49ers Offensive Line

It's hard to say who should be where until we actually get a look at everyone. We haven't seen Spencer, we haven't seen Brendel outside of preseason, nor McG coming off a serious injury.

I've seen Brunskill inside and I don't want him there. He was so much better as a swing tackle. Let him be that with McKivitz.

It's premature, but without seeing anyone yet, my depth chart would be:

Starters
OT - Williams, McG
OG - Banks, Moore
C - Brendel

Backups
OT - McK, Brunskill (T/G/C)
IOL - Burford, Poe, Zakelj (T/G/C)

Originally posted by dlance:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
So do a pie chart and have some fun.

Is it subjective if it becomes fact over multiple years? There's only 3 people on the planet who wouldn't admit the OL was a big reason for the loss. Maybe less now.

And the failure wasn't just on the players. They did the best they could. They just weren't very talented IMHO and all the playoff numbers back that up. The real failure was on the FO over many years.

But if you do want to talk about other failed units too I could just as easily talk about the FO again since once again, the defense collectively failed again in the 4Q despite a FO that spent years and years and years of resources to build up for a defense that could close out games. So did they fail because of a talent deficiency, scheme/coaching, and/or player execution?

They all failed equally so then it's an equal failure across the board right?

What people said the OL wasn't a factor for the loss? Now YOU are the one making things up. That's never happened.

Which players weren't very talented?

Equally? That's subjective but the discussion yesterday was the QB and OL should be equal on the pie chart. My issue wasn't about the weight but ensuring all the elements were included in the pie. But that's just me.

OK, what weight would you give the QB and OL?

Playoffs: Brunskill and Compton are not talented and Tomlinson reverted back to being poor in PP again. Mack was solid...average. Trent was injured. And together they couldn't run or pass block.

The O line was definitely not good enough to overcome two injured starting tackles.

Well really No team can really over come losing both tackles, The issue I have is Trent William get hurt almost every year. He is going to miss games and they did nothing for when he is out. MM is coming off serious injury what if he is not ready for the start of the year or get hurt early and is out. They will be lining up 2 back up tackles. If anyone ells get hurt at that point there in real trouble. All the OL depth is later round talent. There is no one pushing the starter for a job. Over the years they should have put a little less on the DL and a Little more on the OL in the draft.

Where have you been all my life? LOL

The guaranteed injuries going into the playoffs are horrible. Not learning from it is worse though.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
My Inferred Offensive Line Depth Chart after day 1:

1st Team:
Williams - Banks - Brendel - Burford - McGlinchey

2nd/3rd Team:
McKivitz/Moore/Brunskill - Moore/Zakelj - Brunskill - Moore/Brunskill - Moore/McKivitz/Brunskill

Outside looking in:
Skule, Sutherland, Shleuter, Po, West

Off the bench, McKivitz would come in at LT; Moore at LG, RG, and RT; and Brunskill at C.

After day 2:
no change, but it's noticeable that Burford remains starting at RG (as opposed to cycling through different players). It's unknown whether Moore would be starting at RG if McGlinchey were practicing.

edit-
Center also appears to be up in the air between Brendel and Brunskill, and you'd probably lean Brunskill based on experience.

After day 3:
major shakeup at multiple positions. New implied depth chart:

1st team:
Williams - Banks - Brunskill - Burford - McGlinchey

2nd/3rd team:
Moore/McKivitz - Moore/Zakelj - Brendel - Moore/Zakelj - McKivitz/Moore

Wow and I thought McG was still being replaced by Moore and they were still giving up insta-pressure but again we'll see when the magic pads come on.

Looks like Moore could be the most Important back-up amongst the OL with his versatility.

Personally, I'd like to see him get a crack at the first team. He could turn out to be our 2nd most talented O-Linemen.

Versatile sounds great but is the guy actually good? Kyle gave him a super short lease and preferred to play Compton last year. I'd like to see him work at tackle. I hope they aren't moving him around too much instead of letting him settle in and be good at a position

Originally posted by NCommand:
Where have you been all my life? LOL

The guaranteed injuries going into the playoffs are horrible. Not learning from it is worse though.

Because Tristan Wirfs is always healthy come playoff time.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Versatile sounds great but is the guy actually good? Kyle gave him a super short lease and preferred to play Compton last year. I'd like to see him work at tackle. I hope they aren't moving him around too much instead of letting him settle in and be good at a position

He's a better fit at guard. That's where he should play.

Won't know if he's good till the pads come on and they play the Pack.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Where have you been all my life? LOL

The guaranteed injuries going into the playoffs are horrible. Not learning from it is worse though.

Because Tristan Wirfs is always healthy come playoff time.

You're about to see Tom Brady and Matt Stafford behind OL's with big losses. We saw what one "injury" to Wirfs caused.

While I think there is something to our quantity/quality correlation to injuries esp. late, I'm not faulting anyone for the injuries. The issue was not seeing the theme (like Kyle did for RB) and not building up the talent pool for 'when' it happens again.

I do think Kyle is over these dudes getting hurt though. Maybe that plays into the younger bigger frames and more straight-ahead scheme changes. We'll see.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by dlance:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
So do a pie chart and have some fun.

Is it subjective if it becomes fact over multiple years? There's only 3 people on the planet who wouldn't admit the OL was a big reason for the loss. Maybe less now.

And the failure wasn't just on the players. They did the best they could. They just weren't very talented IMHO and all the playoff numbers back that up. The real failure was on the FO over many years.

But if you do want to talk about other failed units too I could just as easily talk about the FO again since once again, the defense collectively failed again in the 4Q despite a FO that spent years and years and years of resources to build up for a defense that could close out games. So did they fail because of a talent deficiency, scheme/coaching, and/or player execution?

They all failed equally so then it's an equal failure across the board right?

What people said the OL wasn't a factor for the loss? Now YOU are the one making things up. That's never happened.

Which players weren't very talented?

Equally? That's subjective but the discussion yesterday was the QB and OL should be equal on the pie chart. My issue wasn't about the weight but ensuring all the elements were included in the pie. But that's just me.

OK, what weight would you give the QB and OL?

Playoffs: Brunskill and Compton are not talented and Tomlinson reverted back to being poor in PP again. Mack was solid...average. Trent was injured. And together they couldn't run or pass block.

The O line was definitely not good enough to overcome two injured starting tackles.

Well really No team can really over come losing both tackles, The issue I have is Trent William get hurt almost every year. He is going to miss games and they did nothing for when he is out. MM is coming off serious injury what if he is not ready for the start of the year or get hurt early and is out. They will be lining up 2 back up tackles. If anyone ells get hurt at that point there in real trouble. All the OL depth is later round talent. There is no one pushing the starter for a job. Over the years they should have put a little less on the DL and a Little more on the OL in the draft.

Strong post!

This sentence jumped off the page and is one the big reasons why I also think OL isn't going to be good. There's really no competition for starters like at ALL and it's because penciled in starters are demonstrably good or stalwarts, it's just been given. If Aaron Banks isn't very good they're screwed. No one is really pushing him. No one is pushing Brunskill at 2 positions (C and RG) and he's being moved out of necessity. Buford isn't being pushed only if maybe Brendel can play OG. Poe, Zjakel, West, Moore - they're all playing for back-up spots this season.

On the DL, Jackson, Willis, Turay, Ebukam, and Omenihu all are in fierce competition for snaps AND being pushed by Hyder who can play both inside and outside well in this scheme. It's not even the rotation, the competition has to be one the best in the NFL right now.

That's been a huge concern for me too. Even after 5 off seasons, who was pushing Tomlinson, Brunskill and McGlinchey? Who was learning from Mack?

Oh well. All new crop now.

Originally posted by NCommand:
You're about to see Tom Brady and Matt Stafford behind OL's with big losses. We saw what one "injury" to Wirfs caused.

While I think there is something to our quantity/quality correlation to injuries esp. late, I'm not faulting anyone for the injuries. The issue was not seeing the theme (like Kyle did for RB) and not building up the talent pool for 'when' it happens again.

I do think Kyle is over these dudes getting hurt though. Maybe that plays into the bigger frames and more straight-ahead scheme changes. We'll see.

Certainly possible. Neither team has great depth. Hell even the Chargers D dominated their counterpart and they got back to back 1sts on the o line along with your boy at center.

29 years
5 teams
3 starts

I don´t know who thought that Brendel could be a good starting C and after 3 practices they´re already moving Brunskill to that spot.

The O-line looks like a mess.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You're about to see Tom Brady and Matt Stafford behind OL's with big losses. We saw what one "injury" to Wirfs caused.

While I think there is something to our quantity/quality correlation to injuries esp. late, I'm not faulting anyone for the injuries. The issue was not seeing the theme (like Kyle did for RB) and not building up the talent pool for 'when' it happens again.

I do think Kyle is over these dudes getting hurt though. Maybe that plays into the bigger frames and more straight-ahead scheme changes. We'll see.

Certainly possible. Neither team has great depth. Hell even the Chargers D dominated their counterpart and they got back to back 1sts on the o line along with your boy at center.

Definitely. It's hard enough to have 3-4 talented OL esp. when there's a dearth of talent in general across the league. But I would have really liked some young homegrown talent developed by now so we wouldn't have all these questions...had a couple more answers and some more in the pipeline. It just sucks they're starting this in Trey's first year. Oh well.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
So do a pie chart and have some fun.

Is it subjective if it becomes fact over multiple years? There's only 3 people on the planet who wouldn't admit the OL was a big reason for the loss. Maybe less now.

And the failure wasn't just on the players. They did the best they could. They just weren't very talented IMHO and all the playoff numbers back that up. The real failure was on the FO over many years.

But if you do want to talk about other failed units too I could just as easily talk about the FO again since once again, the defense collectively failed again in the 4Q despite a FO that spent years and years and years of resources to build up for a defense that could close out games. So did they fail because of a talent deficiency, scheme/coaching, and/or player execution?

They all failed equally so then it's an equal failure across the board right?

What people said the OL wasn't a factor for the loss? Now YOU are the one making things up. That's never happened.

Which players weren't very talented?

Equally? That's subjective but the discussion yesterday was the QB and OL should be equal on the pie chart. My issue wasn't about the weight but ensuring all the elements were included in the pie. But that's just me.

OK, what weight would you give the QB and OL?

Playoffs: Brunskill and Compton are not talented and Tomlinson reverted back to being poor in PP again. Mack was solid...average. Trent was injured. And together they couldn't run or pass block.

The O line was definitely not good enough to overcome two injured starting tackles.

And whose is?

No one is and that is the point.

You sure that's the point?

Did the Bucs sign Tretter?

Originally posted by mayo49:
Did the Bucs sign Tretter?

They will

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Did the Bucs sign Tretter?

They will

We've got to beat them to it.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Strong post!

This sentence jumped off the page and is one the big reasons why I also think OL isn't going to be good. There's really no competition for starters like at ALL and it's not because penciled in starters are demonstrably good or stalwarts, it's just been given. If Aaron Banks isn't very good they're screwed. No one is really pushing him. No one is pushing Brunskill at 2 positions (C and RG) and he's being moved out of necessity. Buford isn't being pushed only if maybe Brendel can play OG. Poe, Zjakel, West, Moore - they're all playing for back-up spots this season.

On the DL, Jackson, Willis, Turay, Ebukam, and Omenihu all are in fierce competition for snaps AND being pushed by Hyder who can play both inside and outside well in this scheme. It's not even the rotation, the competition has to be one the best in the NFL right now.

Exactly. Hear hear! I just wish we traded for a Center or just signed JC Tretter that way we would have at least 3 good players on the OL. After all, we are starting a young qb and one would think we wanted to protect him.

This Front office ALWAYS reacts a year too late. They made the mistake at DE, then CB and now OL. It's a good thing Trey is mobile