49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by Constantine:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Pears worries me at RT. I trust the young guys to learn and become solid on the interior but would be more comfortable with Boone at RT than Pears.

I agree if Pears is at RT...

He actually graded out well as a tackle, he's piss poor as a guard.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Constantine:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Pears worries me at RT. I trust the young guys to learn and become solid on the interior but would be more comfortable with Boone at RT than Pears.

I agree if Pears is at RT...

He actually graded out well as a tackle, he's piss poor as a guard.

Which actually seems bass ackward, from a position point of view. As usually, the marginal OT goes to Either a LG or RG position to better utilize their limited tackle skills...

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
According to PFF (I know some of us have issues with their rating system for OL) Mathis was the second best OG in 2014 and was equally good pass blocking as run blocking. If he is healthy and he would agree to a reasonable contract it could be a very good signing. It would allow Boone to move to RT and give Thomas another year to develop.

I like the idea of giving BThomas one more year to develop and get used to the NFL. Last season was a lost year due to it being all about rehabbing his injury.

One of the reasons Boone is trying out at LG is to use him in the power run game as a pull guard (some article posted earlier). How much is the staff emphasizing the power run game, and how important is it to have a powerful pull guard at the LG spot? How well does Mathis power block? Only the staff knows the answers, but those are the questions that can influence how aggressive Baalke is in courting Mathis.

I think having a good power blocking pull guard at LG should not be a big point of emphasis and more of a 'nice to have'. Most important is having guards that can zone block well, and pass block well. They can still run behind Boone for power runs, wherever he ends up playing on the Oline.

Originally posted by highway49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Constantine:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Pears worries me at RT. I trust the young guys to learn and become solid on the interior but would be more comfortable with Boone at RT than Pears.

I agree if Pears is at RT...

He actually graded out well as a tackle, he's piss poor as a guard.

Which actually seems bass ackward, from a position point of view. As usually, the marginal OT goes to Either a LG or RG position to better utilize their limited tackle skills...

Unless an OLineman is not strong enough to play an interior position, taking on NTs and DTs. If Pears is more agile than he is strong, that may explain why he's done much better as a Tackle.

I kinda like the line up below of..

RT - PEARS
RG - LOONEY
C - MARTIN
LG - BOONE
LT - STALEY

SWING - BRANDON THOMAS (or should I say, top Backup because he was learning from the bench last year due to injury)

Originally posted by thl408:
I like the idea of giving BThomas one more year to develop and get used to the NFL. Last season was a lost year due to it being all about rehabbing his injury.

One of the reasons Boone is trying out at LG is to use him in the power run game as a pull guard (some article posted earlier). How much is the staff emphasizing the power run game, and how important is it to have a powerful pull guard at the LG spot? How well does Mathis power block? Only the staff knows the answers, but those are the questions that can influence how aggressive Baalke is in courting Mathis.

I think having a good power blocking pull guard at LG should not be a big point of emphasis and more of a 'nice to have'. Most important is having guards that can zone block well, and pass block well. They can still run behind Boone for power runs, wherever he ends up playing on the Oline.

Agree!

In the good old days, OL had a few years to develop before being inserted into the lineup--except for the rare exceptions of highly rated draftees. Chemistry was more important than pure power. Now that they are using more ZBing I expect this to become the case again. Fortunately, they have a good group of OL guys who have time together. If Martin passes Kilgore then center will be a very strong position...which is a key to the line obviously.

My continueing worry is at RT unless they move Boone. I've read that Foerster really likes Pears so maybe I'm under estimating his ability. Brown may be as much as two years from being useful...ahh, to be a fly on the coaches wall!

Originally posted by NinerGM:
From Maiocco

Any chance Niners land Evan Mathis? (Faisal Refai)
Mathis, a 10-year veteran whom the Eagles released last week, is looking for a lucrative contract. There is no way the 49ers are going to pay big money for a 33-year-old guard. If Mathis does not get what he desires from any team around the league, then maybe the 49ers would consider adding him. But the 49ers feel pretty good about their depth at those inside spots, so consider it a long shot – at this point – that he ends up in Santa Clara.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/49ers-mailbag-future-kaepernick-trade-unlikely

Tough call on Mathis.

I think we'd be better off w/him but he isn't crucial fr success.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Tough call on Mathis.

I think we'd be better off w/him but he isn't crucial fr success.

That's how I see it too. No doubt he would help us for this season, but it's a short-term fix. Will be 34 y/o during the season.

Might be better long-term to see what we have with Martin, Thomas, and the others. One of these guys might be a stud. We'll never know until they get the opportunity.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Tough call on Mathis.

I think we'd be better off w/him but he isn't crucial fr success.

That's how I see it too. No doubt he would help us for this season, but it's a short-term fix. Will be 34 y/o during the season.

Might be better long-term to see what we have with Martin, Thomas, and the others. One of these guys might be a stud. We'll never know until they get the opportunity.

Good call Sofa.

Nobody improves riding the pine.

That's what pissed me off so much last year.

Even in games in the 4th quarter when we clearly not going to win - Neither Fangio would get these young guys in there to get any game experience.

I think of they rotated Tank in more and more he's have broken out and made a difference. Same for Ellington, Patton

Originally posted by NinerGM:

From Maiocco

Any chance Niners land Evan Mathis? (Faisal Refai)
Mathis, a 10-year veteran whom the Eagles released last week, is looking for a lucrative contract. There is no way the 49ers are going to pay big money for a 33-year-old guard. If Mathis does not get what he desires from any team around the league, then maybe the 49ers would consider adding him. But the 49ers feel pretty good about their depth at those inside spots, so consider it a long shot – at this point – that he ends up in Santa Clara.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/49ers-mailbag-future-kaepernick-trade-unlikely

I agree i dont like over priced old players

We should sign him just to piss off Kelly for starting that trade rumor of CK trying to dissuade T.Smith from signing with us (and with them instead).

"Nobody improves riding the pine"...Wally...

Wally, that was my major complaint for the thread on "what one thing do you want to see us change this yr?" Guys getting splinters in their butts ended up being called busts or wasted picks, or whatever. How the hell can someone be considered a bust when the HC never gave them a chance? And that in a nutshell is what made me a non- harbaw fan. He just blew it with lots of talent sitting the pine, and knew nothing about what they could or couldn't do. It drove me crazy, and also made it tough on Baalke, when draft time came around, we still had guys with butt splinters who didn't get played or at least tried at their respective positions. That was closed minded thinking by harbaw, and is one of the main reasons i am doubly glad to see him gone. Playing favorites over finding out what your talent pool is....well, that's the way of a loser. And the last 18 mos here, that was our HC.

That said, i will bet my bottom dollar that JT ends the season knowing what and who he has on this team. Not knowing that is just sheer stupidity. And it wasn't like an number of fans didn't notice it, either.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
"Nobody improves riding the pine"...Wally...

Wally, that was my major complaint for the thread on "what one thing do you want to see us change this yr?" Guys getting splinters in their butts ended up being called busts or wasted picks, or whatever. How the hell can someone be considered a bust when the HC never gave them a chance? And that in a nutshell is what made me a non- harbaw fan. He just blew it with lots of talent sitting the pine, and knew nothing about what they could or couldn't do. It drove me crazy, and also made it tough on Baalke, when draft time came around, we still had guys with butt splinters who didn't get played or at least tried at their respective positions. That was closed minded thinking by harbaw, and is one of the main reasons i am doubly glad to see him gone. Playing favorites over finding out what your talent pool is....well, that's the way of a loser. And the last 18 mos here, that was our HC.

That said, i will bet my bottom dollar that JT ends the season knowing what and who he has on this team. Not knowing that is just sheer stupidity. And it wasn't like an number of fans didn't notice it, either.

Thanks for the nod pasodoc9er!

I'm w/you especially on seeing JH leave town.

There were many times I thought he didn't play those guys because they were Baalke's picks and not his. Spiteful to the bitter end.

I think JT is going about this in a cool and calculating way. That gives me confidence that we'll be MUCH better than the clones in the media are saying.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Not only is this true but this approach wastes draft picks because you have to keep re-drafting for positions you don't think have been addressed. It's w lose-lose for players, the draft, personnel evals, product on the field and the cap.

Exactly. You have to find out what the young players are capable of while they're still on rookie contracts.

For example, Patton is going into year 3 and we have no idea what he's capable of. That can't happen. When you invest a valuable draft choice into a player, you have to commit to developing him on the field. Instead we've glued him to the bench for Kyle Williams....Marlon Moore.....Brandon Lloyd.....really?

I can understand if they're just stinking up the joint like A.J. Jenkins did, but that's not the case with many of these young players. They're showing real potential. The only thing they lack is a legit opportunity. If they fail, so be it. You have to find out how good they are.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Not only is this true but this approach wastes draft picks because you have to keep re-drafting for positions you don't think have been addressed. It's w lose-lose for players, the draft, personnel evals, product on the field and the cap.

Exactly. You have to find out what the young players are capable of while they're still on rookie contracts.

For example, Patton is going into year 3 and we have no idea what he's capable of. That can't happen. When you invest a valuable draft choice into a player, you have to commit to developing him on the field. Instead we've glued him to the bench for Kyle Williams....Marlon Moore.....Brandon Lloyd.....really?

I can understand if they're just stinking up the joint like A.J. Jenkins did, but that's not the case with many of these young players. They're showing real potential. The only thing they lack is a legit opportunity. If they fail, so be it. You have to find out how good they are.

Preach on. And as to the OL we're about to learn a lot about player development and coaching to make this ZBS work. Could be some guys you didn't expect.