49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Is anyone actually saying it is just the oline? I see far more posts trying to put everything on the quarterback, which is equally wrong.

NC actually did…he said they didn't win a SB so that equals failure. He also asked me over and over "was it enough" I replied that the OL wasn't great in the playoffs and that no positional group was enough If you're claiming failure of a positional group was not winning a Super Bowl.

b******t! Absolute b******t!

no its not.. that is the very reason i'm posting in this thread recently ..i hardly come in here..

Lol. You're in here daily.

And YOU of all people know I break down every reason for a loss. So cut the s**t out.

I have always said OL is 'A' reason for a big loss. You can give it any weight you want. You can even say with the data provided to you recently, we still had a chance to win with a tad better QB play. That's fine.

But to dismiss this data in comparison to what the other QB's faced, is disingenuous. And you know it.

This convo may not end well.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Someone has a Jimmy fixation.

Just showing how flawed saying an OL can't win a SB is when one play would've made that untrue.

Yep, if Tartt had caught that interception, we likely would've won. No use crying over spilled milk though.

Better chance to win sure. But there was still lots of time left after that happened and our offense did absolutely nothing. 0 pts for the Qtr

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Is anyone actually saying it is just the oline? I see far more posts trying to put everything on the quarterback, which is equally wrong.

NC actually did…he said they didn't win a SB so that equals failure. He also asked me over and over "was it enough" I replied that the OL wasn't great in the playoffs and that no positional group was enough If you're claiming failure of a positional group was not winning a Super Bowl.

b******t! Absolute b******t!

no its not.. that is the very reason i'm posting in this thread recently ..i hardly come in here..

Lol. You're in here daily.

And YOU of all people know I break down every reason for a loss. So cut the s**t out.

I have always said OL is 'A' reason for a big loss. You can give it any weight you want. You can even say with the data provided to you recently, we still had a chance to win with a tad better QB play. That's fine.

But to dismiss this data in comparison to what the other QB's faced, is disingenuous. And you know it.

This convo may not end well.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Is anyone actually saying it is just the oline? I see far more posts trying to put everything on the quarterback, which is equally wrong.

NC actually did…he said they didn't win a SB so that equals failure. He also asked me over and over "was it enough" I replied that the OL wasn't great in the playoffs and that no positional group was enough If you're claiming failure of a positional group was not winning a Super Bowl.

b******t! Absolute b******t!

no its not.. that is the very reason i'm posting in this thread recently ..i hardly come in here..

Lol. You're in here daily.

And YOU of all people know I break down every reason for a loss. So cut the s**t out.

I have always said OL is 'A' reason for a big loss. You can give it any weight you want. You can even say with the data provided to you recently, we still had a chance to win with a tad better QB play. That's fine.

But to dismiss this data in comparison to what the other QB's faced, is disingenuous. And you know it.

This convo may not end well.

Have a feeling that comment is going to

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Is anyone actually saying it is just the oline? I see far more posts trying to put everything on the quarterback, which is equally wrong.

NC actually did…he said they didn't win a SB so that equals failure. He also asked me over and over "was it enough" I replied that the OL wasn't great in the playoffs and that no positional group was enough If you're claiming failure of a positional group was not winning a Super Bowl.

b******t! Absolute b******t!

no its not.. that is the very reason i'm posting in this thread recently ..i hardly come in here..

Lol. You're in here daily.

And YOU of all people know I break down every reason for a loss. So cut the s**t out.

I have always said OL is 'A' reason for a big loss. You can give it any weight you want. You can even say with the data provided to you recently, we still had a chance to win with a tad better QB play. That's fine.

But to dismiss this data in comparison to what the other QB's faced, is disingenuous. And you know it.

i said recently.. and before you use to be pretty good with your takes.. but OL you're a different NC

but like i said, if you didn't solely blame the OL, i probably don't join the conversation. you have changed your stance a little and will give you credit.

but for pressure % is just doesn't hold weight like some think it should.. you already provided that Stafford beat us with quick passsed to counter the rush..with stafford not hesitating on those plays helps his OL pressure %

jimmy did have some pressure, but our injured OL had zero sacks... looks like some one couldn't handle the pressure when it mattered the most

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Sorry. I quoted you but it wasn't exclusively directed at you. This is the O line thread. Everytime someone brings up blaming the QB or DB's, it takes away from the main topic of this thread. Why can't we have a discussion on the O line exclusively? Save discussion for DB and QB and playcalling, etc. for the threads that pertain to those topics.

all good!

I think that's pretty tough to do overall for most position groups. Is a DB group actually good if the DL is collapsing the pocket instantly all yr? If the receivers can't separate does that hurt the QB/OL? Is a RB good even if the OL can't run block or is the OL run blocking and he's not seeing the lanes properly? Was it just bad play calling?

It's such a play by play thing, that it's hard to isolate anything. You go to the QB thread & you will hear people talking about how bad the OL is so it's not the QB. It's all connected.

I'm also not dumb and I can see that the OL overall wasn't great in the playoffs. I can also recognize that someone like LT overall has been better than some people in here will ever admit and the overall talent at say the OG spot isn't at some crazy level vs SF.

I think we all have our opinions on how you should build an OL and what matters more.

I haven't really given much thought on how a team should go about building an O line.

Even when we had a bunch of 1st rounders on the O line back in 2012, we still weren't all that great at pass pro.

I guess it comes down to philosophy. When our run game is hitting on all cylinders, the playaction passes negate the pass rush. Utilizing the RB's on pressure beaters is another way to negate the pass rush. If we are to continue to be a run first team than I believe we should continue to sign guys who are better run blockers as it is very hard to find 5 O lineman who excel at both pass pro and run blocking. I also imagine that the lineman that are better pass protectors tend to be positioned at the tackle spots. I agree with you on O lineman and how the league values them.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Was it good enough?

Because literally that's all it comes down too.

With the data provided, was that good enough to get you to a Superbowl and win it?

Don't deflect. YOU said that the way they've built that OL has failed BECAUSE we didn't win a Super Bowl. That's what you said. My counter (after saying the OL didn't play great in the playoffs) is if that's your reasoning for concluding that it's a failure THEN they failed and every position group all the same!

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Is anyone actually saying it is just the oline? I see far more posts trying to put everything on the quarterback, which is equally wrong.

NC actually did…he said they didn't win a SB so that equals failure. He also asked me over and over "was it enough" I replied that the OL wasn't great in the playoffs and that no positional group was enough If you're claiming failure of a positional group was not winning a Super Bowl.

b******t! Absolute b******t!

no its not.. that is the very reason i'm posting in this thread recently ..i hardly come in here..

Lol. You're in here daily.

And YOU of all people know I break down every reason for a loss. So cut the s**t out.

I have always said OL is 'A' reason for a big loss. You can give it any weight you want. You can even say with the data provided to you recently, we still had a chance to win with a tad better QB play. That's fine.

But to dismiss this data in comparison to what the other QB's faced, is disingenuous. And you know it.

i said recently.. and before you use to be pretty good with your takes.. but OL you're a different NC

but like i said, if you didn't solely blame the OL, i probably don't join the conversation. you have changed your stance a little and will give you credit.

but for pressure % is just doesn't hold weight like some think it should.. you already provided that Stafford beat us with quick passsed to counter the rush..with stafford not hesitating on those plays helps his OL pressure %

jimmy did have some pressure, but our injured OL had zero sacks... looks like some one couldn't handle the pressure when it mattered the most

Like, where do you even get these things from?

I've literally talked a ton about how the DB strategy failed us, how it cost us in the end too, like QB, how they saw an issue with QB and immediately upgraded that, ER, RB, CB were all addressed because they cost us too, to combat the annual injuries, etc.

Remarkable. Just remarkable.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Are we not allowed to evaluate the O line performance separate from all other position groups or is that only allowed in QB threads and such?

Dude nothing I said has to do with your post or what you've said. I appreciate the data.

You seem to get very defensive over posts (from me) that's not directed at you….It's probably me not explaining things more in depth or directly saying not you.

however my point still stands about there being a multitude of reasons for losing the SB/NFCC and when someone (not you) says we've failed or it wasn't enough because they didn't win a Super Bowl I'm gonna call out that point as silly.

We can all say not enough for every position group then. Yes this is the OL thread, but using that phrase as proof is meh, we should then be tossing out "not enough" in every group thread, since we didn't win it all. Correct?

Sorry. I quoted you but it wasn't exclusively directed at you. This is the O line thread. Everytime someone brings up blaming the QB or DB's, it takes away from the main topic of this thread. Why can't we have a discussion on the O line exclusively? Save discussion for DB and QB and playcalling, etc. for the threads that pertain to those topics.

I agree with you but you must be living under a rock if you don't think other parts of the team are discussed in the QB threads.

I remember specifically many posters calling people Jimmy haters for discussing an errant pass IN THE QB THREAD because they felt the secondary or OL or Kyle Shanahan was more at fault.

I am not living under a rock. I know that those things happen. I don't agree with it happening in those threads either though. Especially when there is too much of it. It defeats the purpose of having separate threads for different topics.

Okay I'm not saying you do approve of it happening in different threads but you said "is that only allowed in QB threads" which implies that you think the QB thread is different than the OL thread. Correct?

And sorry I didn't mean to be rude. I'm starting Keto again and I'm grumpy this morning.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Was it good enough?

Because literally that's all it comes down too.

With the data provided, was that good enough to get you to a Superbowl and win it?

Don't deflect. YOU said that the way they've built that OL has failed BECAUSE we didn't win a Super Bowl. That's what you said. My counter (after saying the OL didn't play great in the playoffs) is if that's your reasoning for concluding that it's a failure THEN they failed and every position group all the same!

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Was it good enough?

Because literally that's all it comes down too.

With the data provided, was that good enough to get you to a Superbowl and win it?

Don't deflect. YOU said that the way they've built that OL has failed BECAUSE we didn't win a Super Bowl. That's what you said. My counter (after saying the OL didn't play great in the playoffs) is if that's your reasoning for concluding that it's a failure THEN they failed and every position group all the same!

correct, NC even gave me his prediction that we won't win this years SB due to OL

You guys have been going back and forth over what NC said for an hour plus now. It's not hard to go back through the thread and support your claims by linking the posts in question. It took me 15-20 minutes to read 5 days worth.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Are we not allowed to evaluate the O line performance separate from all other position groups or is that only allowed in QB threads and such?

Dude nothing I said has to do with your post or what you've said. I appreciate the data.

You seem to get very defensive over posts (from me) that's not directed at you….It's probably me not explaining things more in depth or directly saying not you.

however my point still stands about there being a multitude of reasons for losing the SB/NFCC and when someone (not you) says we've failed or it wasn't enough because they didn't win a Super Bowl I'm gonna call out that point as silly.

We can all say not enough for every position group then. Yes this is the OL thread, but using that phrase as proof is meh, we should then be tossing out "not enough" in every group thread, since we didn't win it all. Correct?

Sorry. I quoted you but it wasn't exclusively directed at you. This is the O line thread. Everytime someone brings up blaming the QB or DB's, it takes away from the main topic of this thread. Why can't we have a discussion on the O line exclusively? Save discussion for DB and QB and playcalling, etc. for the threads that pertain to those topics.

I agree with you but you must be living under a rock if you don't think other parts of the team are discussed in the QB threads.

I remember specifically many posters calling people Jimmy haters for discussing an errant pass IN THE QB THREAD because they felt the secondary or OL or Kyle Shanahan was more at fault.

I am not living under a rock. I know that those things happen. I don't agree with it happening in those threads either though. Especially when there is too much of it. It defeats the purpose of having separate threads for different topics.

Okay I'm not saying you do approve of it happening in different threads but you said "is that only allowed in QB threads" which implies that you think the QB thread is different than the OL thread. Correct?

And sorry I didn't mean to be rude. I'm starting Keto again and I'm grumpy this morning.

Because most of what I have read in the QB thread is about the QB. Even when its a silly discussion about a few inch difference in ball placement. Perhaps I just haven't seen enough off topic discussion in those threads. At least not like what I have seen in here anyway.

We are gonna be more downhill this year thanks to Banks and TDP

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Was it good enough?

Because literally that's all it comes down too.

With the data provided, was that good enough to get you to a Superbowl and win it?

Don't deflect. YOU said that the way they've built that OL has failed BECAUSE we didn't win a Super Bowl. That's what you said. My counter (after saying the OL didn't play great in the playoffs) is if that's your reasoning for concluding that it's a failure THEN they failed and every position group all the same!

correct, NC even gave me his prediction that we won't win this years SB due to OL

Seeing how a FO addressed a unit in the off season and predicting it wasn't going to be good enough (like I did with DB's) is a very different stance than what you and NY claimed saying it would be the ONLY reason we'd lose.

But you know this...