Originally posted by Hysterikal:i enjoyed it in 85, 89 and 94. i also enjoy watching us bring out the worse in green bay in big games. i enjoyed the super bowl win over denver very much
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by ModestoNiner33:
Just read that Ryan Jensen got carted off in Bucs camp. If we're gonna make a move for a free agent center we might have to do it soon.
Tough break for Tampa Bay
screw them.. you have one favorite team and then you hate everyone else
I like competition. Not much enjoyment watching a mountain lion kill a rabbit.
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Jul 28, 2022 at 8:36 AM
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Jul 28, 2022 at 8:38 AM
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Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by YACBros85:what does this supposed to show ?
So here are the numbers by sack rate. I am sure a couple of you will find a way to move the goal posts again though. But here you go.
JC. I honestly don't care if anyone's opinion is swayed. You all will believe what you want inspite of the evidence put in front of you anyway. So I am just wasting my time. Good day.
For the record, I dont think they were taking A shot, it was a sincere question what exactly is this stat? Is this percent times sacked per drop back? is it adjusted in anyway?
Sack rate is sacks divided by dropbacks. I was using pressures but someone in here said that wasn't good enough because pressures aren't neccessarily a negative play for the O line. It doesn't matter what metrics you use, the results end up being pretty much the same. Poor O line play plus poor QB play resulted in us going home early. The biggest culprits were Laken Tomlinson, Tom Compton and Jimmy G. Two of the three are gone and the other is on his way out the door.
Eye opening how often Brady and especially Rodgers are getting turfed, expected Burrow because they protecting him with two turnstiles and some toilet paper strung between. Also wild that Big Ben who made a career on eating a ham sandwich during his drop back must have sped up his process some to avoid hits, that can't all be line with the way he held the rock for years.
Jul 28, 2022 at 8:44 AM
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Originally posted by YACBros85:
I could could go into that for the next two weeks in the secondary thread, if you like? But this is the O line thread.
Also, I used other statistics to help paint a picture as well but they were mostly ignored.
I never ignored it. I just don't think it paints the picture others want to use that if we had the Rams pressure rate it woud've been a gamechanger. It was a gamechanger for Stafford, Allen and Mahomes because they are considerably better than our guy. No way am i gonna buy a 16% pressure rate difference makes an 84 point difference in qb rating. Also not gonna buy it was all because of the O line and McVay. Stafford was the best guy against the blitz all NFL season.
I feel you have been consistent and actually mean what you say that it was everyones fault. If you feel it was more the fault of the O line than Jimmy i'm even fine with that because you are a good faith actor on this subject.
To put in perspective, if Jimmy hits Sanders with the deep ball in the SB theres a good chance the 9ers win. Then suddenly the same O line with the same pressure rate does what is being said they couldn't do. Thats where this whole disconnect comes from. That and calling every unit a failure because a SB wasn't won.
Jul 28, 2022 at 8:45 AM
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Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I like competition. Not much enjoyment watching a mountain lion kill a rabbit.
If it's Seattle that rabbit needs to be torn to shreds. Otherwise I agree.
Jul 28, 2022 at 8:48 AM
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Originally posted by PhillyNiner:i mean in 2019 jimmy was saclked more than 2021 .. and 0 sacks in the NFCCG. i just didn't understand the individual post as it wasn't quoted with another post
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by YACBros85:what does this supposed to show ?
So here are the numbers by sack rate. I am sure a couple of you will find a way to move the goal posts again though. But here you go.
JC. I honestly don't care if anyone's opinion is swayed. You all will believe what you want inspite of the evidence put in front of you anyway. So I am just wasting my time. Good day.
For the record, I dont think they were taking A shot, it was a sincere question what exactly is this stat? Is this percent times sacked per drop back? is it adjusted in anyway?
Sack rate is sacks divided by dropbacks. I was using pressures but someone in here said that wasn't good enough because pressures aren't neccessarily a negative play for the O line. It doesn't matter what metrics you use, the results end up being pretty much the same. Poor O line play plus poor QB play resulted in us going home early. The biggest culprits were Laken Tomlinson, Tom Compton and Jimmy G. Two of the three are gone and the other is on his way out the door.
Eye opening how often Brady and especially Rodgers are getting turfed, expected Burrow because they protecting him with two turnstiles and some toilet paper strung between. Also wild that Big Ben who made a career on eating a ham sandwich during his drop back must have sped up his process some to avoid hits, that can't all be line with the way he held the rock for years.
Jul 28, 2022 at 8:58 AM
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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
You all are hung up on the wrong thing. It doesn't matter whether the play turned into a positive. We are not talking about the offense as a whole. We are simply trying to isolate the O line play in order to judge their performance compared to the other 13 playoff O lines. To put it into perspective. CIN averaged 42 pass snaps per game in the playoffs. The 49ers averaged 27 pass snaps per game in the playoffs. Inspite of a poor running game, Jimmy wasn't asked to throw the ball nearly as much. The O line was simply not good enough and yes, neither was Jimmy.
Sack rate can do that to some degree as well since those are the most negative plays you can have beyond a turnover. Comes down to was it an individual players fault or were there other factors. No different than a pressure.
O line wasn't good enough. Never been a debate. Just don't think pressure rate by itself tells the whole story. No stat will because there are so many variables involved in every play.
What did PFF think about our secondary as a whole?
Haha. I've got 2K pages that say otherwise. Glad you're turning the corner some.
BTW: While pressure rate doesn't tell you the whole story, it does show a strong correlation to success no matter the QB or his style of play. Less pressure = more success. More pressure = less success.
Our entire team building philosophy is 100% dialed into this philosophy. And for good reason. Bring the pressure...in waves and don't stop.
If you want to add more context like the PxP breakdown I added, that's cool too.
[ Edited by NCommand on Jul 28, 2022 at 8:59 AM ]
Jul 28, 2022 at 8:58 AM
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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I could could go into that for the next two weeks in the secondary thread, if you like? But this is the O line thread.
Also, I used other statistics to help paint a picture as well but they were mostly ignored.
I never ignored it. I just don't think it paints the picture others want to use that if we had the Rams pressure rate it woud've been a gamechanger. It was a gamechanger for Stafford, Allen and Mahomes because they are considerably better than our guy. No way am i gonna buy a 16% pressure rate difference makes an 84 point difference in qb rating. Also not gonna buy it was all because of the O line and McVay. Stafford was the best guy against the blitz all NFL season.
I feel you have been consistent and actually mean what you say that it was everyones fault. If you feel it was more the fault of the O line than Jimmy i'm even fine with that because you are a good faith actor on this subject.
To put in perspective, if Jimmy hits Sanders with the deep ball in the SB theres a good chance the 9ers win. Then suddenly the same O line with the same pressure rate does what is being said they couldn't do. Thats where this whole disconnect comes from. That and calling every unit a failure because a SB wasn't won.
We could discuss all of Jimmy's missed opportunities in the Jimmy thread, if you like? But this is the O line thread and we should try to keep the discussion on topic.
Jul 28, 2022 at 9:02 AM
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Bucks Ryan Jensen just got carted off the field, looking like a blown ACL. They will be looking for a replacement for him. Wonder if they sign Tretter, or if those knees of his scare them too?
Jul 28, 2022 at 9:04 AM
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Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I could could go into that for the next two weeks in the secondary thread, if you like? But this is the O line thread.
Also, I used other statistics to help paint a picture as well but they were mostly ignored.
I never ignored it. I just don't think it paints the picture others want to use that if we had the Rams pressure rate it woud've been a gamechanger. It was a gamechanger for Stafford, Allen and Mahomes because they are considerably better than our guy. No way am i gonna buy a 16% pressure rate difference makes an 84 point difference in qb rating. Also not gonna buy it was all because of the O line and McVay. Stafford was the best guy against the blitz all NFL season.
I feel you have been consistent and actually mean what you say that it was everyones fault. If you feel it was more the fault of the O line than Jimmy i'm even fine with that because you are a good faith actor on this subject.
To put in perspective, if Jimmy hits Sanders with the deep ball in the SB theres a good chance the 9ers win. Then suddenly the same O line with the same pressure rate does what is being said they couldn't do. Thats where this whole disconnect comes from. That and calling every unit a failure because a SB wasn't won.
We could discuss all of Jimmy's missed opportunities in the Jimmy thread, if you like? But this is the O line thread and we should try to keep the discussion on topic.
Someone has a Jimmy fixation.
Jul 28, 2022 at 9:04 AM
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Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by YACBros85:what does this supposed to show ?
So here are the numbers by sack rate. I am sure a couple of you will find a way to move the goal posts again though. But here you go.
JC. I honestly don't care if anyone's opinion is swayed. You all will believe what you want inspite of the evidence put in front of you anyway. So I am just wasting my time. Good day.
You're doing God's work in here. Trust me, many others are reading and comprehending this even if they don't post.
The concept of pressures will be no different with Trey even if he has more ability post pressure. The bottom line is pressure effects QB's. As fans, we need to monitor this closely going forward to see if we're improving here because we all know it's going to correlate to how Trey performs and into him developing properly.
[ Edited by NCommand on Jul 28, 2022 at 9:04 AM ]
Jul 28, 2022 at 9:05 AM
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Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Bucks Ryan Jensen just got carted off the field, looking like a blown ACL. They will be looking for a replacement for him. Wonder if they sign Tretter, or if those knees of his scare them too?
From what I've heard is Tretter isn't healthy enough to sign anywhere yet. Billy Price is an option for them though
Jul 28, 2022 at 9:06 AM
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Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Bucks Ryan Jensen just got carted off the field, looking like a blown ACL. They will be looking for a replacement for him. Wonder if they sign Tretter, or if those knees of his scare them too?
Brady is done. We saw him with just Wirfs down and he still only had a 25% pressure rate. Without Jensen? Massive loss. Their OL will not be ranked #1 now. LOL
Jul 28, 2022 at 9:10 AM
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Bears starting center Lucas Patrick walked off field with trainer and was replaced in line up.free agent center market could be moving up.
Jul 28, 2022 at 9:12 AM
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Originally posted by ModestoNiner33:
Bears starting center Lucas Patrick walked off field with trainer and was replaced in line up.free agent center market could be moving up.
Positions filled don't worry
Jul 28, 2022 at 9:17 AM
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Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by ModestoNiner33:
Bears starting center Lucas Patrick walked off field with trainer and was replaced in line up.free agent center market could be moving up.
Positions filled don't worry
Does that mean we can trade Brendel lol.