49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Is that Brunskill #60? Who's #66?

Brunskill is 60, 66 I think is Keaton Sutherland and if there is one thing this clip shows, we should have signed Tretter a few days ago.

Brunskill is very unnatural snapping. He got a bit better but just watching him next to a dude like Sutherland, you can really see the difference in how much smoother and natural Keaton is.

Don't worry NC, all it will take to demote Brunskill behind Brendel is a fumbled snap or two by the center in pre-season, and he'll be 3rd string center.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Hardcoreniner559:
Ncommand dial up a trade for a center ASAP and a rg while your at it

I want Tretter, otherwise, Trey is going to be on his ass from up the middle with the centers we have now.

Between starting Brunskill or a raw - but talented rookie, I'd personally choose raw but talented rookie.

P.S. on Tretter, the last thing I'd like on my team is players that aren't durable.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Hardcoreniner559:
Ncommand dial up a trade for a center ASAP and a rg while your at it

I want Tretter, otherwise, Trey is going to be on his ass from up the middle with the centers we have now.

Between starting Brunskill or a raw - but talented rookie, I'd personally choose raw but talented rookie.

P.S. on Tretter, the last thing I'd like on my team is players that aren't durable.

He has durability issues? I thought he was clean?

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Hardcoreniner559:
Ncommand dial up a trade for a center ASAP and a rg while your at it

I want Tretter, otherwise, Trey is going to be on his ass from up the middle with the centers we have now.

Between starting Brunskill or a raw - but talented rookie, I'd personally choose raw but talented rookie.

P.S. on Tretter, the last thing I'd like on my team is players that aren't durable.

He has durability issues? I thought he was clean?

Ain't no clean, durable and good center going to be sitting there in FA this long

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Hardcoreniner559:
Ncommand dial up a trade for a center ASAP and a rg while your at it

I want Tretter, otherwise, Trey is going to be on his ass from up the middle with the centers we have now.

Between starting Brunskill or a raw - but talented rookie, I'd personally choose raw but talented rookie.

P.S. on Tretter, the last thing I'd like on my team is players that aren't durable.

He has durability issues? I thought he was clean?

Ain't no clean, durable and good center going to be sitting there in FA this long

Thanks, Sherlock.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Hardcoreniner559:
Ncommand dial up a trade for a center ASAP and a rg while your at it

I want Tretter, otherwise, Trey is going to be on his ass from up the middle with the centers we have now.

Between starting Brunskill or a raw - but talented rookie, I'd personally choose raw but talented rookie.

P.S. on Tretter, the last thing I'd like on my team is players that aren't durable.

He has durability issues? I thought he was clean?

Ain't no clean, durable and good center going to be sitting there in FA this long

Thanks, Sherlock.

He has played in 16 games each over the last 5 seasons. His blocking grades look solid but he is still not signed. There is definitely something up with him.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Hardcoreniner559:
Ncommand dial up a trade for a center ASAP and a rg while your at it

I want Tretter, otherwise, Trey is going to be on his ass from up the middle with the centers we have now.

Between starting Brunskill or a raw - but talented rookie, I'd personally choose raw but talented rookie.

P.S. on Tretter, the last thing I'd like on my team is players that aren't durable.

He has durability issues? I thought he was clean?

Ain't no clean, durable and good center going to be sitting there in FA this long

Thanks, Sherlock.

He has played in 16 games each over the last 5 seasons. His blocking grades look solid but he is still not signed. There is definitely something up with him.

The only thing I can think of is his age, but he's still in his early 30's.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Why have the 9ers not used draft picks on reserve linebackers like the DL? No 1sts and 2nds to push Greenlaw or Al Shaiir. No starting level depth if they are hurt. Blind spot?

1. They have an excellent eye for talent there.
2. They had Holland/Ryans to develop and coach them up over years.
3. You only need 2 starters.
4. Strategy can easily be modified to work around an injury.

As a result, they are 5 deep and probably the best LB unit in the NFL.

Honestly, if Kyle's strategy on the OL worked (3rd rounder + UDFA's and no misses on draft picks) like LB, this thread would be totally dead. They failed miserably on Kwon Alexander and Reuben Foster though. That thread was hot for a long time as a result like in here now. Once they finally fixed it, it went silent.

Can't wait for that day in here!

Good point about Demeco, never really thought about it before from that angle. I'm going to be on pins and needles when we lose Demeco next year. But I will look forward to the extra 3rd rounders we get as compensation for losing him, for sure. Linebacker corps will probably stay very strong if Vic Fangio replaces Demeco though.

And Holland is back and huge for this unit. I can't remember which pod I heard this on, but Azeez would ride his bike to Holland's house to hang out and learn some more. They are very tight. Don't be surprised if he is elevated over Greenlaw or is kept over him if they are forced to choose.

On the flip side, I hope no OL are riding their bikes and hanging out at Foerster's home.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Why have the 9ers not used draft picks on reserve linebackers like the DL? No 1sts and 2nds to push Greenlaw or Al Shaiir. No starting level depth if they are hurt. Blind spot?

They feel like they can "find" linebackers pretty good and I can't doubt them due to the results. They were burned with the risk they took early with Foster and seems to have learned from it.

Why spend too much capital on a position we're good @ finding and having them perform better than others foresaw?

The formula's pretty clear. Overload on the DLine where u arent going to be able to pull the same tricks when it comes to big athletic bodies.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Why have the 9ers not used draft picks on reserve linebackers like the DL? No 1sts and 2nds to push Greenlaw or Al Shaiir. No starting level depth if they are hurt. Blind spot?

1. They have an excellent eye for talent there.
2. They had Holland/Ryans to develop and coach them up over years.
3. You only need 2 starters.
4. Strategy can easily be modified to work around an injury.

As a result, they are 5 deep and probably the best LB unit in the NFL.

Honestly, if Kyle's strategy on the OL worked (3rd rounder + UDFA's and no misses on draft picks) like LB, this thread would be totally dead. They failed miserably on Kwon Alexander and Reuben Foster though. That thread was hot for a long time as a result like in here now. Once they finally fixed it, it went silent.

Can't wait for that day in here!

Good point about Demeco, never really thought about it before from that angle. I'm going to be on pins and needles when we lose Demeco next year. But I will look forward to the extra 3rd rounders we get as compensation for losing him, for sure. Linebacker corps will probably stay very strong if Vic Fangio replaces Demeco though.

And Holland is back and huge for this unit. I can't remember which pod i heard this on but Azeez would ride his bike to Holland's house to hang out and learn some more. They are very tight. Don't be surprised if he is elevated over Greenlaw or is kept over him if they are forced to choose.

On the flip side, I hope no OL are riding their bikes and hanging out at Foerster's home.

This is a solid, or so it seems, offensive coaching staff. Foerster is the only one remaining from the last regime. There is potential for some greatness here. I don't know when or if Bobby Turner comes back. I'm betting he's not coming back. He's 73 and undergoing some serious surgery - a 73 year old guy's immune system isn't the same as when he was 25. I'm just hoping and praying he'll be fine *and does come back.*

On paper the rest of the offensive coaching staff looks pretty good. Anthony Lynn, I think, has changed Kyle's run philosophy a bit, or maybe Kyle wanted those run philosophy stuff changed hence Anthony Lynn.

One other reason I want raw but talented rookies to be thrown into a starting role offensive line role is to see if Foerster's got a bit of Kocurek in him, in that he can spot talent and develop the talent. Just like a raw but talented player, you got to play him to see if he can play, I want to see if Foerster can spot, coach and develop players the way Demeco does and the way Kocurek does, with the young 'uns.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Why have the 9ers not used draft picks on reserve linebackers like the DL? No 1sts and 2nds to push Greenlaw or Al Shaiir. No starting level depth if they are hurt. Blind spot?

1. They have an excellent eye for talent there.
2. They had Holland/Ryans to develop and coach them up over years.
3. You only need 2 starters.
4. Strategy can easily be modified to work around an injury.

As a result, they are 5 deep and probably the best LB unit in the NFL.

Honestly, if Kyle's strategy on the OL worked (3rd rounder + UDFA's and no misses on draft picks) like LB, this thread would be totally dead. They failed miserably on Kwon Alexander and Reuben Foster though. That thread was hot for a long time as a result like in here now. Once they finally fixed it, it went silent.

Can't wait for that day in here!

Good point about Demeco, never really thought about it before from that angle. I'm going to be on pins and needles when we lose Demeco next year. But I will look forward to the extra 3rd rounders we get as compensation for losing him, for sure. Linebacker corps will probably stay very strong if Vic Fangio replaces Demeco though.

And Holland is back and huge for this unit. I can't remember which pod i heard this on but Azeez would ride his bike to Holland's house to hang out and learn some more. They are very tight. Don't be surprised if he is elevated over Greenlaw or is kept over him if they are forced to choose.

On the flip side, I hope no OL are riding their bikes and hanging out at Foerster's home.

This is a solid, or so it seems, offensive coaching staff. Foerster is the only one remaining from the last regime. There is potential for some greatness here. I don't know when or if Bobby Turner comes back. I'm betting he's not coming back. He's 73 and undergoing some serious surgery - a 73 year old guy's immune system isn't the same as when he was 25. I'm just hoping and praying he'll be fine *and does come back.*

On paper the rest of the offensive coaching staff looks pretty good. Anthony Lynn, I think, has changed Kyle's run philosophy a bit, or maybe Kyle wanted those run philosophy stuff changed hence Anthony Lynn.

One other reason I want raw but talented rookies to be thrown into a starting role offensive line role is to see if Foerster's got a bit of Kocurek in him, in that he can spot talent and develop the talent. Just like a raw but talented player, you got to play him to see if he can play, I want to see if Foerster can spot, coach and develop players the way Demeco does and the way Kocurek does, with the young 'uns.

That's the key right there! We know for a fact, Kocurek and Holland/Ryan give feedback on players they like and sometimes even pound the table for them (Kinlaw). It would be cool to know if Foerster and Lynn added similar input for the OL picks this year although Burford and Zjakel seemed to be on Peters radar for years.

I can't wait to find out what this new group can offer. If they can just stalemate against this DL, it would be incredibly encouraging.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Why have the 9ers not used draft picks on reserve linebackers like the DL? No 1sts and 2nds to push Greenlaw or Al Shaiir. No starting level depth if they are hurt. Blind spot?

1. They have an excellent eye for talent there.
2. They had Holland/Ryans to develop and coach them up over years.
3. You only need 2 starters.
4. Strategy can easily be modified to work around an injury.

As a result, they are 5 deep and probably the best LB unit in the NFL.

Honestly, if Kyle's strategy on the OL worked (3rd rounder + UDFA's and no misses on draft picks) like LB, this thread would be totally dead. They failed miserably on Kwon Alexander and Reuben Foster though. That thread was hot for a long time as a result like in here now. Once they finally fixed it, it went silent.

Can't wait for that day in here!

Good point about Demeco, never really thought about it before from that angle. I'm going to be on pins and needles when we lose Demeco next year. But I will look forward to the extra 3rd rounders we get as compensation for losing him, for sure. Linebacker corps will probably stay very strong if Vic Fangio replaces Demeco though.

And Holland is back and huge for this unit. I can't remember which pod i heard this on but Azeez would ride his bike to Holland's house to hang out and learn some more. They are very tight. Don't be surprised if he is elevated over Greenlaw or is kept over him if they are forced to choose.

On the flip side, I hope no OL are riding their bikes and hanging out at Foerster's home.

This is a solid, or so it seems, offensive coaching staff. Foerster is the only one remaining from the last regime. There is potential for some greatness here. I don't know when or if Bobby Turner comes back. I'm betting he's not coming back. He's 73 and undergoing some serious surgery - a 73 year old guy's immune system isn't the same as when he was 25. I'm just hoping and praying he'll be fine *and does come back.*

On paper the rest of the offensive coaching staff looks pretty good. Anthony Lynn, I think, has changed Kyle's run philosophy a bit, or maybe Kyle wanted those run philosophy stuff changed hence Anthony Lynn.

One other reason I want raw but talented rookies to be thrown into a starting role offensive line role is to see if Foerster's got a bit of Kocurek in him, in that he can spot talent and develop the talent. Just like a raw but talented player, you got to play him to see if he can play, I want to see if Foerster can spot, coach and develop players the way Demeco does and the way Kocurek does, with the young 'uns.

That's the key right there! We know for a fact, Kocurek and Holland/Ryan give feedback on players they like and sometimes even pound the table for them (Kinlaw). It would be cool to know if Foerster and Lynn added similar input for the OL picks this year although Burford and Zjakel seemed to be on Peters radar for years.

I can't wait to find out what this new group can offer. If they can just stalemate against this DL, it would be incredibly encouraging.

I think a good position coach is always - somehow - communicating with the scouts. I know Mike and Kyle are looking at QB's that are in high school right now with their QB Collective coaching organization. So I would think guys like Cregg and Graves have something, probably more informal, since they don't make the big bucks the way the Shanahan's do. Walsh spotted Jerry on a Saturday watching college football on TV. That's one way of scouting players.

Raw Talent plus good coaching should equal a great player. Foerster, I think is a good coach. Otherwise Kyle would not have hired him. The question I have is whether or not he's a great coach like Kocureck and Demeco.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Why have the 9ers not used draft picks on reserve linebackers like the DL? No 1sts and 2nds to push Greenlaw or Al Shaiir. No starting level depth if they are hurt. Blind spot?

1. They have an excellent eye for talent there.
2. They had Holland/Ryans to develop and coach them up over years.
3. You only need 2 starters.
4. Strategy can easily be modified to work around an injury.

As a result, they are 5 deep and probably the best LB unit in the NFL.

Honestly, if Kyle's strategy on the OL worked (3rd rounder + UDFA's and no misses on draft picks) like LB, this thread would be totally dead. They failed miserably on Kwon Alexander and Reuben Foster though. That thread was hot for a long time as a result like in here now. Once they finally fixed it, it went silent.

Can't wait for that day in here!

Good point about Demeco, never really thought about it before from that angle. I'm going to be on pins and needles when we lose Demeco next year. But I will look forward to the extra 3rd rounders we get as compensation for losing him, for sure. Linebacker corps will probably stay very strong if Vic Fangio replaces Demeco though.

And Holland is back and huge for this unit. I can't remember which pod i heard this on but Azeez would ride his bike to Holland's house to hang out and learn some more. They are very tight. Don't be surprised if he is elevated over Greenlaw or is kept over him if they are forced to choose.

On the flip side, I hope no OL are riding their bikes and hanging out at Foerster's home.

This is a solid, or so it seems, offensive coaching staff. Foerster is the only one remaining from the last regime. There is potential for some greatness here. I don't know when or if Bobby Turner comes back. I'm betting he's not coming back. He's 73 and undergoing some serious surgery - a 73 year old guy's immune system isn't the same as when he was 25. I'm just hoping and praying he'll be fine *and does come back.*

On paper the rest of the offensive coaching staff looks pretty good. Anthony Lynn, I think, has changed Kyle's run philosophy a bit, or maybe Kyle wanted those run philosophy stuff changed hence Anthony Lynn.

One other reason I want raw but talented rookies to be thrown into a starting role offensive line role is to see if Foerster's got a bit of Kocurek in him, in that he can spot talent and develop the talent. Just like a raw but talented player, you got to play him to see if he can play, I want to see if Foerster can spot, coach and develop players the way Demeco does and the way Kocurek does, with the young 'uns.

That's the key right there! We know for a fact, Kocurek and Holland/Ryan give feedback on players they like and sometimes even pound the table for them (Kinlaw). It would be cool to know if Foerster and Lynn added similar input for the OL picks this year although Burford and Zjakel seemed to be on Peters radar for years.

I can't wait to find out what this new group can offer. If they can just stalemate against this DL, it would be incredibly encouraging.

I think a good position coach is always - somehow - communicating with the scouts. I know Mike and Kyle are looking at QB's that are in high school right now with their QB Collective coaching organization. So I would think guys like Cregg and Graves have something, probably more informal, since they don't make the big bucks the way the Shanahan's do. Walsh spotted Jerry on a Saturday watching college football on TV. That's one way of scouting players.

Raw Talent plus good coaching should equal a great player. Foerster, I think is a good coach. Otherwise Kyle would not have hired him. The question I have is whether or not he's a great coach like Kocureck and Demeco.

We're about to find out. They have done a terrific job of getting the most out of emergency spot starters.

Of note, when McGlinchey came back, Moore stayed out at T and for the 4th day in a row, Burford took every first team snap at RG...who's a RT (w/ G experience). Too bad they didn't draft Wirfs. Might have won a Superbowl. Hehe.

Anyhow, this is pretty significant given Moore had a full redshirt year and was gearing up to start at RG...now he's out at T.

We'll find out Moore on Monday!

Originally posted by NCommand:
Of note, when McGlinchey came back, Moore stayed out at T and for the 4th day in a row, Burford took every first team snap at RG...who's a RT (w/ G experience). Too bad they didn't draft Wirfs. Might have won a Superbowl. Hehe.

Anyhow, this is pretty significant given Moore had a full redshirt year and was gearing up to start at RG...now he's out at T.

We'll find out Moore on Monday!

You just love stirring the pot, don't you? Haha

So when McGlinchey came back where did he line up if Moore stayed out at T? Did I miss something?