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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
If the goal was to win a Superbowl, yeah. Or at least 2 of the 3 (health, CMC or high end PP).

Chiefs have all right now. Although they may have just lost Thuney. They have 3 pro bowl OL. They'd fit the formula.

Do they have an All Pro WR or RB? Do they even have an Aiyuk?

Funny how they don't need it.

They have McKinnon, 3 pro bowl OL, #2 OL and a QB playing at an elite level too. Their elite WR is a TE.
Originally posted by NCommand:
You need to understand PFF's TTT are high by their definition. 3.73 is probably something to the equivalent of 2.5s on NG. They have some really high numbers that throw people off.

1.2 second difference? Yah ok.

9ers O line wasn't equivalent to KC or Rams. End thread
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
The numbers I initially gave were through the entire playoffs. When looking at just the nfc title game, Jimmy was under pressure on 35.5% of his dropbacks and had a TTT of 3.73 seconds on those dropbacks according to PFF.

3.73. What a useless OL.

You need to understand PFF's TTT are high by their definition. 3.73 is probably something to the equivalent of 2.5s on NG. They have some really high numbers that throw people off.

That's convenient
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
The numbers I initially gave were through the entire playoffs. When looking at just the nfc title game, Jimmy was under pressure on 35.5% of his dropbacks and had a TTT of 3.73 seconds on those dropbacks according to PFF.

Thanks dude!

That's high.

What was Stafford's pressure rate and TTT that game?

Stafford was pressured on 25.0% of his dropbacks with a TTT of 2.89 seconds on those dropbacks according to PFF.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
The numbers I initially gave were through the entire playoffs. When looking at just the nfc title game, Jimmy was under pressure on 35.5% of his dropbacks and had a TTT of 3.73 seconds on those dropbacks according to PFF.

Thanks dude!

That's high.

What was Stafford's pressure rate and TTT that game?

Stafford was pressured on 25.0% of his dropbacks with a TTT of 2.89 seconds on those dropbacks according to PFF.

So that's a 1.7 seconds TTT
I'm pretty critical of the o line but 3.73 seconds seems pretty good. No o line will be perfect. We have the talent to win the SB with these guys. Doesn't mean somebody won't have a stinker and cost them but they have the overall talent upfront to get it done.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
The numbers I initially gave were through the entire playoffs. When looking at just the nfc title game, Jimmy was under pressure on 35.5% of his dropbacks and had a TTT of 3.73 seconds on those dropbacks according to PFF.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Stafford was pressured on 25.0% of his dropbacks with a TTT of 2.89 seconds on those dropbacks according to PFF.

Getting it out nearly a full second faster. Can't imagine how that might effect pressure rate.
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Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
The numbers I initially gave were through the entire playoffs. When looking at just the nfc title game, Jimmy was under pressure on 35.5% of his dropbacks and had a TTT of 3.73 seconds on those dropbacks according to PFF.

Thanks dude!

That's high.

What was Stafford's pressure rate and TTT that game?

Stafford was pressured on 25.0% of his dropbacks with a TTT of 2.89 seconds on those dropbacks according to PFF.

So that's a 1.7 seconds TTT
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
You need to understand PFF's TTT are high by their definition. 3.73 is probably something to the equivalent of 2.5s on NG. They have some really high numbers that throw people off.

1.2 second difference? Yah ok.

9ers O line wasn't equivalent to KC or Rams. End thread

I don't think you understand what TTT means then. You'll see some PFF TTT in the 4's, 5's, etc.

I agree. LOL

The highest TTT you'll find on NG is 3.2s.

Here's more on it.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-the-perfect-timing-a-deeper-dive-into-time-to-throw-data

After being forced off the first read, only 14 teams averaged positive expected points per play, and almost every team was worse when the quarterback was forced to progress beyond his initial look.
[ Edited by NCommand on Jan 4, 2023 at 10:24 AM ]
Originally posted by lamontb:
I'm pretty critical of the o line but 3.73 seconds seems pretty good. No o line will be perfect. We have the talent to win the SB with these guys. Doesn't mean somebody won't have a stinker and cost them but they have the overall talent upfront to get it done.

Purdy could also have a stinker. So could the secondary. It's almost never one position or groups fault. But there will be a blame pie if there is a loss.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
If the goal was to win a Superbowl, yeah. Or at least 2 of the 3 (health, CMC or high end PP).

Chiefs have all right now. Although they may have just lost Thuney. They have 3 pro bowl OL. They'd fit the formula.

Do they have an All Pro WR or RB? Do they even have an Aiyuk?

Funny how they don't need it.

They have an All Pro QB. We don't yet know how Purdy would fare without All Pros at every level of the offense. He's been without his All Pro WR the last few weeks but other than that they're all here. Who knows, maybe having All Pros across the board will turn Purdy into one himself, and then we won't need as many, either.
Originally posted by NCommand:
I don't think you understand what TTT means then. You'll see some PFF TTT in the 4's, 5's, etc.

I agree. LOL

Here's more on it.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-the-perfect-timing-a-deeper-dive-into-time-to-throw-data

After being forced off the first read, only 14 teams averaged positive expected points per play, and almost every team was worse when the quarterback was forced to progress beyond his initial look.

Not my understanding that at issue in this thread. Numbers are pretty clear.
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
They have an All Pro QB. We don't yet know how Purdy would fare without All Pros at every level of the offense. He's been without his All Pro WR the last few weeks but other than that they're all here. Who knows, maybe having All Pros across the board will turn Purdy into one himself, and then we won't need as many, either.

Absolutely. That's my point.

To expect the team to build an entire roster of All Pros and if they don't do that it's a team building failure is an extremely ridiculous standard. It's why it's important Brock or Trey become a player. It lessens the need to be elite everywhere else.
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