49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
Is McGlinchey supposed to be back for Week 1? Can't believe he was the #9 overall pick - dude has been so mediocre as a pass blocker and OK as a run blocker.

Personally, I'm more upset about his lack of durability. In a possible 22+ week season - durability becomes much more important than talent, in a lot of ways. I'd be more than happy with his superior run blocking and average pass protections skills - if he was as durable as Trent Williams.

Depth becomes more important. FWIW I wouldn't called Trent "durable" I don't think he's ever played a full season

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Gotta wonder if all these injuries on the OL down in Tampa is scheme related

personally, if McG can't go Wk1 I'd like Brunskill out there at RT

LT-Trent
LG-Banks
C-Brendel
RG-Burford
RT-Brunskill

Originally posted by NYniner85:
personally, if McG can't go Wk1 I'd like Brunskill out there at RT

LT-Trent
LG-Banks
C-Brendel
RG-Burford
RT-Brunskill

That is understandable. Brunskill brings the most experience in this offense as a back up O lineman.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
personally, if McG can't go Wk1 I'd like Brunskill out there at RT

LT-Trent
LG-Banks
C-Brendel
RG-Burford
RT-Brunskill

That is understandable. Brunskill brings the most experience in this offense as a back up O lineman.

It's where he should have been last yr . IF and when Jaylon Moore heals up, it will be interesting to see how he competes w/ Brun.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
And they'll pay for that. Just like the Rams. And Bucs too. Watch.

It's only an issue when you keep under prioritizing it. There's no magic here. When you invest in it over 6 years, chances are, it'll get better. The FO has chosen consciously to rely on these kinds of players living in the 4th-UDFA realms. And this was while knowing their annual injury issues. They paint themselves into their own corner/messes (Richburg, Mack, Person/Compton, McGlinchey).

There's been plenty of opportunities to flip that mindset and upgrade over a grocery long list of subpar OL.

At least we have a QB who can help. So that's one step.

So we are clear it's your assertion that every single nfc contending team is under prioritizing the o line?

Very possible. We'll have to see how well developed their depth is now. Some teams are better at identifying talent and developing them. Others, not so much. The one thing the Bucs and Rams have had the luxury of was health (minus Wirfs in the playoffs). Now we're about to find out the consequences of not having the luxury of health and continuity. I can't wait.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
No but you did say it was good enough when it clearly wasn't. You seem to be going down that same road with McKivitz and pivoting to gross generalizations again.

Do you REALLY think there was no way to upgrade over a dude like McKivitz? Particularly in a known year (again) that your RT has health issues?

Like GM noted, the OL are still talented coming into the league. Some still hit the ground running. The issue is prioritization, development and coaching. But we had 6 years for that.

Who would you have signed? Who's the upgrade?

I bring up the rest of the league because couldn't you say the same about Yosh Njiman in Green Bay? Hell both Packer OTs are coming off injury. Or Josh Wells in Tampa? Or the collection of crap that the Texans just dominated from the Rams? So if the majority has the same exact issue it begs the question on whether it's as easy as you guys suggest doesn't it?

And they'll pay for that. Just like the Rams. And Bucs too. Watch.

It's only an issue when you keep under prioritizing it. There's no magic here. When you invest in it over 6 years, chances are, it'll get better. The FO has chosen consciously to rely on these kinds of players living in the 4th-UDFA realms. And this was while knowing their annual injury issues. They paint themselves into their own corner/messes (Richburg, Mack, Person/Compton, McGlinchey).

There's been plenty of opportunities to flip that mindset and upgrade over a grocery long list of subpar OL.

At least we have a QB who can help. So that's one step.

All teams do. If you don't win the SB its because the team could not overcome one or two weak position groups. Our weak position groups have been O line and secondary. Looks like we have done a good job to stengthen the secondary the past couple of off seasons. We also went out and got 2 guards with a lot of potential. TW has at least 2-3 years left in him. I am counting on them to invest in OT the next couple of drafts. If we hit on one or two of those, we are set at O line.

Let's not overgeneralize. Let's focus on us and what we know. Like you alluded too; these are conscious choices. Team building strategies. Confirmed.

There were no secrets about Richburg's health and health history. The level of play of players like Brunskill, Person, McKivitz, Skule, etc. Or the health of MM and the very real possibility of Mack retiring. None of these things were unknowns or caught the team by surprise.

So when it naturally, doesn't pan out, pivoting to 'other teams' and their unique situations isn't fair or relevant to the real world topic here.

As to your hope for more focus on T's and C's next year, you know I share that with you as we all do. The key will be their own ID of a high quality C and T first...and then going and getting that player. Then developing him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
personally, if McG can't go Wk1 I'd like Brunskill out there at RT

LT-Trent
LG-Banks
C-Brendel
RG-Burford
RT-Brunskill

I really wish they would have given Brunskill snaps at RT last game instead of playing Mills the entire game. Now we're moving McKivitz to RT from LT. Scary.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
No but you did say it was good enough when it clearly wasn't. You seem to be going down that same road with McKivitz and pivoting to gross generalizations again.

Do you REALLY think there was no way to upgrade over a dude like McKivitz? Particularly in a known year (again) that your RT has health issues?

Like GM noted, the OL are still talented coming into the league. Some still hit the ground running. The issue is prioritization, development and coaching. But we had 6 years for that.

Who would you have signed? Who's the upgrade?

I bring up the rest of the league because couldn't you say the same about Yosh Njiman in Green Bay? Hell both Packer OTs are coming off injury. Or Josh Wells in Tampa? Or the collection of crap that the Texans just dominated from the Rams? So if the majority has the same exact issue it begs the question on whether it's as easy as you guys suggest doesn't it?

And they'll pay for that. Just like the Rams. And Bucs too. Watch.

It's only an issue when you keep under prioritizing it. There's no magic here. When you invest in it over 6 years, chances are, it'll get better. The FO has chosen consciously to rely on these kinds of players living in the 4th-UDFA realms. And this was while knowing their annual injury issues. They paint themselves into their own corner/messes (Richburg, Mack, Person/Compton, McGlinchey).

There's been plenty of opportunities to flip that mindset and upgrade over a grocery long list of subpar OL.

At least we have a QB who can help. So that's one step.

All teams do. If you don't win the SB its because the team could not overcome one or two weak position groups. Our weak position groups have been O line and secondary. Looks like we have done a good job to stengthen the secondary the past couple of off seasons. We also went out and got 2 guards with a lot of potential. TW has at least 2-3 years left in him. I am counting on them to invest in OT the next couple of drafts. If we hit on one or two of those, we are set at O line.

Let's not overgeneralize. Let's focus on us and what we know. Like you alluded too; these are conscious choices. Team building strategies. Confirmed.

There were no secrets about Richburg's health and health history. The level of play of players like Brunskill, Person, McKivitz, Skule, etc. Or the health of MM and the very real possibility of Mack retiring. None of these things were unknowns or caught the team by surprise.

So when it naturally, doesn't pan out, pivoting to 'other teams' and their unique situations isn't fair or relevant to the real world topic here.

As to your hope for more focus on T's and C's next year, you know I share that with you as we all do. The key will be their own ID of a high quality C and T first...and then going and getting that player. Then developing him.

As much as you like to put this FO in a vacuum, the truth is all teams deal with the task of overcoming weak position groups. Sorry if that bothers you and that you refuse to accept it.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by random49er:
To NFCCG appearances in 3 years. A hair away from 2 SB appearances in 3 years. Rated the 3rd best OL by PFF last year.

All signs point towards a staff that is plenty competent and knows what they are doing in regards to managing the OLine. Hard to argue with the results and as of now there's no need or cause for alarm.

Those are fighting words in this thread. Guess you haven't heard that the o line is a mess and is unquestionably doomed for failure this season.

Who knows. But if your goal is to win a Superbowl vs. just being competitive again, every fan should have very real concerns about this unit again.

Because the rest of the team is ready to genuinely compete for a Championship even if Trey just adds or plays moderately better than Jimmy. Like Kyle himself said, Trey's play won't make or break this team. Unless he becomes a TO machine.

In more realistic terms, next year will be the true test. See how it plays out this year and adjust accordingly. But make no mistake about it, this is a top 7 roster at least. Improvements in the OL, secondary and DB positions could very easily put this team on track for #6.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
No but you did say it was good enough when it clearly wasn't. You seem to be going down that same road with McKivitz and pivoting to gross generalizations again.

Do you REALLY think there was no way to upgrade over a dude like McKivitz? Particularly in a known year (again) that your RT has health issues?

Like GM noted, the OL are still talented coming into the league. Some still hit the ground running. The issue is prioritization, development and coaching. But we had 6 years for that.

Who would you have signed? Who's the upgrade?

I bring up the rest of the league because couldn't you say the same about Yosh Njiman in Green Bay? Hell both Packer OTs are coming off injury. Or Josh Wells in Tampa? Or the collection of crap that the Texans just dominated from the Rams? So if the majority has the same exact issue it begs the question on whether it's as easy as you guys suggest doesn't it?

And they'll pay for that. Just like the Rams. And Bucs too. Watch.

It's only an issue when you keep under prioritizing it. There's no magic here. When you invest in it over 6 years, chances are, it'll get better. The FO has chosen consciously to rely on these kinds of players living in the 4th-UDFA realms. And this was while knowing their annual injury issues. They paint themselves into their own corner/messes (Richburg, Mack, Person/Compton, McGlinchey).

There's been plenty of opportunities to flip that mindset and upgrade over a grocery long list of subpar OL.

At least we have a QB who can help. So that's one step.

All teams do. If you don't win the SB its because the team could not overcome one or two weak position groups. Our weak position groups have been O line and secondary. Looks like we have done a good job to stengthen the secondary the past couple of off seasons. We also went out and got 2 guards with a lot of potential. TW has at least 2-3 years left in him. I am counting on them to invest in OT the next couple of drafts. If we hit on one or two of those, we are set at O line.

Let's not overgeneralize. Let's focus on us and what we know. Like you alluded too; these are conscious choices. Team building strategies. Confirmed.

There were no secrets about Richburg's health and health history. The level of play of players like Brunskill, Person, McKivitz, Skule, etc. Or the health of MM and the very real possibility of Mack retiring. None of these things were unknowns or caught the team by surprise.

So when it naturally, doesn't pan out, pivoting to 'other teams' and their unique situations isn't fair or relevant to the real world topic here.

As to your hope for more focus on T's and C's next year, you know I share that with you as we all do. The key will be their own ID of a high quality C and T first...and then going and getting that player. Then developing him.

As much as you like to put this FO in a vacuum, the truth is all teams deal with the task of overcoming weak position groups. Sorry if that bothers you and that you refuse to accept it.

We're here because we know it is the weakness and has been consistently annually. It's a pattern. And conscious choices.

I understand every team has their weaker position groups; even Superbowl winners.

But this FO has had more than enough time to make this unit a strength by now and one that doesn't fall apart in the playoffs when we need it most. IMHO, of course.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
personally, if McG can't go Wk1 I'd like Brunskill out there at RT

LT-Trent
LG-Banks
C-Brendel
RG-Burford
RT-Brunskill

I really wish they would have given Brunskill snaps at RT last game instead of playing Mills the entire game. Now we're moving McKivitz to RT from LT. Scary.

I mean McKivitz has played RT. We will see what's up with McG, I'm guessing it's more precautionary then anything

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
No but you did say it was good enough when it clearly wasn't. You seem to be going down that same road with McKivitz and pivoting to gross generalizations again.

Do you REALLY think there was no way to upgrade over a dude like McKivitz? Particularly in a known year (again) that your RT has health issues?

Like GM noted, the OL are still talented coming into the league. Some still hit the ground running. The issue is prioritization, development and coaching. But we had 6 years for that.

Who would you have signed? Who's the upgrade?

I bring up the rest of the league because couldn't you say the same about Yosh Njiman in Green Bay? Hell both Packer OTs are coming off injury. Or Josh Wells in Tampa? Or the collection of crap that the Texans just dominated from the Rams? So if the majority has the same exact issue it begs the question on whether it's as easy as you guys suggest doesn't it?

And they'll pay for that. Just like the Rams. And Bucs too. Watch.

It's only an issue when you keep under prioritizing it. There's no magic here. When you invest in it over 6 years, chances are, it'll get better. The FO has chosen consciously to rely on these kinds of players living in the 4th-UDFA realms. And this was while knowing their annual injury issues. They paint themselves into their own corner/messes (Richburg, Mack, Person/Compton, McGlinchey).

There's been plenty of opportunities to flip that mindset and upgrade over a grocery long list of subpar OL.

At least we have a QB who can help. So that's one step.

All teams do. If you don't win the SB its because the team could not overcome one or two weak position groups. Our weak position groups have been O line and secondary. Looks like we have done a good job to stengthen the secondary the past couple of off seasons. We also went out and got 2 guards with a lot of potential. TW has at least 2-3 years left in him. I am counting on them to invest in OT the next couple of drafts. If we hit on one or two of those, we are set at O line.

Let's not overgeneralize. Let's focus on us and what we know. Like you alluded too; these are conscious choices. Team building strategies. Confirmed.

There were no secrets about Richburg's health and health history. The level of play of players like Brunskill, Person, McKivitz, Skule, etc. Or the health of MM and the very real possibility of Mack retiring. None of these things were unknowns or caught the team by surprise.

So when it naturally, doesn't pan out, pivoting to 'other teams' and their unique situations isn't fair or relevant to the real world topic here.

As to your hope for more focus on T's and C's next year, you know I share that with you as we all do. The key will be their own ID of a high quality C and T first...and then going and getting that player. Then developing him.

As much as you like to put this FO in a vacuum, the truth is all teams deal with the task of overcoming weak position groups. Sorry if that bothers you and that you refuse to accept it.

We're here because we know it is the weakness and has been consistently annually. It's a pattern. And conscious choices.

I understand every team has their weaker position groups; even Superbowl winners.

But this FO has had more than enough time to make this unit a strength by now and one that doesn't fall apart in the playoffs when we need it most. IMHO, of course.

While it may have not been a top priority over the first 2 off seasons or so, they have invested in the O line over the last 2-3. I believe Banks and Burford will prove that. Nothing about Brendel has me worried and we have TW anchoring the blindside. The only position I am concerned about is RT and that is solely because of MM's health. You keep trying to knock the FO for not making the O line a top priority early on in its regime. I refuse to include those first couple of years because they were tasked with a s**t load of holes to fill.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
While it may have not been a top priority over the first 2 off seasons or so, they have invested in the O line over the last 2-3. I believe Banks and Burford will prove that. Nothing about Brendel has me worried and we have TW anchoring the blindside. The only position I am concerned about is RT and that is solely because of MM's health. You keep trying to knock the FO for not making the O line a top priority early on in its regime. I refuse to include those first couple of years because they were tasked with a s**t load of holes to fill.

Agreed. We traded for Trent Williams and gave him a huge contract and have invested early draft picks. Just because they aren't ready day 1 and need some development doesn't mean we aren't investing in position

The most common argument is C but who would you have drafted and where? You could make a legit argument that we could have gotten Creed Humphery in the 2nd round last year instead of Banks but last year we had Mack and OG was a far bigger need

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
No but you did say it was good enough when it clearly wasn't. You seem to be going down that same road with McKivitz and pivoting to gross generalizations again.

Do you REALLY think there was no way to upgrade over a dude like McKivitz? Particularly in a known year (again) that your RT has health issues?

Like GM noted, the OL are still talented coming into the league. Some still hit the ground running. The issue is prioritization, development and coaching. But we had 6 years for that.

Who would you have signed? Who's the upgrade?

I bring up the rest of the league because couldn't you say the same about Yosh Njiman in Green Bay? Hell both Packer OTs are coming off injury. Or Josh Wells in Tampa? Or the collection of crap that the Texans just dominated from the Rams? So if the majority has the same exact issue it begs the question on whether it's as easy as you guys suggest doesn't it?

And they'll pay for that. Just like the Rams. And Bucs too. Watch.

It's only an issue when you keep under prioritizing it. There's no magic here. When you invest in it over 6 years, chances are, it'll get better. The FO has chosen consciously to rely on these kinds of players living in the 4th-UDFA realms. And this was while knowing their annual injury issues. They paint themselves into their own corner/messes (Richburg, Mack, Person/Compton, McGlinchey).

There's been plenty of opportunities to flip that mindset and upgrade over a grocery long list of subpar OL.

At least we have a QB who can help. So that's one step.

All teams do. If you don't win the SB its because the team could not overcome one or two weak position groups. Our weak position groups have been O line and secondary. Looks like we have done a good job to stengthen the secondary the past couple of off seasons. We also went out and got 2 guards with a lot of potential. TW has at least 2-3 years left in him. I am counting on them to invest in OT the next couple of drafts. If we hit on one or two of those, we are set at O line.

Let's not overgeneralize. Let's focus on us and what we know. Like you alluded too; these are conscious choices. Team building strategies. Confirmed.

There were no secrets about Richburg's health and health history. The level of play of players like Brunskill, Person, McKivitz, Skule, etc. Or the health of MM and the very real possibility of Mack retiring. None of these things were unknowns or caught the team by surprise.

So when it naturally, doesn't pan out, pivoting to 'other teams' and their unique situations isn't fair or relevant to the real world topic here.

As to your hope for more focus on T's and C's next year, you know I share that with you as we all do. The key will be their own ID of a high quality C and T first...and then going and getting that player. Then developing him.

As much as you like to put this FO in a vacuum, the truth is all teams deal with the task of overcoming weak position groups. Sorry if that bothers you and that you refuse to accept it.

We're here because we know it is the weakness and has been consistently annually. It's a pattern. And conscious choices.

I understand every team has their weaker position groups; even Superbowl winners.

But this FO has had more than enough time to make this unit a strength by now and one that doesn't fall apart in the playoffs when we need it most. IMHO, of course.

While it may have not been a top priority over the first 2 off seasons or so, they have invested in the O line over the last 2-3. I believe Banks and Burford will prove that. Nothing about Brendel has me worried and we have TW anchoring the blindside. The only position I am concerned about is RT and that is solely because of MM's health. You keep trying to knock the FO for not making the O line a top priority early on in its regime. I refuse to include those first couple of years because they were tasked with a s**t load of holes to fill.

Well they did draft Mike McGlinchey and trade big Trent Williams right out of the gate. Bought Richburg. So they were trying. No need to go to extremes. I never implied they fully ignored it. It was always a solid, competitive group. But by now, 6 years, it should also be a strength esp. given it cost us twice, it's Trey's first year and it's a guaranteed unit to sustain key injuries at key times.

There's always a chance it could become a top unit by years end too. If not, hopefully it will play well enough where the FO has its work cut out for them next off season to complete it.