49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
No it's not. You were expecting Jimmy to play at an elite level without that stuff last year (no elite WR, no elite OL, no CMC, poor health). It's even more unrealistic given Jimmy isn't elite himself in a run centric offense. LOL

Now that we have it, how do you feel?

Hitting wide open receivers isn't playing elite. It's doing your job. Brock isn't playing elite IMO. But he's doing the job that the 9ers need him to.

Scored 4 offensive touchdowns in 3 games. Not like 6 would've been an elite performance. Would've liked more than 4.

Oh I totally agree especially within normal circumstances. But with GB in the snow and playing the Rams for the 3rd time, within context of reality, and a defensive battle, I'd expect a little less. Even with Brock and averaging back up over 30 points, what's he averaging...2 TD's a game? The rest is rushing TD's.

And we couldn't run at all this game. Making a team one dimensional is the key to winning playoff football.

Jimmy still sucked in the 4Q though and he shouldn't be absolved from his misses either.

But if you told any fan we'd be up 10 in the 4Q with no run game and our defense, they'd take it. Jimmy was great in the 2 & 4 minute offense that year but the 4Q, oof.

I'd expect more from Rodgers and Stafford, honestly.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Oh I totally agree especially within normal circumstances. But with GB in the snow and playing the Rams for the 3rd time, within context of reality, and a defensive battle, I'd expect a little less. Even with Brock and averaging back up over 30 points, what's he averaging...2 TD's a game? The rest is rushing TD's.

And we couldn't run at all this game. Making a team one dimensional is the key to winning playoff football.

Jimmy still sucked in the 4Q though and he shouldn't be absolved from his misses either.

But if you told any fan we'd be up 10 in the 4Q with no run game and our defense, they'd take it. Jimmy was great in the 2 & 4 minute offense that year but the 4Q, oof.

And its easier to make a team one dimensional when there other dimension isn't dynamic.

If I was told the Rams were going to score 20 points before the game I believe we win no matter the circumstance. 10 points up in the 4th against that offense with the secondary issues was never going to be a sure thing.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

our OL ranks have been climbing higher now that Brock is under center. Which proves QBs can transcend OLs

Our OL began rising after the KC game. There has been steady improvement. It turned up while JG was QB and has continued with Purdy. It was a matter of Banks settling in and Brendel gaining experience in his role as well. Burford has continued to struggle but Brunskill has more than made up the difference. The central reason is the building of chemistry within the IOL. The angle has actually been quite steady and has continued upward since BP took over.

there's steady improvement.. then there's great improvement.

Teams are starting to back off the LOS ..can you believe that !

I am curious to know how many 5 or 6 man fronts we saw against the raiders? I thought I heard jonnydel say 4 man front a few times on his film breakdown on the way to work this morning. I remember thinking, 4 man front? I haven't heard that in a while. LOL

It also could have been Kyle Posey's video. I cannot remember which one for sure.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am curious to know how many 5 or 6 man fronts we saw against the raiders? I thought I heard jonnydel say 4 man front a few times on his film breakdown on the way to work this morning. I remember think, 4 man front? I haven't heard that in a while. LOL

We were passing them out of the 5 man fronts. He pointed it out a couple times.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Just curious. Since everyone shares a piece of the blame pie. What percentage of that pie would you distribute to Jimmy in the NFCCG?

I have a silly checklist I use...more to see where we improved that game and for repeating themes that cost us.

Team Weakneses:
Defensive pass interference
Defense can't generate TO's
Defense fails late in games and in quick fashion
Defense instantly gives up a score immediately after going up double digits
3rd down pass defense
Defense piss poor tackling (and technique) at times
Offense missed a big opportunity/play
Offensive TO's lead to points the other way
Offensive TO's take points off the board
Offensive penalties at crucial times usually in the RZ or backed up (false starts, holdings, delays, etc.)
Receiver drops
Boneheaded team penalties at key moments
Kyle is bipolar with play calling
Kyle struggles with clock management at times
Kyle gets too cute or too conservative at times
Slow starts and/or poor second half adjustments
Must run 35+ times to have a chance to win
Unit pass protection collapse in predictable passing situations (includes RB's, FB and TE's)
Too many key injuries at key positions at key times
SpecialED teams

I'd have to go back and watch it again and apply it to these buckets.

Everything is intertwined within these from QB to Kyle to Ryans to ST to health.

Do you mean like a pie chart?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Just curious. Since everyone shares a piece of the blame pie. What percentage of that pie would you distribute to Jimmy in the NFCCG?

I have a silly checklist I use...more to see where we improved that game and for repeating themes that cost us.

Team Weakneses:
Defensive pass interference
Defense can't generate TO's
Defense fails late in games and in quick fashion
Defense instantly gives up a score immediately after going up double digits
3rd down pass defense
Defense piss poor tackling (and technique) at times
Offense missed a big opportunity/play
Offensive TO's lead to points the other way
Offensive TO's take points off the board
Offensive penalties at crucial times usually in the RZ or backed up (false starts, holdings, delays, etc.)
Receiver drops
Boneheaded team penalties at key moments
Kyle is bipolar with play calling
Kyle struggles with clock management at times
Kyle gets too cute or too conservative at times
Slow starts and/or poor second half adjustments
Must run 35+ times to have a chance to win
Unit pass protection collapse in predictable passing situations (includes RB's, FB and TE's)
Too many key injuries at key positions at key times
SpecialED teams

I'd have to go back and watch it again and apply it to these buckets.

Everything is intertwined within these from QB to Kyle to Ryans to ST to health.

Do you mean like a pie chart?

Let me simplify your list
did the team execute?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Oh I totally agree especially within normal circumstances. But with GB in the snow and playing the Rams for the 3rd time, within context of reality, and a defensive battle, I'd expect a little less. Even with Brock and averaging back up over 30 points, what's he averaging...2 TD's a game? The rest is rushing TD's.

And we couldn't run at all this game. Making a team one dimensional is the key to winning playoff football.

Jimmy still sucked in the 4Q though and he shouldn't be absolved from his misses either.

But if you told any fan we'd be up 10 in the 4Q with no run game and our defense, they'd take it. Jimmy was great in the 2 & 4 minute offense that year but the 4Q, oof.

And its easier to make a team one dimensional when there other dimension isn't dynamic.

If I was told the Rams were going to score 20 points before the game I believe we win no matter the circumstance. 10 points up in the 4th against that offense with the secondary issues was never going to be a sure thing.

I agree.

And I wouldn't have taken it because I know 10 point leads are the death of us. LOL

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Just curious. Since everyone shares a piece of the blame pie. What percentage of that pie would you distribute to Jimmy in the NFCCG?

I have a silly checklist I use...more to see where we improved that game and for repeating themes that cost us.

Team Weakneses:
Defensive pass interference
Defense can't generate TO's
Defense fails late in games and in quick fashion
Defense instantly gives up a score immediately after going up double digits
3rd down pass defense
Defense piss poor tackling (and technique) at times
Offense missed a big opportunity/play
Offensive TO's lead to points the other way
Offensive TO's take points off the board
Offensive penalties at crucial times usually in the RZ or backed up (false starts, holdings, delays, etc.)
Receiver drops
Boneheaded team penalties at key moments
Kyle is bipolar with play calling
Kyle struggles with clock management at times
Kyle gets too cute or too conservative at times
Slow starts and/or poor second half adjustments
Must run 35+ times to have a chance to win
Unit pass protection collapse in predictable passing situations (includes RB's, FB and TE's)
Too many key injuries at key positions at key times
SpecialED teams

I'd have to go back and watch it again and apply it to these buckets.

Everything is intertwined within these from QB to Kyle to Ryans to ST to health.

Do you mean like a pie chart?

You didn't answer the question. LOL. I think this is where folks on here have a lot of issue with your takes. Maybe I have missed those posts. But I have never seen you critique Jimmy as an individual player. I have seen you mainly critique Kyle, the O line and the defense. You seem to avoid any criticism of Jimmy and now you are avoiding a direct question about him and his individual performance and how much the loss in the NFCCG fell on his shoulders.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Let me simplify your list
did the team execute?

No. I like to look at specifically where we failed though (I like spotting trends for improvement).

Originally posted by NCommand:
I agree.

And I wouldn't have taken it because I know 10 point leads are the death of us. LOL

not to our starting QB

Originally posted by YACBros85:
You didn't answer the question. LOL. I think this is where folks on here have a lot of issue with your takes. Maybe I have missed those posts. But I have never seen you critique Jimmy as an individual player. I have seen you mainly critique Kyle, the O line and the defense. You seem to avoid any criticism of Jimmy and now you are avoiding a direct question about him and his individual performance and how much the loss in the NFCCG fell on his shoulders.

You asked:

What percentage of that pie would you distribute to Jimmy in the NFCCG?

I said I'd have to go back and rewatch it (the whole team) to really put it into a pie chart for you. LOL

There's a lot to digest from Tartt to their DC outscheming Kyle to our late 4Q ST fails to what happened before and after the 10 point lead to the defense.

Edit: Top 5 for sure though.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I agree.

And I wouldn't have taken it because I know 10 point leads are the death of us. LOL

not to our starting QB

True! We're turning a corner. A few more times and I'll remove that bucket completely!

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am curious to know how many 5 or 6 man fronts we saw against the raiders? I thought I heard jonnydel say 4 man front a few times on his film breakdown on the way to work this morning. I remember think, 4 man front? I haven't heard that in a while. LOL

We were passing them out of the 5 man fronts. He pointed it out a couple times.

i said starting to.. this also why we are starting to get big runs in the game

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I agree.

And I wouldn't have taken it because I know 10 point leads are the death of us. LOL

not to our starting QB

True! We're turning a corner. A few more times and I'll remove that bucket completely!

i rather not see it anymore

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I agree.

And I wouldn't have taken it because I know 10 point leads are the death of us. LOL

not to our starting QB

True! We're turning a corner. A few more times and I'll remove that bucket completely!

i rather not see it anymore

Me too. I hate that feeling...uh oh!!!