49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:
I was just about to say, wait until Hoov and random show up. ^

All star cast of twisting narratives.

Lol that's rich coming from you. Where do you come up with this s**t and do you actually believe the stuff you spew or is this all just a troll job?
and how would you know what random says? You make a point to tell everyone everyday how you have him on ignore 🤣

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Stafford was getting that ball out quick in the 2nd half. They were dinking and dunking and running screens on our defense. Our pass rush didn't have much of a chance and we already knew our secondary was suspect all last season but still only gave up 20 points to an offense that was averaging 30+. Our O line gave up 0 sacks with a one legged Trent Williams at LT and Tom Compton at RT and Jimmy still had plenty of time and opportunity to put the game away before the last 2 drives when things finally fell apart.

Right, Ryan played off and they dinked and dunked to a Championship. Uncontested. First read. No pressure. And I bet his TTT was around 2.28s in doing so.

That was not the case on the other side. They stuffed our run game and flooded the first reads while bringing a 35% pressure rate.

Was there still a chance to win? Absolutely. But Jimmy isn't the transcendent type. He played safe.

Like Brock last game, he chose to take the shorter safer underneath routes despite the deeper routes wide open. In a tight game, this is common.

Ryan has nothing to do with this

they stuffed the run is correct, but with 35% pressure rate means he had 65% non pressure rate.. and that is still favorable.

Jimmy plays safe enough to not throw to wide open guys in his sweet spot ? lol

the last line is pure fiction

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I did post Stafford's pressure rate and TTT. I guess you must have missed it but I have no problem posting it again. Stafford was pressured on 25.0% of his dropbacks and had an average TTT of 2.89 seconds on those dropbacks.

Compared to Jimmy's 35.5% pressure rate and with an average TTT of 3.73 seconds on those dropbacks.

Appreciate that.

Do you have his splits like you did with Jimmy? No pressure vs. pressure?.

Stay on topic, How does stafford TTT help your claim that it was the 49ers OLs fault?

Stafford was getting that ball out quick in the 2nd half. They were dinking and dunking and running screens on our defense. Our pass rush didn't have much of a chance and we already knew our secondary was suspect all last season but still only gave up 20 points to an offense that was averaging 30+. Our O line gave up 0 sacks with a one legged Trent Williams at LT and Tom Compton at RT and Jimmy still had plenty of time and opportunity to put the game away before the last 2 drives when things finally fell apart.

i'm just saying he's trying to spin away from his it's OLs fault..

I was more or less piggybacking off of your post. I just cannot for the life of me figure out why NC does not hold Jimmy to the same standard that he holds the rest of the organization.

Originally posted by NCommand:
This is your issue. You are assuming holding the ball longer is 100% a QB issue. That's disingenuous. There could be a variety of issues for that. Holding protection longer actually is a negative thing according to PFF past a QB's first read.

Also, funny you ignore this: 35.5% > 25%. THAT is far more significant overall than the splits. The more pressure, the higher odds of negative plays. The more duress, the higher the odds of negative plays.

The pass protection overall was an issue all through the playoffs and this game was no different.

And to me, the PP was just a part of the overall reason for the loss. Just like Jimmy, Tartt, the defense, Kyle getting outschemed (1.5 gap), ST blunders at the end, secondary, 10 point lead curse, health, poor S play, their bestcplay makers making plays while ours not so much etc.

Pick your preference.

Did I say that? I said film could be broken down to find out why but it doesn't change the fact that it was held too long. Could be the QB (IN most cases it was IMO) but it could be the WR's too. You know whos fault it isnt? The O line. So to then say a 3.73 TTT in the NFC title game is analogous to what the Rams were doing this year or the Chiefs in the SB is patently false.

The more pressure is there because the ball is BEING HELD TOO DAMN LONG. So your pressure rate stat means ZERO. NADA. WHOLE LOTTA NOTHING.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Stafford was getting that ball out quick in the 2nd half. They were dinking and dunking and running screens on our defense. Our pass rush didn't have much of a chance and we already knew our secondary was suspect all last season but still only gave up 20 points to an offense that was averaging 30+. Our O line gave up 0 sacks with a one legged Trent Williams at LT and Tom Compton at RT and Jimmy still had plenty of time and opportunity to put the game away before the last 2 drives when things finally fell apart.

Right, Ryan played off and they dinked and dunked to a Championship. Uncontested. First read. No pressure. And I bet his TTT was around 2.28s in doing so.

That was not the case on the other side. They stuffed our run game and flooded the first reads while bringing a 35% pressure rate.

Was there still a chance to win? Absolutely. But Jimmy isn't the transcendent type. He played safe.

Like Brock last game, he chose to take the shorter safer underneath routes despite the deeper routes wide open. In a tight game, this is common.

Ryan has nothing to do with this

they stuffed the run is correct, but with 35% pressure rate means he had 65% non pressure rate.. and that is still favorable.

Jimmy plays safe enough to not throw to wide open guys in his sweet spot ? lol

the last line is pure fiction

That last line is pure fiction. Brock was 1 of 4 on throws of 20+ yards against the raiders.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I did post Stafford's pressure rate and TTT. I guess you must have missed it but I have no problem posting it again. Stafford was pressured on 25.0% of his dropbacks and had an average TTT of 2.89 seconds on those dropbacks.

Compared to Jimmy's 35.5% pressure rate and with an average TTT of 3.73 seconds on those dropbacks.

Appreciate that.

Do you have his splits like you did with Jimmy? No pressure vs. pressure?.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I was more or less piggybacking off of your post. I just cannot for the life of me figure out why NC does not hold Jimmy to the same standard that he holds the rest of the organization.

Imagine thinking there is an organizational failure because they didn't build an elite OL, running game, receiving core and defense in 5 years because that's what the QB needed to be successful. And even then a rook comes in from day 1 and is actually more productive than the guy playing at his peak when he finally has those things.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
i also find it funny that it's incumbent on YAC to prove whether 3.73 seconds to throw is good or not.

The ball was being held too long. Film can be broken down to see why all day but that doesn't change that fact. So to use pressure rate to put blame on the OL without that context is completely disingenuous. The OL did their job on the plays he was pressured. Bottom line.

This is your issue. You are assuming holding the ball longer is 100% a QB issue. That's disingenuous. There could be a variety of issues for that. Holding protection longer actually is a negative thing according to PFF past a QB's first read.

Also, funny you ignore this: 35.5% > 25%. THAT is far more significant overall than the splits. The more pressure, the higher odds of negative plays. The more duress, the higher the odds of negative plays.

The pass protection overall was an issue all through the playoffs and this game was no different.

And to me, the PP was just a part of the overall reason for the loss. Just like Jimmy, Tartt, the defense, Kyle getting outschemed (1.5 gap), ST blunders at the end, secondary, 10 point lead curse, health, poor S play, their bestcplay makers making plays while ours not so much etc.

Pick your preference.

first of all, you are being the one that is disingenuous. there is some truth that more time to throw is not 100% a QB if your talking about a game has yet to be played... but the game has been played, we have film, we have all the missed opportunities dissected, all the clips of him looking and not throwing to the open guy 10yards away from him. the proof is there and with you straw-manning that shows you can't admit who's to blame more in that game

there's an opposite to Pressure rate . 35% PR leaves 65% nonPR.. plus being pressured means nothing as we see what the last pick in the draft does with pressure.. so this straw man statement is more admission

PP overall , we were top 10.. could have been better if the QB threw the ball..

the last part is pure fiction and we showed the film to prove it.

Sorry NC, you don't get to rewrite history with blanket statements

To actually answer your question tho YAC, the answer is from an earlier post, the QB doesn't matter to him.

Couple years ago I said he'd take Creed Humphrey at #1 over Trevor Lawrence in the draft. I wasn't being facetious.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I was more or less piggybacking off of your post. I just cannot for the life of me figure out why NC does not hold Jimmy to the same standard that he holds the rest of the organization.

Imagine thinking there is an organizational failure because they didn't build an elite OL, running game, receiving core and defense in 5 years because that's what the QB needed to be successful. And even then a rook comes in from day 1 and is actually more productive than the guy playing at his peak when he finally has those things.

you think he still thinks the Eagles is an elite OL after giving up 12 sacks the last two games ?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
you think he still thinks the Eagles is an elite OL after giving up 12 sacks the last two games ?

I didn't watch but the sacks and losses may be reverting to a much lesser QB. No surprise that when Hurts went down, so did the team.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
you think he still thinks the Eagles is an elite OL after giving up 12 sacks the last two games ?

Has Dave Lombardi done a Youtube video with his excel sheets on that topic yet? I would like to reserve my answer until I get confirmation

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I didn't watch but the sacks and losses may be reverting to a much lesser QB. No surprise that when Hurts went down, so did the team.

You mean like holding the ball too long perhaps? Like maybe I dunno 3.73 seconds?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
you think he still thinks the Eagles is an elite OL after giving up 12 sacks the last two games ?

I didn't watch but the sacks and losses may be reverting to a much lesser QB. No surprise that when Hurts went down, so did the team.

whoa whoa whoa.. what are you trying to say here ?

welcome back !!

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
you think he still thinks the Eagles is an elite OL after giving up 12 sacks the last two games ?

I didn't watch but the sacks and losses may be reverting to a much lesser QB. No surprise that when Hurts went down, so did the team.

whoa whoa whoa.. what are you trying to say here ?

welcome back !!

I think he is saying that the QB transcends the O line.