49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

You know, if you just want to take over this whole thread from here on out, I'll happily oblige.

Those are eye opening statistics.

There are a few things that really stood out to me. Joe Burrow was good enough under pressure to make the SB. We all pretty much knew that. Mac Jones was actually pretty solid under pressure. Big Ben and Tom Brady aren't what they used to be.

The 41.3% pressure rating on Jimmy is disappointing. I don't remember if Trent was hurt in the Dallas game or not, but I think he played more than one post season game hurt? Anyway, that 41.3% can't happen in the playoffs - if the 49ers want to have a shot at the 🏆'th Lombardi.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Puts Mac numbers into better context for sure.

Sure. But than look at Derek Carr. The top 4 QB passer ratings also have the top 4 average depth of target with respectably low pressure rates. Meaning, those O lines were pretty solid in PP.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

You know, if you just want to take over this whole thread from here on out, I'll happily oblige.

Those are eye opening statistics.

There are a few things that really stood out to me. Joe Burrow was good enough under pressure to make the SB. We all pretty much knew that. Mac Jones was actually pretty solid under pressure. Big Ben and Tom Brady aren't what they used to be.

The 41.3% pressure rating on Jimmy is disappointing. I don't remember if Trent was hurt in the Dallas game or not, but I think he played more than one post season game hurt? Anyway, that 41.3% can't happen in the playoffs - if the 49ers want to have a shot at the 🏆'th Lombardi.

Trent played well in both the DAL and GB game. He was credited with 1 pressure in each game which was slightly above his regular season average. Tom Compton and Laken Tomlinson both gave up 9 pressures each. Daniel Brunskill gave up 5 and Alex Mack gave up 3.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Puts Mac numbers into better context for sure.

Sure. But than look at Derek Carr. The top 4 QB passer ratings also have the top 4 average depth of target with respectably low pressure rates. Meaning, those O lines were pretty solid in PP.

You'd think this concept would be incredibly easy for a 49er fan to understand given the FO has thrown every resource possible over 6 years at building up a DL...that generates non-stop pressure on a QB.

It's for good reason!

PS: This is a general statement...not aimed at any one person here.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

You know, if you just want to take over this whole thread from here on out, I'll happily oblige.

Those are eye opening statistics.

There are a few things that really stood out to me. Joe Burrow was good enough under pressure to make the SB. We all pretty much knew that. Mac Jones was actually pretty solid under pressure. Big Ben and Tom Brady aren't what they used to be.

The 41.3% pressure rating on Jimmy is disappointing. I don't remember if Trent was hurt in the Dallas game or not, but I think he played more than one post season game hurt? Anyway, that 41.3% can't happen in the playoffs - if the 49ers want to have a shot at the 🏆'th Lombardi.

Trent played well in both the DAL and GB game. He was credited with 1 pressure in each game which was slightly above his regular season average. Tom Compton and Laken Tomlinson both gave up 9 pressures each. Daniel Brunskill gave up 5 and Alex Mack gave up 3.

I think in this particular game, Trey's mobility would have been a factor in helping that pressure rate. The rams had Von coming in from the edge and Donald coming in from the interior. That's going to give any OLine problems. When the 49ers played NY Giants and Lawrence Taylor in the NFCCG - Joe's mobility really did help a lot to neutralized Lawrence Taylor's pass rush.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

You know, if you just want to take over this whole thread from here on out, I'll happily oblige.

Those are eye opening statistics.

There are a few things that really stood out to me. Joe Burrow was good enough under pressure to make the SB. We all pretty much knew that. Mac Jones was actually pretty solid under pressure. Big Ben and Tom Brady aren't what they used to be.

The 41.3% pressure rating on Jimmy is disappointing. I don't remember if Trent was hurt in the Dallas game or not, but I think he played more than one post season game hurt? Anyway, that 41.3% can't happen in the playoffs - if the 49ers want to have a shot at the 🏆'th Lombardi.

Trent played well in both the DAL and GB game. He was credited with 1 pressure in each game which was slightly above his regular season average. Tom Compton and Laken Tomlinson both gave up 9 pressures each. Daniel Brunskill gave up 5 and Alex Mack gave up 3.

I think in this particular game, Trey's mobility would have been a factor in helping that pressure rate. The rams had Von coming in from the edge and Donald coming in from the interior. That's going to give any OLine problems. When the 49ers played NY Giants and Lawrence Taylor in the NFCCG - Joe's mobility really did help a lot to neutralized Lawrence Taylor's pass rush.

Not on the pressure rate % stats. Only on what he does after he's pressured.

Trey...Jimmy...Montana...Young...you don't want ANY 49ers QB pressured that much.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

You know, if you just want to take over this whole thread from here on out, I'll happily oblige.

Those are eye opening statistics.

There are a few things that really stood out to me. Joe Burrow was good enough under pressure to make the SB. We all pretty much knew that. Mac Jones was actually pretty solid under pressure. Big Ben and Tom Brady aren't what they used to be.

The 41.3% pressure rating on Jimmy is disappointing. I don't remember if Trent was hurt in the Dallas game or not, but I think he played more than one post season game hurt? Anyway, that 41.3% can't happen in the playoffs - if the 49ers want to have a shot at the 🏆'th Lombardi.

Trent played well in both the DAL and GB game. He was credited with 1 pressure in each game which was slightly above his regular season average. Tom Compton and Laken Tomlinson both gave up 9 pressures each. Daniel Brunskill gave up 5 and Alex Mack gave up 3.

I think in this particular game, Trey's mobility would have been a factor in helping that pressure rate. The rams had Von coming in from the edge and Donald coming in from the interior. That's going to give any OLine problems. When the 49ers played NY Giants and Lawrence Taylor in the NFCCG - Joe's mobility really did help a lot to neutralized Lawrence Taylor's pass rush.

Not on the pressure rate % stats. Only on what he does after he's pressured.

Trey...Jimmy...Montana...Young...you don't want ANY 49ers QB pressured that much.

Until I see how they grade the stats, I'm skeptical. A lot of these advanced stats are too subjective in my view. Point is, the 41% pressure rate, how is that actually graded and differentiated from a (for example) blitz vs a missed handoff on a tackle/end twist? Jimmy was pretty high up there when blitzed QB ratings-wise, but then he's pressured and his numbers drop drastically? I do know that Trent was injured, and so the OLine is limited in sliding the protections one way or the other with a one legged Trent. Add in the fact that the Ram's DLine was a one time bought and paid for mercenary DLine unlike the 49er DLine, and I have a lot of salt I'm depositing for these so called stats.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

You know, if you just want to take over this whole thread from here on out, I'll happily oblige.

Those are eye opening statistics.

There are a few things that really stood out to me. Joe Burrow was good enough under pressure to make the SB. We all pretty much knew that. Mac Jones was actually pretty solid under pressure. Big Ben and Tom Brady aren't what they used to be.

The 41.3% pressure rating on Jimmy is disappointing. I don't remember if Trent was hurt in the Dallas game or not, but I think he played more than one post season game hurt? Anyway, that 41.3% can't happen in the playoffs - if the 49ers want to have a shot at the 🏆'th Lombardi.

Trent played well in both the DAL and GB game. He was credited with 1 pressure in each game which was slightly above his regular season average. Tom Compton and Laken Tomlinson both gave up 9 pressures each. Daniel Brunskill gave up 5 and Alex Mack gave up 3.

I think in this particular game, Trey's mobility would have been a factor in helping that pressure rate. The rams had Von coming in from the edge and Donald coming in from the interior. That's going to give any OLine problems. When the 49ers played NY Giants and Lawrence Taylor in the NFCCG - Joe's mobility really did help a lot to neutralized Lawrence Taylor's pass rush.

Not on the pressure rate % stats. Only on what he does after he's pressured.

Trey...Jimmy...Montana...Young...you don't want ANY 49ers QB pressured that much.

Until I see how they grade the stats, I'm skeptical. A lot of these advanced stats are too subjective in my view. Point is, the 41% pressure rate, how is that actually graded and differentiated from a (for example) blitz vs a missed handoff on a tackle/end twist? Jimmy was pretty high up there when blitzed QB ratings-wise, but then he's pressured and his numbers drop drastically? I do know that Trent was injured, and so the OLine is limited in sliding the protections one way or the other with a one legged Trent. Add in the fact that the Ram's DLine was a one time bought and paid for mercenary DLine unlike the 49er DLine, and I have a lot of salt I'm depositing for these so called stats.

If you have a better way of objectively grading the O line, I would love to see the data. I am in no way biased toward pff or any other premium stats sites. No one else was really giving any real info in this thread and the conversation was heavily opinion based. I don't care about being right. I just wanted to see some evidence to what NC was saying and by my surprise, I was completely turned around by what I have found so far.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

You know, if you just want to take over this whole thread from here on out, I'll happily oblige.

Those are eye opening statistics.

There are a few things that really stood out to me. Joe Burrow was good enough under pressure to make the SB. We all pretty much knew that. Mac Jones was actually pretty solid under pressure. Big Ben and Tom Brady aren't what they used to be.

The 41.3% pressure rating on Jimmy is disappointing. I don't remember if Trent was hurt in the Dallas game or not, but I think he played more than one post season game hurt? Anyway, that 41.3% can't happen in the playoffs - if the 49ers want to have a shot at the 🏆'th Lombardi.

Trent played well in both the DAL and GB game. He was credited with 1 pressure in each game which was slightly above his regular season average. Tom Compton and Laken Tomlinson both gave up 9 pressures each. Daniel Brunskill gave up 5 and Alex Mack gave up 3.

I think in this particular game, Trey's mobility would have been a factor in helping that pressure rate. The rams had Von coming in from the edge and Donald coming in from the interior. That's going to give any OLine problems. When the 49ers played NY Giants and Lawrence Taylor in the NFCCG - Joe's mobility really did help a lot to neutralized Lawrence Taylor's pass rush.

Not on the pressure rate % stats. Only on what he does after he's pressured.

Trey...Jimmy...Montana...Young...you don't want ANY 49ers QB pressured that much.

Until I see how they grade the stats, I'm skeptical. A lot of these advanced stats are too subjective in my view. Point is, the 41% pressure rate, how is that actually graded and differentiated from a (for example) blitz vs a missed handoff on a tackle/end twist? Jimmy was pretty high up there when blitzed QB ratings-wise, but then he's pressured and his numbers drop drastically? I do know that Trent was injured, and so the OLine is limited in sliding the protections one way or the other with a one legged Trent. Add in the fact that the Ram's DLine was a one time bought and paid for mercenary DLine unlike the 49er DLine, and I have a lot of salt I'm depositing for these so called stats.

Pressure rate isn't super hard to determine. There is going to be a tad subjectivity in it though.

Start with only passing downs. Then, is he moved off his spot? And when? Under 3s or over 3s? Does it force him to speed up his delivery, throw early, scramble, rush up through a hole, side step, shuffle, etc.?

Pretty much any duress under some operational definition on time. Then after that point, it's on the QB...not on the OL.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
If you have a better way of objectively grading the O line, I would love to see the data. I am in no way biased toward pff or any other premium stats sites. No one else was really giving any real info in this thread and the conversation was heavily opinion based. I don't care about being right. I just wanted to see some evidence to what NC was saying and by my surprise, I was completely turned around by what I have found so far.

Jonnydel was in your camp too originally and then he started breaking down the film and started to see it too. I don't blame fans for not really watching an OL. Haha. But after years of evidence in here...welp.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
If you have a better way of objectively grading the O line, I would love to see the data. I am in no way biased toward pff or any other premium stats sites. No one else was really giving any real info in this thread and the conversation was heavily opinion based. I don't care about being right. I just wanted to see some evidence to what NC was saying and by my surprise, I was completely turned around by what I have found so far.

Jonnydel was in your camp too originally and then he started breaking down the film and started to see it too. I don't blame fans for not really watching an OL. Haha. But after years of evidence in here...welp.

paper lies, film doesn't and OL wasn't the main issue in the NFCCG.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

You know, if you just want to take over this whole thread from here on out, I'll happily oblige.

Those are eye opening statistics.

There are a few things that really stood out to me. Joe Burrow was good enough under pressure to make the SB. We all pretty much knew that. Mac Jones was actually pretty solid under pressure. Big Ben and Tom Brady aren't what they used to be.

The 41.3% pressure rating on Jimmy is disappointing. I don't remember if Trent was hurt in the Dallas game or not, but I think he played more than one post season game hurt? Anyway, that 41.3% can't happen in the playoffs - if the 49ers want to have a shot at the 🏆'th Lombardi.

Trent played well in both the DAL and GB game. He was credited with 1 pressure in each game which was slightly above his regular season average. Tom Compton and Laken Tomlinson both gave up 9 pressures each. Daniel Brunskill gave up 5 and Alex Mack gave up 3.

I think in this particular game, Trey's mobility would have been a factor in helping that pressure rate. The rams had Von coming in from the edge and Donald coming in from the interior. That's going to give any OLine problems. When the 49ers played NY Giants and Lawrence Taylor in the NFCCG - Joe's mobility really did help a lot to neutralized Lawrence Taylor's pass rush.

Not on the pressure rate % stats. Only on what he does after he's pressured.

Trey...Jimmy...Montana...Young...you don't want ANY 49ers QB pressured that much.

Until I see how they grade the stats, I'm skeptical. A lot of these advanced stats are too subjective in my view. Point is, the 41% pressure rate, how is that actually graded and differentiated from a (for example) blitz vs a missed handoff on a tackle/end twist? Jimmy was pretty high up there when blitzed QB ratings-wise, but then he's pressured and his numbers drop drastically? I do know that Trent was injured, and so the OLine is limited in sliding the protections one way or the other with a one legged Trent. Add in the fact that the Ram's DLine was a one time bought and paid for mercenary DLine unlike the 49er DLine, and I have a lot of salt I'm depositing for these so called stats.

Pressure rate isn't super hard to determine. There is going to be a tad subjectivity in it though.

Start with only passing downs. Then, is he moved off his spot? And when? Under 3s or over 3s? Does it force him to speed up his delivery, throw early, scramble, rush up through a hole, side step, shuffle, etc.?

Pretty much any duress under some operational definition on time. Then after that point, it's on the QB...not on the OL.

Imo, as long as the grading system is consistent across all teams, it should be adequate enough to use to make a point or help tell a story.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
If you have a better way of objectively grading the O line, I would love to see the data. I am in no way biased toward pff or any other premium stats sites. No one else was really giving any real info in this thread and the conversation was heavily opinion based. I don't care about being right. I just wanted to see some evidence to what NC was saying and by my surprise, I was completely turned around by what I have found so far.

Jonnydel was in your camp too originally and then he started breaking down the film and started to see it too. I don't blame fans for not really watching an OL. Haha. But after years of evidence in here...welp.

paper lies, film doesn't and OL wasn't the main issue in the NFCCG.

I will

You might want to watch some film.

No, it was A reason though.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

You know, if you just want to take over this whole thread from here on out, I'll happily oblige.

Those are eye opening statistics.

There are a few things that really stood out to me. Joe Burrow was good enough under pressure to make the SB. We all pretty much knew that. Mac Jones was actually pretty solid under pressure. Big Ben and Tom Brady aren't what they used to be.

The 41.3% pressure rating on Jimmy is disappointing. I don't remember if Trent was hurt in the Dallas game or not, but I think he played more than one post season game hurt? Anyway, that 41.3% can't happen in the playoffs - if the 49ers want to have a shot at the 🏆'th Lombardi.

Trent played well in both the DAL and GB game. He was credited with 1 pressure in each game which was slightly above his regular season average. Tom Compton and Laken Tomlinson both gave up 9 pressures each. Daniel Brunskill gave up 5 and Alex Mack gave up 3.

I think in this particular game, Trey's mobility would have been a factor in helping that pressure rate. The rams had Von coming in from the edge and Donald coming in from the interior. That's going to give any OLine problems. When the 49ers played NY Giants and Lawrence Taylor in the NFCCG - Joe's mobility really did help a lot to neutralized Lawrence Taylor's pass rush.

Not on the pressure rate % stats. Only on what he does after he's pressured.

Trey...Jimmy...Montana...Young...you don't want ANY 49ers QB pressured that much.

Until I see how they grade the stats, I'm skeptical. A lot of these advanced stats are too subjective in my view. Point is, the 41% pressure rate, how is that actually graded and differentiated from a (for example) blitz vs a missed handoff on a tackle/end twist? Jimmy was pretty high up there when blitzed QB ratings-wise, but then he's pressured and his numbers drop drastically? I do know that Trent was injured, and so the OLine is limited in sliding the protections one way or the other with a one legged Trent. Add in the fact that the Ram's DLine was a one time bought and paid for mercenary DLine unlike the 49er DLine, and I have a lot of salt I'm depositing for these so called stats.

Pressure rate isn't super hard to determine. There is going to be a tad subjectivity in it though.

Start with only passing downs. Then, is he moved off his spot? And when? Under 3s or over 3s? Does it force him to speed up his delivery, throw early, scramble, rush up through a hole, side step, shuffle, etc.?

Pretty much any duress under some operational definition on time. Then after that point, it's on the QB...not on the OL.

Imo, as long as the grading system is consistent across all teams, it should be adequate enough to use to make a point or help tell a story.

No question.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
If you have a better way of objectively grading the O line, I would love to see the data. I am in no way biased toward pff or any other premium stats sites. No one else was really giving any real info in this thread and the conversation was heavily opinion based. I don't care about being right. I just wanted to see some evidence to what NC was saying and by my surprise, I was completely turned around by what I have found so far.

Jonnydel was in your camp too originally and then he started breaking down the film and started to see it too. I don't blame fans for not really watching an OL. Haha. But after years of evidence in here...welp.

paper lies, film doesn't and OL wasn't the main issue in the NFCCG.

So do the eyes. What you see isn't always what everyone else sees. Its okay to have an opinion. Having some objectivity is also a good thing. Hell, I am still under the impression that if Jimmy capitalized on the plays that were there to be made, we would have won easily, inspite of the poor O line play.