49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by ModestoNiner33:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by ModestoNiner33:
Bears starting center Lucas Patrick walked off field with trainer and was replaced in line up.free agent center market could be moving up.

Positions filled don't worry

Does that mean we can trade Brendel lol.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

To put in perspective, if Jimmy hits Sanders with the deep ball in the SB theres a good chance the 9ers win. Then suddenly the same O line with the same pressure rate does what is being said they couldn't do. Thats where this whole disconnect comes from. That and calling every unit a failure because a SB wasn't won.

That is a point I've brought up in here constantly. Tartt catches a INT good chance they go to a SB. Jimmy hits Kittle on the 1st drive of the NFCC, the game could have been much different. Jimmy hits one of his dozen missed reads game is different. We get home on Mahomes on that 3rd and 15 or have better secondary play. They win the SB.

Any of that happens and no one is using OL play as an excuse for losing…lots of stuff going into winning and losing. OL play was just a piece of the pie. Not the whole damn pie.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Brady is done. We saw him with just Wirfs down and he still only had a 25% pressure rate. Without Jensen? Massive loss. Their OL will not be ranked #1 now. LOL

That 19th ranked PBWR should go down for sure. Where did you see them ranked #1

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

To put in perspective, if Jimmy hits Sanders with the deep ball in the SB theres a good chance the 9ers win. Then suddenly the same O line with the same pressure rate does what is being said they couldn't do. Thats where this whole disconnect comes from. That and calling every unit a failure because a SB wasn't won.

That is a point I've brought up in here constantly. Tartt catches a INT good chance they go to a SB. Jimmy hits Kittle on the 1st drive of the NFCC, the game could have been much different. Jimmy hits one of his dozen missed reads game is different. We get home on Mahomes on that 3rd and 15 or have better secondary play. They win the SB.

Any of that happens and no one is using OL play as an excuse for losing…lots of stuff going into winning and losing. OL play was just a piece of the pie. Not the whole damn pie.

Are we not allowed to evaluate the O line performance separate from all other position groups or is that only allowed in QB threads and such?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

To put in perspective, if Jimmy hits Sanders with the deep ball in the SB theres a good chance the 9ers win. Then suddenly the same O line with the same pressure rate does what is being said they couldn't do. Thats where this whole disconnect comes from. That and calling every unit a failure because a SB wasn't won.

That is a point I've brought up in here constantly. Tartt catches a INT good chance they go to a SB. Jimmy hits Kittle on the 1st drive of the NFCC, the game could have been much different. Jimmy hits one of his dozen missed reads game is different. We get home on Mahomes on that 3rd and 15 or have better secondary play. They win the SB.

Any of that happens and no one is using OL play as an excuse for losing…lots of stuff going into winning and losing. OL play was just a piece of the pie. Not the whole damn pie.

Are we not allowed to evaluate the O line performance separate from all other position groups or is that only allowed in QB threads and such?

No. Well, we can. LOL

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Brady is done. We saw him with just Wirfs down and he still only had a 25% pressure rate. Without Jensen? Massive loss. Their OL will not be ranked #1 now. LOL

That 19th ranked PBWR should go down for sure. Where did you see them ranked #1

If only the information was posted somewhere before. Hmmmmm. Now where could that be?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

To put in perspective, if Jimmy hits Sanders with the deep ball in the SB theres a good chance the 9ers win. Then suddenly the same O line with the same pressure rate does what is being said they couldn't do. Thats where this whole disconnect comes from. That and calling every unit a failure because a SB wasn't won.

That is a point I've brought up in here constantly. Tartt catches a INT good chance they go to a SB. Jimmy hits Kittle on the 1st drive of the NFCC, the game could have been much different. Jimmy hits one of his dozen missed reads game is different. We get home on Mahomes on that 3rd and 15 or have better secondary play. They win the SB.

Any of that happens and no one is using OL play as an excuse for losing…lots of stuff going into winning and losing. OL play was just a piece of the pie. Not the whole damn pie.

Is anyone actually saying it is just the oline? I see far more posts trying to put everything on the quarterback, which is equally wrong.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Are we not allowed to evaluate the O line performance separate from all other position groups or is that only allowed in QB threads and such?

Sure. But thats the difference between analyzing the O line and using a team accomplishment as proof.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Is anyone actually saying it is just the oline? I see far more posts trying to put everything on the quarterback, which is equally wrong.

Well I can only speak for myself and I've never said that. Just that I put the primary blame on Jimmy. Theres a blame pie and everyone isn't equal.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Are we not allowed to evaluate the O line performance separate from all other position groups or is that only allowed in QB threads and such?

Dude nothing I said has to do with your post or what you've said. I appreciate the data.

You seem to get very defensive over posts (from me) that's not directed at you….It's probably me not explaining things more in depth or directly saying not you.

however my point still stands about there being a multitude of reasons for losing the SB/NFCC and when someone (not you) says a positional group failed or it wasn't enough because they didn't win a Super Bowl I'm gonna call out that point as silly.

We can all say not enough for every position group then. Yes this is the OL thread, but using that phrase as proof is meh, we should then be tossing out "not enough" in every group thread, since we didn't win it all. Correct?

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Someone has a Jimmy fixation.

Just showing how flawed saying an OL can't win a SB is when one play would've made that untrue.

Originally posted by NCommand:
If only the information was posted somewhere before. Hmmmmm. Now where could that be?

I don't see PFF, football outsiders or espn (PBWR) having them as #1 that's my point…please share

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Is anyone actually saying it is just the oline? I see far more posts trying to put everything on the quarterback, which is equally wrong.

Ncommand has said the O line cost us the SB on multiple occasions. He backtracks on it now and pretends he never said it. I've never said Jimmy solely cost us anything, just he was the biggest factor. Same with NY and Hoov. Cant speak for 49ATT maybe he has put it all on Jimmy.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Is anyone actually saying it is just the oline? I see far more posts trying to put everything on the quarterback, which is equally wrong.

NC actually did…he said they didn't win a SB so that equals failure. He also asked me over and over "was it enough" I replied that the OL wasn't great in the playoffs and that no positional group was enough If you're claiming failure of a positional group was not winning a Super Bowl.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Are we not allowed to evaluate the O line performance separate from all other position groups or is that only allowed in QB threads and such?

Sure. But thats the difference between analyzing the O line and using a team accomplishment as proof.