49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yet here you are on the Colton McKivitz 5th round plus 3 years of development train? LOL

And you were on the undrafted Andrew Norwell train. And 6th round twice cut Ryan Jensen train.

BTW where have I advocated starting McKivitz?

Guy always gets tripped up on his own verbal Diarrhea

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
And the previous 5 years too? Just bad luck?

There's no correlation to qb health and o line rankings that I can see.

Again your elite O lines had their QBs get hurt too.

We literally had all our QBs get hurt.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Our OL doesn't suck by any means. It's just going to get punked in the playoffs unless something magical happens. And it could...just playing the odds on the current talent level and who we're likely to face., But a guy picked at 99 would prevent that?

At 99 (or 87), there were only a handful of T's and IOL taken. Adding to a talent pool can never hurt (see also, DL, LB, S, WR, etc.).

15 is a little more than a handful last I checked bud.

Given there's 400 OL, yeah, not that deep into the pool. LOL. It certainly didn't stop the other teams from adding.

Last year the 16th, 17th and 18th linemen taken were all drafted in round 3. None played a single OL snap.

So how is taking an OL at 99 going to assure our OL doesn't get punked in the playoffs?

They didn't have Colton McKivitz in front of them.

You didn't answer the question.

So how is taking an OL at 99 going to assure our OL doesn't get punked in the playoffs?

Williams + Banks + Brendel + Burford find cohesion and synergy and raise their standatd of play + a higher talent eventually beats out CM and gets up to speed by the playoffs with the group.

That's usually how it works unless you think CM is a top talent that can't be improved upon.

Assuming you pick the right guy, if there even is one there who will turn out. No guarantees though. We could have done that and the kid busts, or isn't ready in year one or breaks his leg etc.

So picking an OL at 99 doesn't assure the OL doesn't get punked in the playoffs.

It has better odds. That's all you're trying to do in a draft.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yet here you are on the Colton McKivitz 5th round plus 3 years of development train? LOL

And you were on the undrafted Andrew Norwell train. And 6th round twice cut Ryan Jensen train.

BTW where have I advocated starting McKivitz?

Guy always gets tripped up on his own verbal Diarrhea

LOL. Norwell was a proven 24 year old all pro and Jensen was a monster.

Clearly, this is the same field of Colton McKivitz who was cut last year for Jaylon Moore. LOL.

Originally posted by Fresh49:
Not taking any linemen, at least for depth, to the weakest unit on the team, is concerning to say the least.

my thoughts exactly...

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
I don't know. Taking a tackle at 99 wouldn't make it a yes.

Everyone said the OL depth this year was weak. I compared the past four years and that assessment seems accurate.

Rd 20 21 - 22 - 23
1 - 5 -- 4 -- 9 -- 5
2 - 7 -- 9 -- 3 -- 7
3 - 7 -- 8 -- 8 -- 3
4 - 6 -- 6 -- 5 - 10
5 - 2 -- 4 -- 4 -- 6
6 - 6 -- 7 - 10 -- 4
7 - 5 -- 4 -- 5 -- 7
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40 -- 42 - 44 - 42

The numbers seem to confirm that the depth this year was a round lower than in prior years. The total in the first two rounds is about the save in aggregate.

For those hoping for a 4th round pick or lower to beef up the OL, history shows the odds of that are not good.

In 2022, there were 13 of 38 Centers picked in the 4th or lower.
13 of the top 60 OGs and 13 of the top 60 OTs. (13 is the lucky number)

All of that to say, the FO probably made the right move not using 4th-round picks or lower to improve the OL. They obviously believe what we have is better than what we could have gotten.

Thanks for this but the entire draft was said to be middle round heavy and lower on the front end. Meaning the pool of quality players was in the middle round which is why Lynch said he was excited; in a year where they didn't have the first two rounds this was the year to have that scenario. It was also the most or second most trades ever.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
This is a weird hill to die on lol

It was a top 5-10 pass blocking line last year via the metrics depending where you looked. Nothing to die on. I expect a FA added to the mixt and something similar this year.

I was expecting them to add a OT or two. Kinda bummed out given the guys there. I don't think our OL stinks or whatever.

Our OL doesn't suck by any means. It's just going to get punked in the playoffs unless something magical happens. And it could...just playing the odds on the current talent level and who we're likely to face.

Lol what?

Did we improve the right side of the OL? Against the Cowboys, 19 points, 66% pressure rate, only 8 passes past 10 yards. Fortunately, the defense finished that game. The goal was to improve the weakness.

You and 9ers4eva think we improved there after letting MM and Brunskill go?

From the press conference, they really like Colton, and he's apparently been growing and developing. ShanaLynch also says OT's have a tough time to transition to the NFL from college, so they are a year or so from starting anyway high draft pick or not. They think Colton has all-pro like talent level (brendel), so it's another developmental year for the OLinemen. I feel that they think they can coach up low round or undrafted OLine players to be NFL level talent. There is good evidence of that with Brunskill and Brendal being examples of that.

Overall, I think the OLIne will improve, just by being together another year - and Colton is it for now so he'll man the right tackle one position. I'm hoping Poe and Zakelj have developed and that's why the didn't feel the need to draft any OLinemen this cycle. They are signing a good amount of OLinemen in the UDFA too. That's reassuring. Foerster coaching up Banks, Brendal, and Burford gives me hope for OLine depth improvement this year with regards to the UDFA offensive linemen they just signed.

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. Norwell was a proven 24 year old all pro and Jensen was a monster.

Clearly, this is the same field of Colton McKivitz who was cut last year for Jaylon Moore. LOL.

So developing low round picks and undrafted players only matters on other rosters. Convenient.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
This is a weird hill to die on lol

It was a top 5-10 pass blocking line last year via the metrics depending where you looked. Nothing to die on. I expect a FA added to the mixt and something similar this year.

I was expecting them to add a OT or two. Kinda bummed out given the guys there. I don't think our OL stinks or whatever.

Our OL doesn't suck by any means. It's just going to get punked in the playoffs unless something magical happens. And it could...just playing the odds on the current talent level and who we're likely to face.

Lol what?

Did we improve the right side of the OL? Against the Cowboys, 19 points, 66% pressure rate, only 8 passes past 10 yards. Fortunately, the defense finished that game. The goal was to improve the weakness.

You and 9ers4eva think we improved there after letting MM and Brunskill go?

From the press conference, they really like Colton, and he's apparently been growing and developing. ShanaLynch also says OT's have a tough time to transition to the NFL from college, so they are a year or so from starting anyway high draft pick or not. They think Colton has all-pro like talent level (brendel), so it's another developmental year for the OLinemen. I feel that they think they can coach up low round or undrafted OLine players to be NFL level talent. There is good evidence of that with Brunskill and Brendal being examples of that.

Overall, I think the OLIne will improve, just by being together another year - and Colton is it for now so he'll man the right tackle one position. I'm hoping Poe and Zakelj have developed and that's why the didn't feel the need to draft any OLinemen this cycle. They are signing a good amount of OLinemen in the UDFA too. That's reassuring. Foerster coaching up Banks, Brendal, and Burford gives me hope for OLine depth improvement this year with regards to the UDFA offensive linemen they just signed.

It is what it is. If Colton has been a premier talent over McGlinchey this whole time and it took getting cut to realize his potential, God bless him. Game on.

But call me skeptical.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. Norwell was a proven 24 year old all pro and Jensen was a monster.

Clearly, this is the same field of Colton McKivitz who was cut last year for Jaylon Moore. LOL.

So developing low round picks and undrafted players only matters on other rosters. Convenient.

What about Colton to date has you thinking he is in that bucket?

I'm for adding talent at every level. Just add it. Prioritize it like it matters. Demonstrate a Championship level standard vs. "good enough" and "we hope."

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
This is a weird hill to die on lol

It was a top 5-10 pass blocking line last year via the metrics depending where you looked. Nothing to die on. I expect a FA added to the mixt and something similar this year.

I was expecting them to add a OT or two. Kinda bummed out given the guys there. I don't think our OL stinks or whatever.

Our OL doesn't suck by any means. It's just going to get punked in the playoffs unless something magical happens. And it could...just playing the odds on the current talent level and who we're likely to face.

Lol what?

Did we improve the right side of the OL? Against the Cowboys, 19 points, 66% pressure rate, only 8 passes past 10 yards. Fortunately, the defense finished that game. The goal was to improve the weakness.

You and 9ers4eva think we improved there after letting MM and Brunskill go?

From the press conference, they really like Colton, and he's apparently been growing and developing. ShanaLynch also says OT's have a tough time to transition to the NFL from college, so they are a year or so from starting anyway high draft pick or not. They think Colton has all-pro like talent level (brendel), so it's another developmental year for the OLinemen. I feel that they think they can coach up low round or undrafted OLine players to be NFL level talent. There is good evidence of that with Brunskill and Brendal being examples of that.

Overall, I think the OLIne will improve, just by being together another year - and Colton is it for now so he'll man the right tackle one position. I'm hoping Poe and Zakelj have developed and that's why the didn't feel the need to draft any OLinemen this cycle. They are signing a good amount of OLinemen in the UDFA too. That's reassuring. Foerster coaching up Banks, Brendal, and Burford gives me hope for OLine depth improvement this year with regards to the UDFA offensive linemen they just signed.

It is what it is. If Colton has been a premier talent over McGlinchey this whole time and it took getting cut to realize his potential, God bless him. Game on.

But call me skeptical.

I think there is reason to be optimistic. Foerster developed Brendel, who I thought was a journeyman last year. The interior line was a strength of the OLine last year despite all three OLinemen being basically newbies, and I felt that the right side was the weak part. They also knew it, and were apparently trying to trade McGlinchy and get Colton some experience, but they weren't able to trade McGlinchey. They are signing some (what looks like) very physically raw but talented UDFA offensive linemen. If all goes well with the UDFA's, conceivably one or two of those might make the 53 this year or next year and add depth. Finally, the mobility of Trey and Brock should help the OLinemen pass block in the passing game. I'm not really happy about the situation, because having no first or second round picks hurt their ability to get a good OT this draft. But I'd rather have Trey and CMC than those 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks anyway. Good news, Trent Williams didn't retire yet, and ShanaLYnch does have a first round pick next year. Yay.

Originally posted by NCommand:
What about Colton to date has you thinking he is in that bucket?

I'm for adding talent at every level. Just add it. Prioritize it like it matters. Demonstrate a Championship level standard vs. "good enough" and "we hope."

But that standard is fine at LB, TE or S.

Originally posted by NCommand:
What about Colton to date has you thinking he is in that bucket?

I'm for adding talent at every level. Just add it. Prioritize it like it matters. Demonstrate a Championship level standard vs. "good enough" and "we hope."

You are the one suggesting low picks don't develop.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
This is a weird hill to die on lol

It was a top 5-10 pass blocking line last year via the metrics depending where you looked. Nothing to die on. I expect a FA added to the mixt and something similar this year.

I was expecting them to add a OT or two. Kinda bummed out given the guys there. I don't think our OL stinks or whatever.

Our OL doesn't suck by any means. It's just going to get punked in the playoffs unless something magical happens. And it could...just playing the odds on the current talent level and who we're likely to face.

Lol what?

Did we improve the right side of the OL? Against the Cowboys, 19 points, 66% pressure rate, only 8 passes past 10 yards. Fortunately, the defense finished that game. The goal was to improve the weakness.

You and 9ers4eva think we improved there after letting MM and Brunskill go?

From the press conference, they really like Colton, and he's apparently been growing and developing. ShanaLynch also says OT's have a tough time to transition to the NFL from college, so they are a year or so from starting anyway high draft pick or not. They think Colton has all-pro like talent level (brendel), so it's another developmental year for the OLinemen. I feel that they think they can coach up low round or undrafted OLine players to be NFL level talent. There is good evidence of that with Brunskill and Brendal being examples of that.

Overall, I think the OLIne will improve, just by being together another year - and Colton is it for now so he'll man the right tackle one position. I'm hoping Poe and Zakelj have developed and that's why the didn't feel the need to draft any OLinemen this cycle. They are signing a good amount of OLinemen in the UDFA too. That's reassuring. Foerster coaching up Banks, Brendal, and Burford gives me hope for OLine depth improvement this year with regards to the UDFA offensive linemen they just signed.

It is what it is. If Colton has been a premier talent over McGlinchey this whole time and it took getting cut to realize his potential, God bless him. Game on.

But call me skeptical.

I think there is reason to be optimistic. Foerster developed Brendel, who I thought was a journeyman last year. The interior line was a strength of the OLine last year despite all three OLinemen being basically newbies, and I felt that the right side was the weak part. They also knew it, and were apparently trying to trade McGlinchy and get Colton some experience, but they weren't able to trade McGlinchey. They are signing some (what looks like) very physically raw but talented UDFA offensive linemen. If all goes well with the UDFA's, conceivably one or two of those might make the 53 this year or next year and add depth. Finally, the mobility of Trey and Brock should help the OLinemen pass block in the passing game. I'm not really happy about the situation, because having no first or second round picks hurt their ability to get a good OT this draft. But I'd rather have Trey and CMC than those 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks anyway. Good news, Trent Williams didn't retire yet, and ShanaLYnch does have a first round pick next year. Yay.

I've been impressed with Foerster. TBF, Brendel has been with Foerster for years and just never had the chance. If they truly believe in Colton enough to bypass an entire off season and draft, then, let's see what happens. Like you said, there might be others that have developed as well and are ready to break out. Let's see what cream rises to the top.

But my standards aren't just starters but starters who can protect Brock and handle the best pass rushes we'll face en route to a Superbowl win.

And we're not too far off of that after a terrific baseline year and a good playoff experience lesson. The heat gets turned up big time in the playoffs.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
What about Colton to date has you thinking he is in that bucket?

I'm for adding talent at every level. Just add it. Prioritize it like it matters. Demonstrate a Championship level standard vs. "good enough" and "we hope."

You are the one suggesting low picks don't develop.

OUR low picks haven't developed and especially nowhere near the aforementioned. That's a product of poor OL identification and/or poor development. And lack of dart throwing. So this year they bypassed it altogether. Problem solved. LOL