49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's all subjective on your terms, not fact.

If you want to make a pie chart of blame, contact All. He left out a bunch of points I listed but have fun with it! We did s also

Saying the Oline wasn't prioritized enough is definitionally subjective on your terms. So if the only criteria you use to defend that is title game losses then everything wasn't prioritized enough equally because they lost as a team. That was NY point.

The only way you can come to a conclusion that a specific unit wasn't prioritized enough is weighing it subjectively against production of other units, not by team results.

So do a pie chart and have some fun.

Is it subjective if it becomes fact over multiple years? There's only 3 people on the planet who wouldn't admit the OL was a big reason for the loss. Maybe less now.

And the failure wasn't just on the players. They did the best they could. They just weren't very talented IMHO and all the playoff numbers back that up. The real failure was on the FO over many years.

But if you do want to talk about other failed units too I could just as easily talk about the FO again since once again, the defense collectively failed again in the 4Q despite a FO that spent years and years and years of resources to build up for a defense that could close out games. That's all Lynch would talk about...closers. So did they fail because of a talent deficiency, scheme/coaching, and/or player execution?

Our O-Line was s**t last year, and s**t this off season and they did NOT upgrade or prioritize it since Shanny has been here!!!!
When are they gonna call a Vet Center to solidify that position at least, then with the raw sewage of players left- they find a 2 starting Guards and 2 backup ones. And we need a damn swing tackle. Can Donovan West be any worse than the s**t show we have ??? GEEEEZ!!!

Originally posted by NCommand:
So do a pie chart and have some fun.

Is it subjective if it becomes fact over multiple years? There's only 3 people on the planet who wouldn't admit the OL was a big reason for the loss. Maybe less now.

And the failure wasn't just on the players. They did the best they could. They just weren't very talented IMHO and all the playoff numbers back that up. The real failure was on the FO over many years.

But if you do want to talk about other failed units too I could just as easily talk about the FO again since once again, the defense collectively failed again in the 4Q despite a FO that spent years and years and years of resources to build up for a defense that could close out games. So did they fail because of a talent deficiency, scheme/coaching, and/or player execution?

They all failed equally so then it's an equal failure across the board right?

What people said the OL wasn't a factor for the loss? Now YOU are the one making things up. That's never happened.

Which players weren't very talented?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
So do a pie chart and have some fun.

Is it subjective if it becomes fact over multiple years? There's only 3 people on the planet who wouldn't admit the OL was a big reason for the loss. Maybe less now.

And the failure wasn't just on the players. They did the best they could. They just weren't very talented IMHO and all the playoff numbers back that up. The real failure was on the FO over many years.

But if you do want to talk about other failed units too I could just as easily talk about the FO again since once again, the defense collectively failed again in the 4Q despite a FO that spent years and years and years of resources to build up for a defense that could close out games. So did they fail because of a talent deficiency, scheme/coaching, and/or player execution?

They all failed equally so then it's an equal failure across the board right?

What people said the OL wasn't a factor for the loss? Now YOU are the one making things up. That's never happened.

Which players weren't very talented?

Equally? That's subjective but the discussion yesterday was the QB and OL should be equal on the pie chart. My issue wasn't about the weight but ensuring all the elements were included in the pie. But that's just me.

OK, what weight would you give the QB and OL?

Playoffs: Brunskill and Compton are not talented and Tomlinson reverted back to being poor in PP again. Mack was solid...average. Trent was injured. And together they couldn't run or pass block.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
So do a pie chart and have some fun.

Is it subjective if it becomes fact over multiple years? There's only 3 people on the planet who wouldn't admit the OL was a big reason for the loss. Maybe less now.

And the failure wasn't just on the players. They did the best they could. They just weren't very talented IMHO and all the playoff numbers back that up. The real failure was on the FO over many years.

But if you do want to talk about other failed units too I could just as easily talk about the FO again since once again, the defense collectively failed again in the 4Q despite a FO that spent years and years and years of resources to build up for a defense that could close out games. So did they fail because of a talent deficiency, scheme/coaching, and/or player execution?

They all failed equally so then it's an equal failure across the board right?

What people said the OL wasn't a factor for the loss? Now YOU are the one making things up. That's never happened.

Which players weren't very talented?

Equally? That's subjective but the discussion yesterday was the QB and OL should be equal on the pie chart. My issue wasn't about the weight but ensuring all the elements were included in the pie. But that's just me.

OK, what weight would you give the QB and OL?

Playoffs: Brunskill and Compton are not talented and Tomlinson reverted back to being poor in PP again. Mack was solid...average. Trent was injured. And together they couldn't run or pass block.

The O line was definitely not good enough to overcome two injured starting tackles.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Equally? That's subjective but the discussion yesterday was the QB and OL should be equal on the pie chart. My issue wasn't about the weight but ensuring all the elements were included in the pie. But that's just me.

OK, what weight would you give the QB and OL?

Playoffs: Brunskill and Compton are not talented and Tomlinson reverted back to being poor in PP again. Mack was solid...average. Trent was injured. And together they couldn't run or pass block.

Who agreed that the OL and Qb should be equal?

Those are the only players on the team not talented enough? Everyone else was fine?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
So do a pie chart and have some fun.

Is it subjective if it becomes fact over multiple years? There's only 3 people on the planet who wouldn't admit the OL was a big reason for the loss. Maybe less now.

And the failure wasn't just on the players. They did the best they could. They just weren't very talented IMHO and all the playoff numbers back that up. The real failure was on the FO over many years.

But if you do want to talk about other failed units too I could just as easily talk about the FO again since once again, the defense collectively failed again in the 4Q despite a FO that spent years and years and years of resources to build up for a defense that could close out games. So did they fail because of a talent deficiency, scheme/coaching, and/or player execution?

They all failed equally so then it's an equal failure across the board right?

What people said the OL wasn't a factor for the loss? Now YOU are the one making things up. That's never happened.

Which players weren't very talented?

Equally? That's subjective but the discussion yesterday was the QB and OL should be equal on the pie chart. My issue wasn't about the weight but ensuring all the elements were included in the pie. But that's just me.

OK, what weight would you give the QB and OL?

Playoffs: Brunskill and Compton are not talented and Tomlinson reverted back to being poor in PP again. Mack was solid...average. Trent was injured. And together they couldn't run or pass block.

The O line was definitely not good enough to overcome two injured starting tackles.

No doubt about that!

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
So do a pie chart and have some fun.

Is it subjective if it becomes fact over multiple years? There's only 3 people on the planet who wouldn't admit the OL was a big reason for the loss. Maybe less now.

And the failure wasn't just on the players. They did the best they could. They just weren't very talented IMHO and all the playoff numbers back that up. The real failure was on the FO over many years.

But if you do want to talk about other failed units too I could just as easily talk about the FO again since once again, the defense collectively failed again in the 4Q despite a FO that spent years and years and years of resources to build up for a defense that could close out games. So did they fail because of a talent deficiency, scheme/coaching, and/or player execution?

They all failed equally so then it's an equal failure across the board right?

What people said the OL wasn't a factor for the loss? Now YOU are the one making things up. That's never happened.

Which players weren't very talented?

Equally? That's subjective but the discussion yesterday was the QB and OL should be equal on the pie chart. My issue wasn't about the weight but ensuring all the elements were included in the pie. But that's just me.

OK, what weight would you give the QB and OL?

Playoffs: Brunskill and Compton are not talented and Tomlinson reverted back to being poor in PP again. Mack was solid...average. Trent was injured. And together they couldn't run or pass block.

The O line was definitely not good enough to overcome two injured starting tackles.

And whose is?

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
So do a pie chart and have some fun.

Is it subjective if it becomes fact over multiple years? There's only 3 people on the planet who wouldn't admit the OL was a big reason for the loss. Maybe less now.

And the failure wasn't just on the players. They did the best they could. They just weren't very talented IMHO and all the playoff numbers back that up. The real failure was on the FO over many years.

But if you do want to talk about other failed units too I could just as easily talk about the FO again since once again, the defense collectively failed again in the 4Q despite a FO that spent years and years and years of resources to build up for a defense that could close out games. So did they fail because of a talent deficiency, scheme/coaching, and/or player execution?

They all failed equally so then it's an equal failure across the board right?

What people said the OL wasn't a factor for the loss? Now YOU are the one making things up. That's never happened.

Which players weren't very talented?

Equally? That's subjective but the discussion yesterday was the QB and OL should be equal on the pie chart. My issue wasn't about the weight but ensuring all the elements were included in the pie. But that's just me.

OK, what weight would you give the QB and OL?

Playoffs: Brunskill and Compton are not talented and Tomlinson reverted back to being poor in PP again. Mack was solid...average. Trent was injured. And together they couldn't run or pass block.

The O line was definitely not good enough to overcome two injured starting tackles.

And whose is?

The scary thing is this has happened what, 2 other times before too?

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
So do a pie chart and have some fun.

Is it subjective if it becomes fact over multiple years? There's only 3 people on the planet who wouldn't admit the OL was a big reason for the loss. Maybe less now.

And the failure wasn't just on the players. They did the best they could. They just weren't very talented IMHO and all the playoff numbers back that up. The real failure was on the FO over many years.

But if you do want to talk about other failed units too I could just as easily talk about the FO again since once again, the defense collectively failed again in the 4Q despite a FO that spent years and years and years of resources to build up for a defense that could close out games. So did they fail because of a talent deficiency, scheme/coaching, and/or player execution?

They all failed equally so then it's an equal failure across the board right?

What people said the OL wasn't a factor for the loss? Now YOU are the one making things up. That's never happened.

Which players weren't very talented?

Equally? That's subjective but the discussion yesterday was the QB and OL should be equal on the pie chart. My issue wasn't about the weight but ensuring all the elements were included in the pie. But that's just me.

OK, what weight would you give the QB and OL?

Playoffs: Brunskill and Compton are not talented and Tomlinson reverted back to being poor in PP again. Mack was solid...average. Trent was injured. And together they couldn't run or pass block.

The O line was definitely not good enough to overcome two injured starting tackles.

And whose is?

No one is and that is the point.

What they are currently putting out there wouldn't cut it in the arena league

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
My Inferred Offensive Line Depth Chart after day 1:

1st Team:
Williams - Banks - Brendel - Burford - McGlinchey

2nd/3rd Team:
McKivitz/Moore/Brunskill - Moore/Zakelj - Brunskill - Moore/Brunskill - Moore/McKivitz/Brunskill

Outside looking in:
Skule, Sutherland, Shleuter, Po, West

Off the bench, McKivitz would come in at LT; Moore at LG, RG, and RT; and Brunskill at C.

After day 2:
no change, but it's noticeable that Burford remains starting at RG (as opposed to cycling through different players). It's unknown whether Moore would be starting at RG if McGlinchey were practicing.

edit-
Center also appears to be up in the air between Brendel and Brunskill, and you'd probably lean Brunskill based on experience.

After day 3:
major shakeup at multiple positions. New implied depth chart:

1st team:
Williams - Banks - Brunskill - Burford - McGlinchey

2nd/3rd team:
Moore/McKivitz - Moore/Zakelj - Brendel - Moore/Zakelj - McKivitz/Moore

Wow and I thought McG was still being replaced by Moore and they were still giving up insta-pressure but again we'll see when the magic pads come on.

Looks like Moore could be the most Important back-up amongst the OL with his versatility.

Personally, I'd like to see him get a crack at the first team. He could turn out to be our 2nd most talented O-Linemen.

Originally posted by lamontb:
What they are currently putting out there wouldn't cut it in the arena league

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#XFL

Originally posted by lamontb:
What they are currently putting out there wouldn't cut it in the arena league

It doesn't look good as of right now, that's for sure, but things could change come week 1.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
So do a pie chart and have some fun.

Is it subjective if it becomes fact over multiple years? There's only 3 people on the planet who wouldn't admit the OL was a big reason for the loss. Maybe less now.

And the failure wasn't just on the players. They did the best they could. They just weren't very talented IMHO and all the playoff numbers back that up. The real failure was on the FO over many years.

But if you do want to talk about other failed units too I could just as easily talk about the FO again since once again, the defense collectively failed again in the 4Q despite a FO that spent years and years and years of resources to build up for a defense that could close out games. So did they fail because of a talent deficiency, scheme/coaching, and/or player execution?

They all failed equally so then it's an equal failure across the board right?

What people said the OL wasn't a factor for the loss? Now YOU are the one making things up. That's never happened.

Which players weren't very talented?

Equally? That's subjective but the discussion yesterday was the QB and OL should be equal on the pie chart. My issue wasn't about the weight but ensuring all the elements were included in the pie. But that's just me.

OK, what weight would you give the QB and OL?

Playoffs: Brunskill and Compton are not talented and Tomlinson reverted back to being poor in PP again. Mack was solid...average. Trent was injured. And together they couldn't run or pass block.

The O line was definitely not good enough to overcome two injured starting tackles.

Well really No team can really over come losing both tackles, The issue I have is Trent William get hurt almost every year. He is going to miss games and they did nothing for when he is out. MM is coming off serious injury what if he is not ready for the start of the year or get hurt early and is out. They will be lining up 2 back up tackles. If anyone ells get hurt at that point there in real trouble. All the OL depth is later round talent. There is no one pushing the starter for a job. Over the years they should have put a little less on the DL and a Little more on the OL in the draft.