49ers Offensive Line

I am not so sure this Oline best skill is running the ball anymore. This OL looks like its better at PP.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
"Narrative" when we're on our THIRD starting QB.

The gaslighting in Ninertalk is really next level.

First QB wasnt hurt because of the OL so why is that relevant? 2nd guy doesn't get hurt if he protects himself.

O line plays great and you disappear. Then they struggle against the blitz (and do perfectly fine the rest of the time like they've done all year) and pop up. But I'm the one gaslighting.

Is the OL still a mess?

Originally posted by TD49ers:
I am not so sure this Oline best skill is running the ball anymore. This OL looks like its better at PP.

It is. Burford and Brendel are tackles playing guard. They'd be better served run blocking as tackles. I don't get why the team loves McGlinchey so much but it is what it is at this point.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Lost TWO starting QBs with a handful of games to go. Running game is still suspect against winning teams. Protection calls were really an issue. Way too many free rushers. QBs barely had time to throw screens!

Banks, Brendel and McG were exposed consistently.

Mason averaged 6.4 YPC against the 10th ranked run defense yesterday. Deebo, Mitchell, Wilson and Mason are all averaging over 5 YPC for the season. The outlier is really CMC at 4.1 YPC and he is averaging more carries per game than anyone else on the team since we acquired him.

For the season... against lesser opponents, not against - as you say the 10th ranked run D. Only Mason was somewhat successful and averages do not show full context of keeping drives alive or more importantly, what killed drives?

Unblocked defenders either stopping the runner. players being beat at the snap, McG being pushed back into the backfield, OR coming free at the passer. Why must there always be spin to defend? How much more evidence is needed? A third injured QB? We're really going to pretend the OL is doing a great job against a winning opponent? We saw the same against KC.

No, keep believing in the 6.4 YPC. My bad. The running game was incredible yesterday. So much so that Jimmy just needed to hand off on 3rd down.

Did you not watch the game? Mason had several solid runs against the 10th ranked run defense yesterday and yes averaged 6.4 YPC. The only issue is he only got 8 carries. Where as CMC had 17 carries and only averaged 3.9 YPC.

Against NO- Mitchell 5.0 YPC
Mason 5.0 YPC
CMC 2.9 YPC

Against ARI- Mitchell 6.6 YPC
CMC 5.6 YPC

Against LAC- Mitchell 4.9 YPC
CMC 2.7 YPC

Should I keep going?

Against the same defenses he has averaged less than the other RB's. So it doesn't matter how good the defense was or wasn't against the run. He still showed to be not as affective running the ball. I would even add in that Mason averaged 5.0 YPC against a defense at the end of the game that knew we were running it in order to close out the game and still found a lot of success.

Ehhh, the way I see it... Elijah Mitchell and Jordan Mason are probably better pure inside runners than CMC.
But in a perfect world where you don't worry about wearing your RB down with 25+ touches/game, I wouldn't take out CMC for Jordan Mason in MOST situations.

With CMC on the field, he's perhaps not as good in between the tackles as Mitchell and Mason. But he's still solid, and his very presence just opens up the offense in all the ways we know that he can. Plus, outside the tackles, he has the most home run ability between the three.

But if we're talking about a pure running situation, say, a 4 minute offense where it's 100% certain we're going to run the ball... Yeah, Jordan Mason is making a case that he needs to be the guy in there over CMC.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Ah so it's Shanahan's fault we don't have a better running game. Got it.

No, players aren't executing. They need to get better. Not gonna happen with Brendel but the two guard have shown good things. Consistency takes time.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
He's got an OL is a mess narrative to push. He will never admit he was wrong. So we gotta pretend "Against good teams they are terrible"

Brendel shouldn't be the center next year and McGlinchey isn't good enough. Banks and Brendel are up and down. Even with that this is still a top 10-12 OL in the league.

If our QB just goes down we aren't having this conversation. No different than if he had just run out of bounds in 2018. He takes unnecessary risks. This is who he is.

Here we go with the "see I told you so" nonsense . Nary a peep when the OL wasn't giving up sacks or QB hits, middle of the pack in rushing this year etc etc
OL has played excellent thus far and trying to blame them for a designed QB run that resulted in a fluke ankle injury and an instance where the QB should have just gone down rather than try and carry a couple defenders on a play going nowhere or beyond disingenuous.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
He's got an OL is a mess narrative to push. He will never admit he was wrong. So we gotta pretend "Against good teams they are terrible"

Brendel shouldn't be the center next year and McGlinchey isn't good enough. Banks and Brendel are up and down. Even with that this is still a top 10-12 OL in the league.

If our QB just goes down we aren't having this conversation. No different than if he had just run out of bounds in 2018. He takes unnecessary risks. This is who he is.

Here we go with the "see I told you so" nonsense . Nary a peep when the OL wasn't giving up sacks or QB hits, middle of the pack in rushing this year etc etc
OL has played excellent thus far and trying to blame them for a designed QB run that resulted in a fluke ankle injury and an instance where the QB should have just gone down rather than try and carry a couple defenders on a play going nowhere or beyond disingenuous.

lol took a while for GM to post non-sense again

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Lost TWO starting QBs with a handful of games to go. Running game is still suspect against winning teams. Protection calls were really an issue. Way too many free rushers. QBs barely had time to throw screens!

Banks, Brendel and McG were exposed consistently.

Mason averaged 6.4 YPC against the 10th ranked run defense yesterday. Deebo, Mitchell, Wilson and Mason are all averaging over 5 YPC for the season. The outlier is really CMC at 4.1 YPC and he is averaging more carries per game than anyone else on the team since we acquired him.

For the season... against lesser opponents, not against - as you say the 10th ranked run D. Only Mason was somewhat successful and averages do not show full context of keeping drives alive or more importantly, what killed drives?

Unblocked defenders either stopping the runner. players being beat at the snap, McG being pushed back into the backfield, OR coming free at the passer. Why must there always be spin to defend? How much more evidence is needed? A third injured QB? We're really going to pretend the OL is doing a great job against a winning opponent? We saw the same against KC.

No, keep believing in the 6.4 YPC. My bad. The running game was incredible yesterday. So much so that Jimmy just needed to hand off on 3rd down.

Did you not watch the game? Mason had several solid runs against the 10th ranked run defense yesterday and yes averaged 6.4 YPC. The only issue is he only got 8 carries. Where as CMC had 17 carries and only averaged 3.9 YPC.

Against NO- Mitchell 5.0 YPC
Mason 5.0 YPC
CMC 2.9 YPC

Against ARI- Mitchell 6.6 YPC
CMC 5.6 YPC

Against LAC- Mitchell 4.9 YPC
CMC 2.7 YPC

Should I keep going?

Against the same defenses he has averaged less than the other RB's. So it doesn't matter how good the defense was or wasn't against the run. He still showed to be not as affective running the ball. I would even add in that Mason averaged 5.0 YPC against a defense at the end of the game that knew we were running it in order to close out the game and still found a lot of success.

How many carries per game YAC? And yes I've been asking for Mason for a while, but using Mason - ONLY - as the definitive example of great OL play is just laughable. Since CMC has more carries shouldn't he be more of the litmus test?

But. Keep. Posting. About. How. Great. The. OL. Is.

You. Keep. Ignoring. What. I. Am . Saying.

Mitchell averaged 5.6 YPC this season. Samuel is averaging 5.6 YPC this season. Mason is averaging 5.4 YPC this season. Wilson averaged 5.1 YPC with us this season. CMC is averaging 4.1 YPC with us this season. What is so hard for you to understand about that? To blame the O line when its really only 1 guy who is having all the issues running the ball consistently is narrow minded and very short sighted.

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Lost TWO starting QBs with a handful of games to go. Running game is still suspect against winning teams. Protection calls were really an issue. Way too many free rushers. QBs barely had time to throw screens!

Banks, Brendel and McG were exposed consistently.

Mason averaged 6.4 YPC against the 10th ranked run defense yesterday. Deebo, Mitchell, Wilson and Mason are all averaging over 5 YPC for the season. The outlier is really CMC at 4.1 YPC and he is averaging more carries per game than anyone else on the team since we acquired him.

For the season... against lesser opponents, not against - as you say the 10th ranked run D. Only Mason was somewhat successful and averages do not show full context of keeping drives alive or more importantly, what killed drives?

Unblocked defenders either stopping the runner. players being beat at the snap, McG being pushed back into the backfield, OR coming free at the passer. Why must there always be spin to defend? How much more evidence is needed? A third injured QB? We're really going to pretend the OL is doing a great job against a winning opponent? We saw the same against KC.

No, keep believing in the 6.4 YPC. My bad. The running game was incredible yesterday. So much so that Jimmy just needed to hand off on 3rd down.

Did you not watch the game? Mason had several solid runs against the 10th ranked run defense yesterday and yes averaged 6.4 YPC. The only issue is he only got 8 carries. Where as CMC had 17 carries and only averaged 3.9 YPC.

Against NO- Mitchell 5.0 YPC
Mason 5.0 YPC
CMC 2.9 YPC

Against ARI- Mitchell 6.6 YPC
CMC 5.6 YPC

Against LAC- Mitchell 4.9 YPC
CMC 2.7 YPC

Should I keep going?

Against the same defenses he has averaged less than the other RB's. So it doesn't matter how good the defense was or wasn't against the run. He still showed to be not as affective running the ball. I would even add in that Mason averaged 5.0 YPC against a defense at the end of the game that knew we were running it in order to close out the game and still found a lot of success.

Ehhh, the way I see it... Elijah Mitchell and Jordan Mason are probably better pure inside runners than CMC.
But in a perfect world where you don't worry about wearing your RB down with 25+ touches/game, I wouldn't take out CMC for Jordan Mason in MOST situations.

With CMC on the field, he's perhaps not as good in between the tackles as Mitchell and Mason. But he's still solid, and his very presence just opens up the offense in all the ways we know that he can. Plus, outside the tackles, he has the most home run ability between the three.

But if we're talking about a pure running situation, say, a 4 minute offense where it's 100% certain we're going to run the ball... Yeah, Jordan Mason is making a case that he needs to be the guy in there over CMC.

My argument actually stemmed from someone saying the O line are poor run blockers. My case was that there is only 1 RB with a significant amount of attempts that has struggled running the ball behind this O line. He is 1 yard per carry short from the next lowest YPC RB and all the others are well above 5.0 YPC.

What I was not stating was that we should take CMC out of the game in favor of Mason. Obviously CMC is more than just a RB for us. He is a checkdown ace as well as a great slot receiver. He most certainly opens up the field for our other weapons also. I would however cut down on his attempts between the tackles. 1) it will keep him fresh, especially late in the game and 2) he is the least afffective on those types of runs.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
You. Keep. Ignoring. What. I. Am . Saying.

Mitchell averaged 5.6 YPC this season. Samuel is averaging 5.6 YPC this season. Mason is averaging 5.4 YPC this season. Wilson averaged 5.1 YPC with us this season. CMC is averaging 4.1 YPC with us this season. What is so hard for you to understand about that? To blame the O line when its really only 1 guy who is having all the issues running the ball consistently is narrow minded and very short sighted.

I'm not ignoring what you're saying. I'm looking at games. I'm watching film with folks who aren't just taking a few stats and erroneously projecting them as key indicators for 5 players in completely different positions and how it's connected to the entire offense.

I just check in to see if NT was still claiming the OL was great and ... yep, no change. LOL.

You are all over the f**king place. Stats aren't the only thing I use to base my opinions on. I watch every game, watch multiple film breakdowns each week and watch the replay myself at least once or twice. So don't try to pull that "I actually watch the film and you're just a stat guy" b******t with me.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Because why waste the conversation on losing teams Hoov? Like seriously. It's like arguing OL play is great during pre-season. Everyone has been expecting the 49ers to be a SB contender - so why waste the evaluation against teams who aren't going to the playoffs. And quite frankly it's exhausting trying to convince folks the OL isn't as great as some made it to be against lesser opponents and the moment we would bring that out, here comes PFF to do its dog and pony show.

TBH I really am not following the logic here. However You are certainly entitled to your opinion

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I'm not ignoring what you're saying. I'm looking at games. I'm watching film with folks who aren't just taking a few stats and erroneously projecting them as key indicators for 5 players in completely different positions and how it's connected to the entire offense.

I just check in to see if NT was still claiming the OL was great and ... yep, no change. LOL.

Who has ever called it great? It's a top 10-12 line so far this season. Is that great? Meh considering the O line play around the league maybe comparatively.

What the O line ISNT is a complete mess. Or responsible for the QB injuries.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

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— Computer Cowboy (@benbbaldwin) December 6, 2022

Improved in PP for sure, but not as good with RB imo.

That being said RT is s**t and this is the obvious area to improve this offseason. Center and RT upgrades would make this unit elite.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Improved in PP for sure, but not as good with RB imo.

That being said RT is s**t and this is the obvious area to improve this offseason. Center and RT upgrades would make this unit elite.

FA center, Burford moves to RT, sign a swing tackle, open competition between Poe and Moore at RG.