49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
thats the part where i said the paper lies and doesn't tell the whole story.

it's no miracle we gave up 2 total sacks the entire playoffs.. with the "high pressure rate", jimmy should be in a wheel chair

Thought it was 4 but even so Cincy gave up 19. Hard to reconcile all pressures being equal when some turn into sacks while some are just an incompletion and even some get turned into positive plays.

You all are hung up on the wrong thing. It doesn't matter whether the play turned into a positive. We are not talking about the offense as a whole. We are simply trying to isolate the O line play in order to judge their performance compared to the other 13 playoff O lines. To put it into perspective. CIN averaged 42 pass snaps per game in the playoffs. The 49ers averaged 27 pass snaps per game in the playoffs. Inspite of a poor running game, Jimmy wasn't asked to throw the ball nearly as much. The O line was simply not good enough and yes, neither was Jimmy.

not good enough is not us winning in the playoffs not leading 3/4s of the NFCCG. the film shows jimmy hesitating and creating his own pressure. The plays and the open options are there

Stafford didn't hesitate on his short throws to counter the rush, jimmy did. that is the difference in the game when it counted

Originally posted by YACBros85:
If you have a better way of objectively grading the O line, I would love to see the data. I am in no way biased toward pff or any other premium stats sites. No one else was really giving any real info in this thread and the conversation was heavily opinion based. I don't care about being right. I just wanted to see some evidence to what NC was saying and by my surprise, I was completely turned around by what I have found so far.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So do the eyes. What you see isn't always what everyone else sees. Its okay to have an opinion. Having some objectivity is also a good thing. Hell, I am still under the impression that if Jimmy capitalized on the plays that were there to be made, we would have won easily, inspite of the poor O line play.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Imo, as long as the grading system is consistent across all teams, it should be adequate enough to use to make a point or help tell a story.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
But for the sake of debate on a football forum you need more than just "take my word for it" opinions to have any worthwhile discussion.

Originally posted by ModestoNiner33:
Just read that Ryan Jensen got carted off in Bucs camp. If we're gonna make a move for a free agent center we might have to do it soon.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Ryan Jensen just went down for Bucs and being carted off. He threw his helmet, which is not a good sign.

— Pete Prisco (@PriscoCBS) July 28, 2022

ut oh put Brady in a body bag…season is over

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So here are the numbers by sack rate. I am sure a couple of you will find a way to move the goal posts again though. But here you go.

what does this supposed to show ?

JC. I honestly don't care if anyone's opinion is swayed. You all will believe what you want inspite of the evidence put in front of you anyway. So I am just wasting my time. Good day.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by ModestoNiner33:
Just read that Ryan Jensen got carted off in Bucs camp. If we're gonna make a move for a free agent center we might have to do it soon.

Tough break for Tampa Bay

Originally posted by YACBros85:
You all are hung up on the wrong thing. It doesn't matter whether the play turned into a positive. We are not talking about the offense as a whole. We are simply trying to isolate the O line play in order to judge their performance compared to the other 13 playoff O lines. To put it into perspective. CIN averaged 42 pass snaps per game in the playoffs. The 49ers averaged 27 pass snaps per game in the playoffs. Inspite of a poor running game, Jimmy wasn't asked to throw the ball nearly as much. The O line was simply not good enough and yes, neither was Jimmy.

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

Have to wonder if the Bucs might tap into John Lynch's "ready list" at center before the 49ers can get to it. https://t.co/waGQkGPrJx

— Matt Barrows (@mattbarrows) July 28, 2022

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Ryan Jensen just went down for Bucs and being carted off. He threw his helmet, which is not a good sign.

— Pete Prisco (@PriscoCBS) July 28, 2022

ut oh put Brady in a body bag…season is over

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So here are the numbers by sack rate. I am sure a couple of you will find a way to move the goal posts again though. But here you go.

what does this supposed to show ?

JC. I honestly don't care if anyone's opinion is swayed. You all will believe what you want inspite of the evidence put in front of you anyway. So I am just wasting my time. Good day.

For the record, I dont think they were taking A shot, it was a sincere question what exactly is this stat? Is this percent times sacked per drop back? is it adjusted in anyway?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
You all are hung up on the wrong thing. It doesn't matter whether the play turned into a positive. We are not talking about the offense as a whole. We are simply trying to isolate the O line play in order to judge their performance compared to the other 13 playoff O lines. To put it into perspective. CIN averaged 42 pass snaps per game in the playoffs. The 49ers averaged 27 pass snaps per game in the playoffs. Inspite of a poor running game, Jimmy wasn't asked to throw the ball nearly as much. The O line was simply not good enough and yes, neither was Jimmy.

Sack rate can do that to some degree as well since those are the most negative plays you can have beyond a turnover. Comes down to was it an individual players fault or were there other factors. No different than a pressure.

O line wasn't good enough. Never been a debate. Just don't think pressure rate by itself tells the whole story. No stat will because there are so many variables involved in every play.

What did PFF think about our secondary as a whole?

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by ModestoNiner33:
Just read that Ryan Jensen got carted off in Bucs camp. If we're gonna make a move for a free agent center we might have to do it soon.

Tough break for Tampa Bay

screw them.. you have one favorite team and then you hate everyone else