49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I understand what starts and snap counts are. I referenced them because those numbers are 'on paper'. What I am asking you to do is support your claim that Moore and Banks are a better guard tandem than half or 2/3 of the teams in the league 'on paper'. It's an absolutely unsupportable and ridiculous claim, and I mean that in the least disrespectful way possible, lol.

These players have almost nothing 'on paper' outside of draft position.

Since you don't follow this thread you didn't understand the tongue in cheek nature of the post.

I DONT ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT. I want to see players play. I don't decide their talent level based on draft position.

Looking forward to your player evaluations this off season and how they compare to the rest of the NFL..

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
But when he didn't have pressure (a lot of the game) he didn't deliver.

Show us this.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Do you really believe that we win that game with the Rams OL?

You tell me. It's your hypothetical. And since you didn't read:

However, when it came to the post season, things were very different. Pff had LAR ranked 4th, giving up a pressure on 18.8% of their pass snaps. SF on the otherhand were ranked 13th (out of 14), giving up a pressure on 41.8% of their pass snaps.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
But when he didn't have pressure (a lot of the game) he didn't deliver.

Show us this.

Looking at the numbers in the post season. Jimmy's numbers with a clean pocket were 47 dropbacks, 66% completion, 2 TD's, 0 int's with 108.7 passer rating and a 2.28 TTT. Jimmy's numbers while under pressure were 33 dropbacks, 44.4% completion, 0 TD's, 3 int's with a 16.8 passer rating and a 3.40 TTT.

get this man on Nick Bosas leg day workout.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
But when he didn't have pressure (a lot of the game) he didn't deliver.

Show us this.

Looking at the numbers in the post season. Jimmy's numbers with a clean pocket were 47 dropbacks, 66% completion, 2 TD's, 0 int's with 108.7 passer rating and a 2.28 TTT. Jimmy's numbers while under pressure were 33 dropbacks, 44.4% completion, 0 TD's, 3 int's with a 16.8 passer rating and a 3.40 TTT.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

McGlinchey putting in work 😤 pic.twitter.com/lI9xRfGglV

— 49ers on NBCS (@NBCS49ers) July 27, 2022

get this man on Nick Bosas leg day workout.

Great freaking sign!

Correct me if I am wrong but if a pure pocket passer has a higher TTT when under pressure than with a clean pocket, wouldn't that mean that he was holding the ball too long?

Dear god somebody get MM to a buffet

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Correct me if I am wrong but if a pure pocket passer has a higher TTT when under pressure than with a clean pocket, wouldn't that mean that he was holding the ball too long?

You're crushing it in this thread! So much educational stuff. TY.

Hmm, you may want to look at AY (ADOT) as well. If the depths are further that may be an indication the offensive style is to target intermediate zones so holding it a tad longer would make sense. That's Stafford to me.

If it's a higher TTT but shorter AY, that might be an indication he's holding it too long (indecisive) and then just checking down. Because if it was a style (like us), the QB would be top 5 in TTT for shorter AY (e.g. relying on high % passes with maximum RAC).

Originally posted by NCommand:
Huh? When Aaron Rodgers is standing back there for 10s that doesn't make for good QB play? When Brady isn't touched in a Superbowl, that's doesn't lead to better QB play? LOL

No because Rodgers and Brady have to still make the damn throws.

Last play of 9ers Packers game Rodgers has time to throw and he goes to a double covered Adams instead of a wide open guy. That's not on the Pack OL.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Looking forward to your player evaluations this off season and how they compare to the rest of the NFL..

Well you don't really care about rest of nfl I thought.

Originally posted by NCommand:
They were 4 the year before.

You mean when Brees was there?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Correct me if I am wrong but if a pure pocket passer has a higher TTT when under pressure than with a clean pocket, wouldn't that mean that he was holding the ball too long?

You're crushing it in this thread! So much educational stuff. TY.

Hmm, you may want to look at AY (ADOT) as well. If the depths are further that may be an indication the offensive style is to target intermediate zones so holding it a tad longer would make sense. That's Stafford to me.

If it's a higher TTT but shorter AY, that might be an indication he's holding it too long (indecisive) and then just checking down. Because if it was a style (like us), the QB would be top 5 in TTT for shorter AY (e.g. relying on high % passes with maximum RAC).

Jimmy had a 6.2 ADOT with a clean pocket and a 6.0 ADOT while under pressure.

Also, he only scrambled twice on those 33 under pressure dropbacks.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Correct me if I am wrong but if a pure pocket passer has a higher TTT when under pressure than with a clean pocket, wouldn't that mean that he was holding the ball too long?

You're crushing it in this thread! So much educational stuff. TY.

Hmm, you may want to look at AY (ADOT) as well. If the depths are further that may be an indication the offensive style is to target intermediate zones so holding it a tad longer would make sense. That's Stafford to me.

If it's a higher TTT but shorter AY, that might be an indication he's holding it too long (indecisive) and then just checking down. Because if it was a style (like us), the QB would be top 5 in TTT for shorter AY (e.g. relying on high % passes with maximum RAC).

Jimmy had a 6.2 ADOT with a clean pocket and a 6.0 ADOT while under pressure.

Also, he only scrambled twice on those 33 under pressure dropbacks.

I was just going to say, Jimmy seems to target the same shorter-intermediate zones whether he's pressured or not. He rarely if ever, throws short, scrambles or throws away.

I don't know if that's a product of lack of athleticism + trusting the play call no matter what or what that is.

Thoughts?