49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by ModestoNiner33:
Bears starting center Lucas Patrick walked off field with trainer and was replaced in line up.free agent center market could be moving up.

Another team that didn't prioritize depth on the O line properly. Two already.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Are we not allowed to evaluate the O line performance separate from all other position groups or is that only allowed in QB threads and such?

Dude nothing I said has to do with your post or what you've said. I appreciate the data.

You seem to get very defensive over posts (from me) that's not directed at you….It's probably me not explaining things more in depth or directly saying not you.

however my point still stands about there being a multitude of reasons for losing the SB/NFCC and when someone (not you) says we've failed or it wasn't enough because they didn't win a Super Bowl I'm gonna call out that point as silly.

We can all say not enough for every position group then. Yes this is the OL thread, but using that phrase as proof is meh, we should then be tossing out "not enough" in every group thread, since we didn't win it all. Correct?

Sorry. I quoted you but it wasn't exclusively directed at you. This is the O line thread. Everytime someone brings up blaming the QB or DB's, it takes away from the main topic of this thread. Why can't we have a discussion on the O line exclusively? Save discussion for DB and QB and playcalling, etc. for the threads that pertain to those topics.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Are we not allowed to evaluate the O line performance separate from all other position groups or is that only allowed in QB threads and such?

Dude nothing I said has to do with your post or what you've said. I appreciate the data.

You seem to get very defensive over posts (from me) that's not directed at you….It's probably me not explaining things more in depth or directly saying not you.

however my point still stands about there being a multitude of reasons for losing the SB/NFCC and when someone (not you) says we've failed or it wasn't enough because they didn't win a Super Bowl I'm gonna call out that point as silly.

We can all say not enough for every position group then. Yes this is the OL thread, but using that phrase as proof is meh, we should then be tossing out "not enough" in every group thread, since we didn't win it all. Correct?

Sorry. I quoted you but it wasn't exclusively directed at you. This is the O line thread. Everytime someone brings up blaming the QB or DB's, it takes away from the main topic of this thread. Why can't we have a discussion on the O line exclusively? Save discussion for DB and QB and playcalling, etc. for the threads that pertain to those topics.

I agree with you but you must be living under a rock if you don't think other parts of the team are discussed in the QB threads.

I remember specifically many posters calling people Jimmy haters for discussing an errant pass IN THE QB THREAD because they felt the secondary or OL or Kyle Shanahan was more at fault.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Ncommand has said the O line cost us the SB on multiple occasions. He backtracks on it now and pretends he never said it. I've never said Jimmy solely cost us anything, just he was the biggest factor. Same with NY and Hoov. Cant speak for 49ATT maybe he has put it all on Jimmy.

That's all I've ever said. "Unit blocking" is a term that's been posted in here all the time (NC me whomever). Well the QB play is a part of all that. Play calling is part of that. If receivers can separate on a certain down, plays a part in it. Does our RB read the block correctly on run-blocking? That plays a part in it. I like Mitchell I do think he missed some holes throughout the season which didn't help.

I don't think anyone believes our OL as a whole was outstanding last yr. I do think as a whole they usually play better than some in here try to covey.

I've never been against adding FAs, draft picks, developing at any position group…including OL. I don't think you need to spend elite money/picks on guards. I think that's where NC and I butt heads. I do think a lot goes into PBLK/RBLK outside of just OL execution as well.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
That's all I've ever said. "Unit blocking" is a term that's been posted in here all the time (NC me whomever). Well the QB play is a part of all that. Play calling is part of that. If receivers can separate on a certain down, plays a part in it. Does our RB read the block correctly on run-blocking? That plays a part in it. I like Mitchell I do think he missed some holes throughout the season which didn't help.

I don't think anyone believes our OL as a whole was outstanding last yr. I do think as a whole they usually play better than some in here try to covey.

I've never been against adding FAs, draft picks, developing at any position group…including OL. I don't think you need to spend elite money/picks on guards. I think that's where NC and I butt heads. I do think a lot goes into PBLK/RBLK outside of just OL execution as well.

Exactly right.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I agree with you but you must be living under a rock if you don't think other parts of the team are discussed in the QB threads.

I remember specifically many posters calling people Jimmy haters for discussing an errant pass IN THE QB THREAD because they felt the secondary or OL or Kyle Shanahan was more at fault.

Yeah that's all over the QB threads…Always will be.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Are we not allowed to evaluate the O line performance separate from all other position groups or is that only allowed in QB threads and such?

Dude nothing I said has to do with your post or what you've said. I appreciate the data.

You seem to get very defensive over posts (from me) that's not directed at you….It's probably me not explaining things more in depth or directly saying not you.

however my point still stands about there being a multitude of reasons for losing the SB/NFCC and when someone (not you) says we've failed or it wasn't enough because they didn't win a Super Bowl I'm gonna call out that point as silly.

We can all say not enough for every position group then. Yes this is the OL thread, but using that phrase as proof is meh, we should then be tossing out "not enough" in every group thread, since we didn't win it all. Correct?

Sorry. I quoted you but it wasn't exclusively directed at you. This is the O line thread. Everytime someone brings up blaming the QB or DB's, it takes away from the main topic of this thread. Why can't we have a discussion on the O line exclusively? Save discussion for DB and QB and playcalling, etc. for the threads that pertain to those topics.

I agree with you but you must be living under a rock if you don't think other parts of the team are discussed in the QB threads.

I remember specifically many posters calling people Jimmy haters for discussing an errant pass IN THE QB THREAD because they felt the secondary or OL or Kyle Shanahan was more at fault.

I am not living under a rock. I know that those things happen. I don't agree with it happening in those threads either though. Especially when there is too much of it. It defeats the purpose of having separate threads for different topics.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Are we not allowed to evaluate the O line performance separate from all other position groups or is that only allowed in QB threads and such?

Dude nothing I said has to do with your post or what you've said. I appreciate the data.

You seem to get very defensive over posts (from me) that's not directed at you….It's probably me not explaining things more in depth or directly saying not you.

however my point still stands about there being a multitude of reasons for losing the SB/NFCC and when someone (not you) says we've failed or it wasn't enough because they didn't win a Super Bowl I'm gonna call out that point as silly.

We can all say not enough for every position group then. Yes this is the OL thread, but using that phrase as proof is meh, we should then be tossing out "not enough" in every group thread, since we didn't win it all. Correct?

While in the OL thread, a 42% pressure rate, 15 pressures on a low volume of passes and less than 3 ypc (11/39 in the NFCCG) through the playoffs is the VERY definition of a failed unit. Especially when you're trying to pump up the other teams QB while dismissing his unit was significantly better esp. during the final stretch of being down 17-7.

To minimize that by saying, "...it wasn't great" has to be one of the most disingenuous things you've said in here. And that's saying a lot.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Is anyone actually saying it is just the oline? I see far more posts trying to put everything on the quarterback, which is equally wrong.

NC actually did…he said they didn't win a SB so that equals failure. He also asked me over and over "was it enough" I replied that the OL wasn't great in the playoffs and that no positional group was enough If you're claiming failure of a positional group was not winning a Super Bowl.

b******t! Absolute b******t!

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Sorry. I quoted you but it wasn't exclusively directed at you. This is the O line thread. Everytime someone brings up blaming the QB or DB's, it takes away from the main topic of this thread. Why can't we have a discussion on the O line exclusively? Save discussion for DB and QB and playcalling, etc. for the threads that pertain to those topics.

all good!

I think that's pretty tough to do overall for most position groups. Is a DB group actually good if the DL is collapsing the pocket instantly all yr? If the receivers can't separate does that hurt the QB/OL? Is a RB good even if the OL can't run block or is the OL run blocking and he's not seeing the lanes properly? Was it just bad play calling?

It's such a play by play thing, that it's hard to isolate anything. You go to the QB thread & you will hear people talking about how bad the OL is so it's not the QB. It's all connected.

I'm also not dumb and I can see that the OL overall wasn't great in the playoffs. I can also recognize that someone like LT overall has been better than some people in here will ever admit and the overall talent at say the OG spot isn't at some crazy level vs SF.

I think we all have our opinions on how you should build an OL and what matters more.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Is anyone actually saying it is just the oline? I see far more posts trying to put everything on the quarterback, which is equally wrong.

NC actually did…he said they didn't win a SB so that equals failure. He also asked me over and over "was it enough" I replied that the OL wasn't great in the playoffs and that no positional group was enough If you're claiming failure of a positional group was not winning a Super Bowl.

b******t! Absolute b******t!

no its not.. that is the very reason i'm posting in this thread recently ..i hardly come in here..

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Someone has a Jimmy fixation.

Just showing how flawed saying an OL can't win a SB is when one play would've made that untrue.

Yep, if Tartt had caught that interception, we likely would've won. No use crying over spilled milk though.

Originally posted by NCommand:
b******t! Absolute b******t!

Yeah sure…you never said, and we never debated at all that the OL failed (the whole process) because we didn't win a Super Bowl. 😂

man I really don't want to go back a couple days in this thread and post you saying this stuff.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Is anyone actually saying it is just the oline? I see far more posts trying to put everything on the quarterback, which is equally wrong.

NC actually did…he said they didn't win a SB so that equals failure. He also asked me over and over "was it enough" I replied that the OL wasn't great in the playoffs and that no positional group was enough If you're claiming failure of a positional group was not winning a Super Bowl.

b******t! Absolute b******t!

no its not.. that is the very reason i'm posting in this thread recently ..i hardly come in here..

Lol. You're in here daily.

And YOU of all people know I break down every reason for a loss. So cut the s**t out.

I have always said OL is 'A' reason for a big loss. You can give it any weight you want. You can even say with the data provided to you recently, we still had a chance to win with a tad better QB play. That's fine.

But to dismiss this data in comparison to what the other QB's faced, is disingenuous. And you know it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
b******t! Absolute b******t!

Yeah sure…you never said, and we never debated at all that the OL failed (the whole process) because we didn't win a Super Bowl. 😂

man I really don't want to go back a couple days in this thread and post you saying this stuff.

Was it good enough?

Because literally that's all it comes down too.

With the data provided, was that good enough to get you to a Superbowl and win it?