary puller on power plays.

"We're not solely a zone scheme," Tomsula clarified Wednesday afternoon. Playing Boone at left guard allows the Niners to keep the power plays in the playbook.

"I really like Pears as a right tackle," Tomsula said Wednesday afternoon. "That's what he's played. That's what we've evaluated him most at. I like the way he was moving. But the biggest thing with Pears since he's gotten here is with his weight room, he's bigger and stronger than he's ever been."Pears can hold his ground at the line of scrimmage. No one will push him around—he has been working out in NFL weight-training programs since 2006.

He is much stronger than 22-year old rookie Trent Brown. That won't change overnight.

The 49ers gave up 52 sacks last year. Their right tackles—Davis and Jonathan Martin—gave up nine of those sacks, per Pro Football Focus. Pears never has given up more than four sacks in a season. As a pass protector, he should be an upgrade over Martin and Davis.Pears is the 49ers' best bet at right tackle in 2015.

I can't believe Boone was rated that highly after week 8 by PFF. I did not think his play was that stellar, but I didn't watch every play while focusing on Boone so oh well. I question the, "and did not allow a sack or QB hit." stat.
It makes sense to put Boone at LG if Pears can hold down RT. I like that the coaches are still thinking of keeping some power elements in the run game, though that just makes the loss of ADavis sting a bit more. Here's what the article meant by Boone pulling for some Counter plays.

This play is my example of Counter Lead in the Concepts thread.

Yeah, what WRATH and I learned about PFF in evaluating the OL is that to take those grades with a grain of salt...right about 50% of the time. You can see patterns too...meaning it appears one guy may be evaluating one OL...if he's a quality evaluator, the grades makes sense...if not, they are consistently poor.

this play also shows that we can run it and be very very good when we line up the HB deep instead of handing the ball to him for a quick trap or those power blasts.