49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Yes. That is when he is pressured. If the QB cannot find a target than why should that pressure rate be used only to grade pass protection?

Exactly. And why if another guy is doing it quicker is his O line giving plaudits while he gets zero credit?

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
That's why it's a worthless stat.

Imagine being a 49er fan after watching Bosa's final pressure and still thinking our QB's should transcend pressure. Imagine being a 49er fan and watching your FO spend a gazillion dollars and resources on producing that pressure and in reverse, still expecting our QB to transcend it.

Do we wish he could have made one more throw? Duh! Is it possible? Sure. Is a win under that circumstances likely? Nope.

Who's expecting that?

No one. Just more of his b******t hyperbole

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
That's why it's a worthless stat.

Imagine being a 49er fan after watching Bosa's final pressure and still thinking our QB's should transcend pressure. Imagine being a 49er fan and watching your FO spend a gazillion dollars and resources on producing that pressure and in reverse, still expecting our QB to transcend it.

Do we wish he could have made one more throw? Duh! Is it possible? Sure. Is a win under that circumstances likely? Nope.

Who's expecting that?

No one. Just more of his b******t hyperbole

I know he won't rest until we've spent 5 1st round picks at every spot on the offensive line. And at least 3 backups drafted 4th or higher.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Imagine being a 49er fan after watching Bosa's final pressure and still thinking our QB's should transcend pressure. Imagine being a 49er fan and watching your FO spend a gazillion dollars and resources on producing that pressure and in reverse, still expecting our QB to transcend it.

Do we wish he could have made one more throw? Duh! Is it possible? Sure. Is a win under that circumstances likely? Nope.

Imagine thinking how long the qb has to throw the football doesn't matter, it only matters if he was pressured because you can't admit you are wrong on the subject. Then you double down and compare it to O lines that are FAR FAR Worse.

Then stick with your PFF gospel. I posted it yesterday that they said higher TTT = a decrease in production and increase in negative plays.

If a QB is holding the ball longer it probably means 1) the initial coverage defeated the design or 2) the coverage is great throughout or 3) he's running for his life where bad choices are made.

YAC still hasn't shown Stafford's splits in production on pressure and with no pressure like he did here for Jimmy (for context):

Looking at the numbers in the post season. Jimmy's numbers with a clean pocket were 47 dropbacks, 66% completion, 2 TD's, 0 int's with 108.7 passer rating and a 2.28 TTT. Jimmy's numbers while under pressure were 33 dropbacks, 44.4% completion, 0 TD's, 3 int's with a 16.8 passer rating and a 3.40 TTT.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I know he won't rest until we've spent 5 1st round picks at every spot on the offensive line. And at least 3 backups drafted 4th or higher.

Nah, I'm stoked with the PP this year.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I know he won't rest until we've spent 5 1st round picks at every spot on the offensive line. And at least 3 backups drafted 4th or higher.

Nah, I'm stoked with the PP this year.

Just need a high priced center amiright

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I know he won't rest until we've spent 5 1st round picks at every spot on the offensive line. And at least 3 backups drafted 4th or higher.

Nah, I'm stoked with the PP this year.

I also get excited when I see the PP.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Yes. That is when he is pressured. If the QB cannot find a target than why should that pressure rate be used only to grade pass protection?

Exactly. And why if another guy is doing it quicker is his O line giving plaudits while he gets zero credit?

The only thing TTT tells me is the style of the QB play and his age. QB's with the fastest TTT are old and/or pocket passers. QB's with the highest TTT are young/off schedule passers. This stat typically coincides with their air yards too.

So, if you have an old and/or classic drop back QB, pass protection is a premium. If not, it's not as much of a premium. That said, it's paramount for a young QB to develop healthy habits...hence why I wanted that premium for Trey too.

As it relates to the OL, if you have a QB who has top 5 quickest TTT, if they are still giving up an absurd number of hits/pressures/sacks, that's on them.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I know he won't rest until we've spent 5 1st round picks at every spot on the offensive line. And at least 3 backups drafted 4th or higher.

Nah, I'm stoked with the PP this year.

I also get excited when I see the PP.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I know he won't rest until we've spent 5 1st round picks at every spot on the offensive line. And at least 3 backups drafted 4th or higher.

Nah, I'm stoked with the PP this year.

Just need a high priced center amiright

Yes. I wanted Ryan Jensen in FA.

Originally posted by NCommand:
The only thing TTT tells me is the style of the QB play and his age. QB's with the fastest TTT are old and/or pocket passers. QB's with the highest TTT are young/off schedule passers. This stat typically coincides with their air yards too.

So, if you have an old and/or classic drop back QB, pass protection is a premium. If not, it's not as much of a premium. That said, it's paramount for a young QB to develop healthy habits...hence why I wanted that premium for Trey too.

As it relates to the OL, if you have a QB who has top 5 quickest TTT, if they are still giving up an absurd number of hits/pressures/sacks, that's on them.

Luckily thats never been the 49ers.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Yes. That is when he is pressured. If the QB cannot find a target than why should that pressure rate be used only to grade pass protection?

Exactly. And why if another guy is doing it quicker is his O line giving plaudits while he gets zero credit?

The only thing TTT tells me is the style of the QB play and his age. QB's with the fastest TTT are old and/or pocket passers. QB's with the highest TTT are young/off schedule passers. This stat typically coincides with their air yards too.

So, if you have an old and/or classic drop back QB, pass protection is a premium. If not, it's not as much of a premium. That said, it's paramount for a young QB to develop healthy habits...hence why I wanted that premium for Trey too.

As it relates to the OL, if you have a QB who has top 5 quickest TTT, if they are still giving up an absurd number of hits/pressures/sacks, that's on them.

Let me spell it out for you. TTT before pressure is measured from snap to when the QB is moved off his spot. Has absolutely nothing to do with a QB being mobile or a pure pocket passer.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I know he won't rest until we've spent 5 1st round picks at every spot on the offensive line. And at least 3 backups drafted 4th or higher.

Nah, I'm stoked with the PP this year.

Just need a high priced center amiright

Yes. I wanted Ryan Jensen in FA.

Jensen was on all of my offseason mocks too. I was pissed when he went to Tampa.

I wonder if we can trade for Quinn Meinerz and train him to be a center. Williams, Banks, Meinerz, Poe, Burford?

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Just need a high priced center amiright

If Brendel keeps up his play the last few weeks you might need to think about an extension. Same with Brunskill. The super high pick guys ya know.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I know he won't rest until we've spent 5 1st round picks at every spot on the offensive line. And at least 3 backups drafted 4th or higher.

Nah, I'm stoked with the PP this year.

Just need a high priced center amiright

Yes. I wanted Ryan Jensen in FA.

Jensen was on all of my offseason mocks too. I was pissed when he went to Tampa.

I wonder if we can trade for Quinn Meinerz and train him to be a center. Williams, Banks, Meinerz, Poe, Burford?

This makes my PP happy