49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by Giedi:
Age?

Started getting hurt 6 years in. That was his prime.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Age?

Started getting hurt 6 years in. That was his prime.

Average career in the NFL is 3 years.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nobody said 2 deep. What did Kyle do when he started having injuries at RB?

He added players. Just like he did at OL.

If you want competition at every position and be ready for injuries then yah it's expecting a starter level player on the two deep.

Kind of...

First, he values the *position greatly. Second, he recognized the annual pattern of injuries. Third, he started adding volume to it (FA veterans, higher capital like Joe Williams of draft picks, and late and UDFA's) and stashing 2-3 more on the PS to help offset that (3 prong approach). Fourth, he activated 5 RB's for the first time in his career stating it is now a "necessity" (e.g. he was adapting to reality). Fifth, he started letting injury proned players walk despite their talent (Breida and Mostert) in an effort to rectify the obvious issue. Sixth, he started using higher end draft capital like Sermon which for the RB position is the equivalent to a first or second round pick for other units. Seventh, the second he didn't see immediate returns, he doubled down on it (TDP > Sermon) . And finally, he even started using his QB and WR1 in the running game (lowers attempts for injured RB's playing hurt).

*The trick here is he and Turner have a keen eye for talent at RB. If you don't have that first, nothing else matters.

Everything about these 'actions' tells you how important RB is to his system, that he quickly saw the injury issue and then did everything he could to rectify it including using outside-the-box tactics. He stacked the position and if it wasn't immediately providing returns, he added more talent to it and he won't stop until it meets that standard.

This is his mindset on OL. See the difference?

"So we're in this situation, we knew Mack had a chance to leave, but you don't want to take that risk. Just stockpiling other players when you can do that at other positions." ~ Kyle Shanahan

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kind of...

First, he values the *position greatly. Second, he recognized the annual pattern of injuries. Third, he started adding volume to it (FA veterans, higher capital like Joe Williams of draft picks, and late and UDFA's) and stashing 2-3 more on the PS to help offset that (3 prong approach). Fourth, he activated 5 RB's for the first time in his career stating it is now a "necessity" (e.g. he was adapting to reality). Fifth, he started letting injury proned players walk despite their talent (Breida and Mostert) in an effort to rectify the obvious issue. Sixth, he started using higher end draft capital like Sermon which for the RB position is the equivalent to a first or second round pick for other units. Seventh, the second he didn't see immediate returns, he doubled down on it . And finally, he even started using his QB and WR1 in the running game.

*The trick here is he and Turner have a keen eye for the talent at RB. If you don't have that first, nothing else matters.

Everything about these 'actions' tells you how important RB is to his system, that he quickly saw the injury issue and then did everything he could to rectify it including using outside-the-box tactics. He stacked the position and if it wasn't immediately providing returns, he added more talent to it and he won't stop until it meets that standard.

This is his mindset on OL. See the difference?

"So we're in this situation, we knew Mack had a chance to leave, but you don't want to take that risk. Just stockpiling other players when you can do that at other positions." ~ Kyle Shanahan

He's saying that because at other positions you can stockpile because they can actually play snaps and bring value. Banks played what 5 snaps last year.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Where have you been all my life? LOL

The guaranteed injuries going into the playoffs are horrible. Not learning from it is worse though.

Because Tristan Wirfs is always healthy come playoff time.

You're about to see Tom Brady and Matt Stafford behind OL's with big losses. We saw what one "injury" to Wirfs caused.

While I think there is something to our quantity/quality correlation to injuries esp. late, I'm not faulting anyone for the injuries. The issue was not seeing the theme (like Kyle did for RB) and not building up the talent pool for 'when' it happens again.

I do think Kyle is over these dudes getting hurt though. Maybe that plays into the younger bigger frames and more straight-ahead scheme changes. We'll see.

I think Banks, Burford, Moore, and Zakelj is a good start at developing that talent pool conveyor belt we both want on the OLine. Add in some talented undrafted free agents Poe and West, and some young veterans in McKivitz, Skule. Agree, it's not ideal, considering the missed opportunities like Joe Williams, Hurd, Pettis, Solomon that could have been used to bolster the OLine, but I like where ShanaLynch is trending. We're adding these guys to the established guys - Trent, Brunskill, and McGlinchy - who aren't exactly a terrible group if they are all healthy.

Nothing wrong with adding as many 4th-UDFA's as possible. But that's only 1 prong. In short, that IS our total pool to choose from.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kind of...

First, he values the *position greatly. Second, he recognized the annual pattern of injuries. Third, he started adding volume to it (FA veterans, higher capital like Joe Williams of draft picks, and late and UDFA's) and stashing 2-3 more on the PS to help offset that (3 prong approach). Fourth, he activated 5 RB's for the first time in his career stating it is now a "necessity" (e.g. he was adapting to reality). Fifth, he started letting injury proned players walk despite their talent (Breida and Mostert) in an effort to rectify the obvious issue. Sixth, he started using higher end draft capital like Sermon which for the RB position is the equivalent to a first or second round pick for other units. Seventh, the second he didn't see immediate returns, he doubled down on it . And finally, he even started using his QB and WR1 in the running game.

*The trick here is he and Turner have a keen eye for the talent at RB. If you don't have that first, nothing else matters.

Everything about these 'actions' tells you how important RB is to his system, that he quickly saw the injury issue and then did everything he could to rectify it including using outside-the-box tactics. He stacked the position and if it wasn't immediately providing returns, he added more talent to it and he won't stop until it meets that standard.

This is his mindset on OL. See the difference?

"So we're in this situation, we knew Mack had a chance to leave, but you don't want to take that risk. Just stockpiling other players when you can do that at other positions." ~ Kyle Shanahan

He's saying that because at other positions you can stockpile because they can actually play snaps and bring value. Banks played what 5 snaps last year.

How are you adverse to stockpiling a unit you already know is average on talent at best (you just saw it fail a couple months ago in the NFCCG) WITH your C hanging in the balance? It simply shows his mindset on team building here and needless to say, his actions have absolutely matched that. Don't you think?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kind of...

First, he values the *position greatly. Second, he recognized the annual pattern of injuries. Third, he started adding volume to it (FA veterans, higher capital like Joe Williams of draft picks, and late and UDFA's) and stashing 2-3 more on the PS to help offset that (3 prong approach). Fourth, he activated 5 RB's for the first time in his career stating it is now a "necessity" (e.g. he was adapting to reality). Fifth, he started letting injury proned players walk despite their talent (Breida and Mostert) in an effort to rectify the obvious issue. Sixth, he started using higher end draft capital like Sermon which for the RB position is the equivalent to a first or second round pick for other units. Seventh, the second he didn't see immediate returns, he doubled down on it . And finally, he even started using his QB and WR1 in the running game.

*The trick here is he and Turner have a keen eye for the talent at RB. If you don't have that first, nothing else matters.

Everything about these 'actions' tells you how important RB is to his system, that he quickly saw the injury issue and then did everything he could to rectify it including using outside-the-box tactics. He stacked the position and if it wasn't immediately providing returns, he added more talent to it and he won't stop until it meets that standard.

This is his mindset on OL. See the difference?

"So we're in this situation, we knew Mack had a chance to leave, but you don't want to take that risk. Just stockpiling other players when you can do that at other positions." ~ Kyle Shanahan

He's saying that because at other positions you can stockpile because they can actually play snaps and bring value. Banks played what 5 snaps last year.

NC thought he had something there

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nothing wrong with adding as many 4th-UDFA's as possible. But that's only 1 prong. In short, that IS our total pool to choose from.

What team out there has a pool of backup 1st and 2nd day picks and starter level FA signings?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kind of...

First, he values the *position greatly. Second, he recognized the annual pattern of injuries. Third, he started adding volume to it (FA veterans, higher capital like Joe Williams of draft picks, and late and UDFA's) and stashing 2-3 more on the PS to help offset that (3 prong approach). Fourth, he activated 5 RB's for the first time in his career stating it is now a "necessity" (e.g. he was adapting to reality). Fifth, he started letting injury proned players walk despite their talent (Breida and Mostert) in an effort to rectify the obvious issue. Sixth, he started using higher end draft capital like Sermon which for the RB position is the equivalent to a first or second round pick for other units. Seventh, the second he didn't see immediate returns, he doubled down on it . And finally, he even started using his QB and WR1 in the running game.

*The trick here is he and Turner have a keen eye for the talent at RB. If you don't have that first, nothing else matters.

Everything about these 'actions' tells you how important RB is to his system, that he quickly saw the injury issue and then did everything he could to rectify it including using outside-the-box tactics. He stacked the position and if it wasn't immediately providing returns, he added more talent to it and he won't stop until it meets that standard.

This is his mindset on OL. See the difference?

"So we're in this situation, we knew Mack had a chance to leave, but you don't want to take that risk. Just stockpiling other players when you can do that at other positions." ~ Kyle Shanahan

He's saying that because at other positions you can stockpile because they can actually play snaps and bring value. Banks played what 5 snaps last year.

NC thought he had something there

What he's specifically saying here is why draft a high end C or pick up a higher end C in FA if Mack decides to stay? That's "risky" to him. So instead of being proactive and permanently fixing the issue, he ends up getting caught with his pants pulled down. In addition, stockpiling the C position last year with youth was the time to do it so WHEN Mack retired, he'd be next in line. Or don't go moneyball with Mack only and just lock it up for 5 years with Corey Linsley.

Originally posted by NCommand:
How are you adverse to stockpiling a unit you already know is average on talent at best (you just saw it fail a couple months ago in the NFCCG) WITH your C hanging in the balance? It simply shows his mindset on team building here and needless to say, his actions have absolutely matched that. Don't you think?

So who should he be emulating? Who is doing what you suggest?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nothing wrong with adding as many 4th-UDFA's as possible. But that's only 1 prong. In short, that IS our total pool to choose from.

What team out there has a pool of backup 1st and 2nd day picks and starter level FA signings?

What 1st and 2nd day picks? Trent? Mike McGlinchey who's probably gone next year? Banks?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
How are you adverse to stockpiling a unit you already know is average on talent at best (you just saw it fail a couple months ago in the NFCCG) WITH your C hanging in the balance? It simply shows his mindset on team building here and needless to say, his actions have absolutely matched that. Don't you think?

So who should he be emulating? Who is doing what you suggest?

Emulating? Nobody. Does he emulate any other team in the NFL on the RB position? Does Lynch emulate anybody on the DL position? Of course not. They're working from within his own reality and values.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Emulating? Nobody. Does he emulate any other team in the NFL on the RB position? Does Lynch emulate anybody on the DL position? Of course not. They're working from within his own reality and values.

No team has RB depth? Seahawks have a first and second rounder right now on their roster.

Take a look at the Bills D line depth.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kind of...

First, he values the *position greatly. Second, he recognized the annual pattern of injuries. Third, he started adding volume to it (FA veterans, higher capital like Joe Williams of draft picks, and late and UDFA's) and stashing 2-3 more on the PS to help offset that (3 prong approach). Fourth, he activated 5 RB's for the first time in his career stating it is now a "necessity" (e.g. he was adapting to reality). Fifth, he started letting injury proned players walk despite their talent (Breida and Mostert) in an effort to rectify the obvious issue. Sixth, he started using higher end draft capital like Sermon which for the RB position is the equivalent to a first or second round pick for other units. Seventh, the second he didn't see immediate returns, he doubled down on it . And finally, he even started using his QB and WR1 in the running game.

*The trick here is he and Turner have a keen eye for the talent at RB. If you don't have that first, nothing else matters.

Everything about these 'actions' tells you how important RB is to his system, that he quickly saw the injury issue and then did everything he could to rectify it including using outside-the-box tactics. He stacked the position and if it wasn't immediately providing returns, he added more talent to it and he won't stop until it meets that standard.

This is his mindset on OL. See the difference?

"So we're in this situation, we knew Mack had a chance to leave, but you don't want to take that risk. Just stockpiling other players when you can do that at other positions." ~ Kyle Shanahan

He's saying that because at other positions you can stockpile because they can actually play snaps and bring value. Banks played what 5 snaps last year.

NC thought he had something there

What he's specifically saying here is why draft a high end C or pick up a higher end C in FA if Mack decides to stay? That's "risky" to him. So instead of being proactive and permanently fixing the issue, he ends up getting caught with his pants pulled down. In addition, stockpiling the C position last year with youth was the time to do it so WHEN Mack retired, he'd be next in line. Or don't go moneyball with Mack only and just lock it up for 5 years with Corey Linsley.

Yet they locked up the best tackle early in 21 and signed Mack to 3 years. Mack made his retirement decision so late and unexpected

Shouldn't there be at least one team doing what you suggest?