49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
We're gonna be fine here even in a worst case.. let's map it out

LT Trent
LG Banks
C Brendel
RG Burford?
RT Moore / McKivitz ?

This is fine imo. Trent is a HOF. Banks is a new man this year. Brendel can play. Good young guys elsewhere. It can take a game or two or three to gel so not a best line in league perhaps at least not yet but more than serviceable and if Banks is who we drafted him to be it's a rock solid left side of the line.

Add dwelly as the RT2 to help out RT1, boom championship

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Butter:
If I was the 9ers front office, I'd strongly consider making a trade to shore up the right side of the Oline.

they knew this was an issue months ago.. what makes you think they will fix it on the eve of the season?

I think the clinical term is "wishful thinking"

But seriously, my guess is that they gambled on McGlinchy's knee holding up. If that's not reality, they have issues.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
We're gonna be fine here even in a worst case.. let's map it out

LT Trent
LG Banks
C Brendel
RG Burford?
RT Moore / McKivitz ?

This is fine imo. Trent is a HOF. Banks is a new man this year. Brendel can play. Good young guys elsewhere. It can take a game or two or three to gel so not a best line in league perhaps at least not yet but more than serviceable and if Banks is who we drafted him to be it's a rock solid left side of the line.

Add dwelly as the RT2 to help out RT1, boom championship

LOL.

Just like Trey I'm expecting some growing pains from the younger guys on the oline and with more time together they'll get better. Defense is going to need to carry this team early on

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Butter:
If I was the 9ers front office, I'd strongly consider making a trade to shore up the right side of the Oline.

they knew this was an issue months ago.. what makes you think they will fix it on the eve of the season?

I'm hopeful that Moore was just rusty vs Texans. Which is expected. Hopefully he's in a better place now. The FO has always been high on him

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Giedi:
All I have to say about Foerster is that Kyle replaced his entire offensive coaching staff but for Foerster. That either says he's a good coach, compared to Benton, Embree, Scangarello, Welker, Barry, Yenser, or Foerster has blackmail material on Kyle. The new assistant OLine coaches Cregg and Graves seem to have impressive bio's by the way, and Foerster did a decent job with the right half of that line last year, given what he had to work with (6th round pick and an undrafted). He's no Kocurek in terms of offensive line reputation, but if Brendel, Poe, and Blake Hans pans out, that's a strong argument that he's heading towards Kocurek's level of coaching. All in all, the OLine coaching staff looks good to me, and the guy who built it isn't some chump change coach -- it was Kyle Shanahan, and to a certain extent Mike Shanahan, both have a long history and connections with the 49ers and the dynasty years. I remain confident in the offensive line personnel (except for right tackle) and the OLine coaches. We shall see.

Agreed, but that's just it my friend, Forester was a consultant for two seasons before he became the OL coach and had input on how we draft. In 2021, he was part of the braintrust that signed off on the players we had under contract. That's his squad. Banks was 100% his call and that guy as a 2nd rounder couldn't unseat a UDFA or a journeyman.

I too like certain choices we've made this year, but I'd like to see a repeat of what we saw in 2019 - where the entire squad, regardless of who was playing (even players like Skule), the whole unit was looking better from 2018- 2019. And even as the season progressed, that 2019 squad got better and better - everyone got better. That to me is a true testament of good coaching.

Consulting is not coaching, but I get your point. All in all, since Trey's selection - the 49ers have drafted more than signed FA OLinemen. I think that signals a change in OLine drafting philosophy. With Jimmy they were ready to sign free agent veteran OLinemen, with Trey, they are more willing to draft. I think - one reason - is Trey's mobility. Veteran linemen kind of know where their drops are with an immobile QB, but with a Mobile QB, where you drop as an OLinemen is less important than the athleticism and stamina to continue to block for a mobile QB who is buying time to throw. Hence younger more athletic OLinemen. Additionally I think they want the new OLinemen to grow with Trey as he also grows. If they hit these draft picks - that line could be stable for a very long time.

I was impressed with Foersters coaching last year, after Benson did a good OLine coaching in 2019. I still don't know if he's at Scaranechia's or McKittrick's level, but I am hoping so!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
I mean is really on coaching when you're coaching super late picks and UDFAs ? Can't hit the lotto every time

we went through this with WRs back in the days

You can call it coaching - *if* you add a new wrinkle or innovation on top of your coaching. Bill Arnsparger had low rated talent but he added some unique and creative wrinkles to create the so called "No Name Defense" [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Miami_Dolphins_season] and won the super bowl. Kocurek is a good coach, and has created stars out of some low draft picks and undrafteds, and one reason is he has a bit of a scheme advantage in that not many teams in the NFL (as far as I know) run the wide 9. Alex Gibbs was similar, in a sense, that he successfully coached the outside zone with low round picks and undrafted talent, because he had scheme advantage with the wide zone system. Same with Bill Walsh and the WCO.

But I agree with you, if your coach doesn't give you a scheme advantage in the NFL, you need to put some more serious draft capital into that position to have it be superior to the rest of the NFL.

I don't see forester as a bad OL coach. Dude has been coaching NFL OLs for 30 years. If he stunk he wouldn't be employed for that long. He's also regarded as one of the best OZ OL coaches in the NFL.

Agree he's not a bad OLine coach, but is he a guy that can spot diamonds in the rough? I'm hoping so. Hopefully Brendel and Poe start to build his reputation more. My other concern is his past history of drug use. I hope that is in the past for him, because coaching millionaire athletes that can afford any drug (legal or illegal) and a coach with a drug history doesn't really sit well with me at this point.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
I mean is really on coaching when you're coaching super late picks and UDFAs ? Can't hit the lotto every time

we went through this with WRs back in the days

You can call it coaching - *if* you add a new wrinkle or innovation on top of your coaching. Bill Arnsparger had low rated talent but he added some unique and creative wrinkles to create the so called "No Name Defense" [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Miami_Dolphins_season] and won the super bowl. Kocurek is a good coach, and has created stars out of some low draft picks and undrafteds, and one reason is he has a bit of a scheme advantage in that not many teams in the NFL (as far as I know) run the wide 9. Alex Gibbs was similar, in a sense, that he successfully coached the outside zone with low round picks and undrafted talent, because he had scheme advantage with the wide zone system. Same with Bill Walsh and the WCO.

But I agree with you, if your coach doesn't give you a scheme advantage in the NFL, you need to put some more serious draft capital into that position to have it be superior to the rest of the NFL.

I don't see forester as a bad OL coach. Dude has been coaching NFL OLs for 30 years. If he stunk he wouldn't be employed for that long. He's also regarded as one of the best OZ OL coaches in the NFL.

Agree he's not a bad OLine coach, but is he a guy that can spot diamonds in the rough? I'm hoping so. Hopefully Brendel and Poe start to build his reputation more. My other concern is his past history of drug use. I hope that is in the past for him, because coaching millionaire athletes that can afford any drug (legal or illegal) and a coach with a drug history doesn't really sit well with me at this point.

This is all convoluted to me now. Why is nobody talking about Anthony Lynn here?

And as to drafting the OL, it seems like they continue to theme in the "smartest in the room" bucket we see with other positions at times...Banks for instance; and it appears Adam Peters and his scouts have been on Moore, Zakelj, Burford, etc. since they were 8 years old. LOL.

Obviously Jake Brendel is a Foerster-guy. Trent Brown was not a Kyle guy. Mike McGlinchey, Weston Richburg and Tom Compton were. Mike Person was a Baalke-guy. Trent Williams and Daniel Brunskill were Lynch-guys. Laken Tomlinson was a Martin Mayhew-guy.

And now with some different specialties in running scheme and philosophy, it's going to be fascinating to see if and how this works and evolves with success and failures.

If Brunskill is out, I wonder if he had a grade 3 hammy tear too. It's been quite a while.

The good news is MM was a full participant. Fingers crossed he can make it through a full game of snaps!

Originally posted by NCommand:
If Brunskill is out, I wonder if he had a grade 3 hammy tear too. It's been quite a while.

The good news is MM was a full participant. Fingers crossed he can make it through a full game of snaps!

If not, maybe will go 6 O lineman formations on gameday?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
If Brunskill is out, I wonder if he had a grade 3 hammy tear too. It's been quite a while.

The good news is MM was a full participant. Fingers crossed he can make it through a full game of snaps!

If not, maybe will go 6 O lineman formations on gameday?

A 6th OL eligible on every play! I love it. They'll never see it coming. Kyle zigs when the league zags.

Originally posted by NCommand:
A 6th OL eligible on every play! I love it. They'll never see it coming. Kyle zigs when the league zags.

They still couldn't block four defensive linemen.

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by NCommand:
A 6th OL eligible on every play! I love it. They'll never see it coming. Kyle zigs when the league zags.

They still couldn't block four defensive linemen.

Haha. You may be right. Can't wait to find out.

Originally posted by NCommand:
If Brunskill is out, I wonder if he had a grade 3 hammy tear too. It's been quite a while.

Hmmmm. Very very interesting. Hope the grade doesn't make or break anything for him, and I guess we'll all just have to wait and see when he takes the field and how he does?