Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
You know, if you just want to take over this whole thread from here on out, I'll happily oblige. 
Those are eye opening statistics. 
There are a few things that really stood out to me. Joe Burrow was good enough under pressure to make the SB. We all pretty much knew that. Mac Jones was actually pretty solid under pressure. Big Ben and Tom Brady aren't what they used to be.
The 41.3% pressure rating on Jimmy is disappointing. I don't remember if Trent was hurt in the Dallas game or not, but I think he played more than one post season game hurt? Anyway, that 41.3% can't happen in the playoffs - if the 49ers want to have a shot at the 🏆'th Lombardi.
Trent played well in both the DAL and GB game. He was credited with 1 pressure in each game which was slightly above his regular season average. Tom Compton and Laken Tomlinson both gave up 9 pressures each. Daniel Brunskill gave up 5 and Alex Mack gave up 3.
I think in this particular game, Trey's mobility would have been a factor in helping that pressure rate. The rams had Von coming in from the edge and Donald coming in from the interior. That's going to give any OLine problems. When the 49ers played NY Giants and Lawrence Taylor in the NFCCG - Joe's mobility really did help a lot to neutralized Lawrence Taylor's pass rush.
Not on the pressure rate % stats. Only on what he does after he's pressured.
Trey...Jimmy...Montana...Young...you don't want ANY 49ers QB pressured that much.
Until I see how they grade the stats, I'm skeptical. A lot of these advanced stats are too subjective in my view. Point is, the 41% pressure rate, how is that actually graded and differentiated from a (for example) blitz vs a missed handoff on a tackle/end twist? Jimmy was pretty high up there when blitzed QB ratings-wise, but then he's pressured and his numbers drop drastically? I do know that Trent was injured, and so the OLine is limited in sliding the protections one way or the other with a one legged Trent. Add in the fact that the Ram's DLine was a one time bought and paid for mercenary DLine unlike the 49er DLine, and I have a lot of salt I'm depositing for these so called stats.
Pressure rate isn't super hard to determine. There is going to be a tad subjectivity in it though.
Start with only passing downs. Then, is he moved off his spot? And when? Under 3s or over 3s? Does it force him to speed up his delivery, throw early, scramble, rush up through a hole, side step, shuffle, etc.?
Pretty much any duress under some operational definition on time. Then after that point, it's on the QB...not on the OL.
Moved off his spot - does the mobility of the QB matter? I would think a defensive coordinator will blitz a mobile QB less than an pocket QB due to the escapability dimension. Also line stunts and dogs are not a rush containment strategy and a mobile QB can escape through the cracks in a rush containment strategy.
No, I would guestimate an evaluator would simply look at 2, 3, 5 and 7 step drops. If he's altered in any way within the drop back, that's a pressure. If he's on a designed role out, PA, etc. same concept. If he has to alter his path, that's a pressure.
Under 3 or Over 3 - Pass blocking sets, I think, differ between under 3 yards to pass vs longer passes that have to go over 3. I.e. 3 step slants vs 5 step drops, vs 7 step drops and play actions. Those are all different kinds of pass blocking sets. If your Left Tackle is injured, I'm assuming that skews the pressure rates a bit from a normal pressure rate.
Totally. That's why I would think they'd have a clicker for each drop back for 2, 3, 5, 7 and PA. Getting a pressure on a slant would be incredibly challenging. Injuries don't factor into the stat itself. A pressure is a pressure. Like the TW and McKivitz example. It's still 5 either way. 1 just happens to be as a result of an injury and the other, a talent issue.
QB Ratings - are affected by the defensive backs and defensive coverage. Guys like Deion limited QB ratings to his side sub 70%, and guys like Donte Johnson - actually elevate a QB's ratings + 100% 
So again, a lot of these statistics are interesting, but I take them with a heavy truckload of salt.
Tight DB coverage can absolutely affect pressure rates. It forces the QB to hold it longer or he's hesitating and indecisive. Like play calling can too; longer developing plays take longer so the PP has to hold. We actually have a distinct advantage since we rely on 2.5s passes for RAC where the Rams have to hold to 2.8s for more intermediate passes.
That said, pressures are simply tallied either way. A pressure is a pressure is a pressure and the correlation to success and failure is a tried and true correlation since the dawn of time, I would imagine.
Well yes, a pressure is a pressure, but sometimes a pressure is designed. Those RPOs - have a designed guy unblocked. When it works, it usually works great. When it doesn't then it looks like a pressure - but it was intended vs accidentall.
My simple point is that arguing stats are nice, and they are valid measurements of performance, but you have to be careful of what you are measuring. Sometimes its addressing the question of "are you seeing what I'm seeing?" But more often than not its addressing the question "WHY aren't you seeing what I'm seeing."
Anyway, I'd join PFF if I had to money too. I'm just too cheap.😉😛😋
I didn't want this one to get lost in the sharks. It is shark week. LOL
That's a good question about RPO's. I would imagine it wouldn't matter unless it's a moving mesh point. On the move decision to hold it and throw or hand off. For instance, if he's sliding to the right he's behind the RG and RT and may even get outside before deciding to throw. I have no idea how PFF grades the 'OL' for that. The designed movements for any QB could complicate grading a pressure and makes it harder to tease out the OL responsibility from the design/QB decision.
I think most aren't as hung up on the operational definitions here because it wouldn't apply to JG and the OL last year. Not many RPO's or designs that would be harder to grade.
The biggest take aways were the regular season vs. post season splits, us compared to the other 13 teams in the playoffs and the strong correlation to how pressure affects QB performance. And none of that should have been too much of a surprise for any 49er fan.
