49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
No he didn't. In fact he didn't take an OL in the draft until his 4th draft. Starting OL from 1981 was a 4th rounder, an 8th rounder, a 7th rounder, and 2 2nd rounders, all inherited. McKittrick was all about developing guys.

Too funny, post 81 (0 OL taken) it went like this.not exactly prioritizing based off what we hear here . Could argue it's even more egregious considering how many rounds there were to pick OL
82 Paris R2
83 Sapolu R11
84 McIntyre R3
85 Collie R5
86 Wallace R4
87 Barton R1
88 Clarkson R8

In 1979, Walsh's first year as HC, he inherited a starting OL of Keith Fahnhorst, Randy Cross, Fred Quillan, Jon Ayers, and Ron Singleton. That same group (Dan Audick via trade replaced Singleton) went to the SB beginning in 1981. And, because Walsh and McKittrick wanted faster if smaller OL, they could pick OL lower in the draft than other teams.

Yeah, it was a very different time back then and they WERE good at identifying players who went against the grain and then developing them into studs. That's something we've yet to show. In fact, Kyle isn't a big fan and it sounds like he'd rather have more finished projects vs. taking the time to develop them.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, it was a very different time back then and they WERE good at identifying players who went against the grain and then developing them into studs. That's something we've yet to show. In fact, Kyle isn't a big fan and it sounds like he'd rather have more finished projects vs. taking the time to develop them.

Not what he said

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
No he didn't. In fact he didn't take an OL in the draft until his 4th draft. Starting OL from 1981 was a 4th rounder, an 8th rounder, a 7th rounder, and 2 2nd rounders, all inherited. McKittrick was all about developing guys.

Too funny, post 81 (0 OL taken) it went like this.not exactly prioritizing based off what we hear here . Could argue it's even more egregious considering how many rounds there were to pick OL
82 Paris R2
83 Sapolu R11
84 McIntyre R3
85 Collie R5
86 Wallace R4
87 Barton R1
88 Clarkson R8

In 1979, Walsh's first year as HC, he inherited a starting OL of Keith Fahnhorst, Randy Cross, Fred Quillan, Jon Ayers, and Ron Singleton. That same group (Dan Audick via trade replaced Singleton) went to the SB beginning in 1981. And, because Walsh and McKittrick wanted faster if smaller OL, they could pick OL lower in the draft than other teams.

Yeah, it was a very different time back then and they WERE good at identifying players who went against the grain and then developing them into studs. That's something we've yet to show. In fact, Kyle isn't a big fan and it sounds like he'd rather have more finished projects vs. taking the time to develop them.

Even though he's drafted guys and wants them to play together, develop chemistry, etc? He gave Justin Skule forever, took a failed pick in Laken Tomlinson, developed McKivitz to the point of trusting him to start long term. I don't get this at all. The whole we absolutely need to draft O line is more of wanting finished products because it screams Banks, Brendel,and Burford can't possible get any better. As for RT, I would have drafted one but once Wanya Morris went at 92, I think that was a done deal. We were looking at a lot of guys I liked,but no 4th round picks = no O line picks. I hated picking Moody at 99 initially but they were was right in taking him there,, they were right about IOL last year, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that McKivitz is ready. I'm crossing my fingers that Jaylon Moore is too. I'm more worried about swing tackle than starting tackle.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Even though he's drafted guys and wants them to play together, develop chemistry, etc? He gave Justin Skule forever, took a failed pick in Laken Tomlinson, developed McKivitz to the point of trusting him to start long term. I don't get this at all. The whole we absolutely need to draft O line is more of wanting finished products because it screams Banks, Brendel,and Burford can't possible get any better. As for RT, I would have drafted one but once Wanya Morris went at 92, I think that was a done deal. We were looking at a lot of guys I liked,but no 4th round picks = no O line picks. I hated picking Moody at 99 initially but they were was right in taking him there,, they were right about IOL last year, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that McKivitz is ready. I'm crossing my fingers that Jaylon Moore is too. I'm more worried about swing tackle than starting tackle.

Have a feeling Pryor will beat out Moore for that swing T position. They keep 8 generally right? Could see the below 3 as rounding that out

Swing T-Pryor
Zakelj- utility guy who can play all over the line
Feliciano-backup C/G

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
No he didn't. In fact he didn't take an OL in the draft until his 4th draft. Starting OL from 1981 was a 4th rounder, an 8th rounder, a 7th rounder, and 2 2nd rounders, all inherited. McKittrick was all about developing guys.

Too funny, post 81 (0 OL taken) it went like this.not exactly prioritizing based off what we hear here . Could argue it's even more egregious considering how many rounds there were to pick OL
82 Paris R2
83 Sapolu R11
84 McIntyre R3
85 Collie R5
86 Wallace R4
87 Barton R1
88 Clarkson R8

In 1979, Walsh's first year as HC, he inherited a starting OL of Keith Fahnhorst, Randy Cross, Fred Quillan, Jon Ayers, and Ron Singleton. That same group (Dan Audick via trade replaced Singleton) went to the SB beginning in 1981. And, because Walsh and McKittrick wanted faster if smaller OL, they could pick OL lower in the draft than other teams.

Yeah, it was a very different time back then and they WERE good at identifying players who went against the grain and then developing them into studs. That's something we've yet to show. In fact, Kyle isn't a big fan and it sounds like he'd rather have more finished projects vs. taking the time to develop them.

Even though he's drafted guys and wants them to play together, develop chemistry, etc? He gave Justin Skule forever, took a failed pick in Laken Tomlinson, developed McKivitz to the point of trusting him to start long term. I don't get this at all. The whole we absolutely need to draft O line is more of wanting finished products because it screams Banks, Brendel,and Burford can't possible get any better. As for RT, I would have drafted one but once Wanya Morris went at 92, I think that was a done deal. We were looking at a lot of guys I liked,but no 4th round picks = no O line picks. I hated picking Moody at 99 initially but they were was right in taking him there,, they were right about IOL last year, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that McKivitz is ready. I'm crossing my fingers that Jaylon Moore is too. I'm more worried about swing tackle than starting tackle.

Sorry, I should have clarified later round picks and UDFA like the Bill Walsh days developing into studs. I think Foerster is starting to earn his stripes. If he can get high level play out of McKivitz, that would be huge. Brendel, I saw skills early AND he's been with Foerster and his nuanced system forever. With his work ethic, you could actually see it on film.

To your other point, I'm excited to see how the B's show out this year. And I do like the veteran depth in Pryor and Feliciano.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Even though he's drafted guys and wants them to play together, develop chemistry, etc? He gave Justin Skule forever, took a failed pick in Laken Tomlinson, developed McKivitz to the point of trusting him to start long term. I don't get this at all. The whole we absolutely need to draft O line is more of wanting finished products because it screams Banks, Brendel,and Burford can't possible get any better. As for RT, I would have drafted one but once Wanya Morris went at 92, I think that was a done deal. We were looking at a lot of guys I liked,but no 4th round picks = no O line picks. I hated picking Moody at 99 initially but they were was right in taking him there,, they were right about IOL last year, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that McKivitz is ready. I'm crossing my fingers that Jaylon Moore is too. I'm more worried about swing tackle than starting tackle.

Have a feeling Pryor will beat out Moore for that swing T position. They keep 8 generally right? Could see the below 3 as rounding that out

Swing T-Pryor
Zakelj- utility guy who can play all over the line
Feliciano-backup C/G

Agreed. He may even provide a legit challenge too. We usually keep 9 and 8 have to be active on game days.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Even though he's drafted guys and wants them to play together, develop chemistry, etc? He gave Justin Skule forever, took a failed pick in Laken Tomlinson, developed McKivitz to the point of trusting him to start long term. I don't get this at all. The whole we absolutely need to draft O line is more of wanting finished products because it screams Banks, Brendel,and Burford can't possible get any better. As for RT, I would have drafted one but once Wanya Morris went at 92, I think that was a done deal. We were looking at a lot of guys I liked,but no 4th round picks = no O line picks. I hated picking Moody at 99 initially but they were was right in taking him there,, they were right about IOL last year, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that McKivitz is ready. I'm crossing my fingers that Jaylon Moore is too. I'm more worried about swing tackle than starting tackle.

Have a feeling Pryor will beat out Moore for that swing T position. They keep 8 generally right? Could see the below 3 as rounding that out

Swing T-Pryor
Zakelj- utility guy who can play all over the line
Feliciano-backup C/G

Agreed. He may even provide a legit challenge too. We usually keep 9 and 8 have to be active on game days.

I want the best man to win, but my preference is that Jaylon Moore earns the job. Would give me more faith in O-line picks, particularly late ones, and keeps our 5th round streak going lol. Ideally I'd like to be able to draft one or two O-lineman about every other year o keep a steady stream of talent coming in on low contracts. I think the offense will be explosive no matter who starts and top 10. If Brock continues to elevate or Trey steps up, we are talking top 5. If O-line steps up, I'll take us over anyone including KC, because we would have a defense that could get stops here and there and our offense would continue to score.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Even though he's drafted guys and wants them to play together, develop chemistry, etc? He gave Justin Skule forever, took a failed pick in Laken Tomlinson, developed McKivitz to the point of trusting him to start long term. I don't get this at all. The whole we absolutely need to draft O line is more of wanting finished products because it screams Banks, Brendel,and Burford can't possible get any better. As for RT, I would have drafted one but once Wanya Morris went at 92, I think that was a done deal. We were looking at a lot of guys I liked,but no 4th round picks = no O line picks. I hated picking Moody at 99 initially but they were was right in taking him there,, they were right about IOL last year, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that McKivitz is ready. I'm crossing my fingers that Jaylon Moore is too. I'm more worried about swing tackle than starting tackle.

Have a feeling Pryor will beat out Moore for that swing T position. They keep 8 generally right? Could see the below 3 as rounding that out

Swing T-Pryor
Zakelj- utility guy who can play all over the line
Feliciano-backup C/G

Agreed. He may even provide a legit challenge too. We usually keep 9 and 8 have to be active on game days.

I want the best man to win, but my preference is that Jaylon Moore earns the job. Would give me more faith in O-line picks, particularly late ones, and keeps our 5th round streak going lol. Ideally I'd like to be able to draft one or two O-lineman about every other year o keep a steady stream of talent coming in on low contracts. I think the offense will be explosive no matter who starts and top 10. If Brock continues to elevate or Trey steps up, we are talking top 5. If O-line steps up, I'll take us over anyone including KC, because we would have a defense that could get stops here and there and our offense would continue to score.

Oh for sure. I'm not counting Moore out either. Man, if we can get that level of OL coupled with our running game (OL here too) and defense, Kyle would win with you or I at QB. LOL

Wars still own in the trenches.

The question is how the right side will perform.

I think the first 3-5 games will make it very apparent.

If it clicks, we'll be a mega-force.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Even though he's drafted guys and wants them to play together, develop chemistry, etc? He gave Justin Skule forever, took a failed pick in Laken Tomlinson, developed McKivitz to the point of trusting him to start long term. I don't get this at all. The whole we absolutely need to draft O line is more of wanting finished products because it screams Banks, Brendel,and Burford can't possible get any better. As for RT, I would have drafted one but once Wanya Morris went at 92, I think that was a done deal. We were looking at a lot of guys I liked,but no 4th round picks = no O line picks. I hated picking Moody at 99 initially but they were was right in taking him there,, they were right about IOL last year, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that McKivitz is ready. I'm crossing my fingers that Jaylon Moore is too. I'm more worried about swing tackle than starting tackle.

Have a feeling Pryor will beat out Moore for that swing T position. They keep 8 generally right? Could see the below 3 as rounding that out

Swing T-Pryor
Zakelj- utility guy who can play all over the line
Feliciano-backup C/G

Agreed. He may even provide a legit challenge too. We usually keep 9 and 8 have to be active on game days.

I want the best man to win, but my preference is that Jaylon Moore earns the job. Would give me more faith in O-line picks, particularly late ones, and keeps our 5th round streak going lol. Ideally I'd like to be able to draft one or two O-lineman about every other year o keep a steady stream of talent coming in on low contracts. I think the offense will be explosive no matter who starts and top 10. If Brock continues to elevate or Trey steps up, we are talking top 5. If O-line steps up, I'll take us over anyone including KC, because we would have a defense that could get stops here and there and our offense would continue to score.

Don't count out the undrafted and free agent OLinemen. Brendel was an undrafted free agent and he's now in the pro-bowl.

I think one reason Kyle can plug in *so called* journeyman or undrafted OLinemen into his offense is because he has an elite defensive line that can filter out those that - physically - can't handle good defensive linemen. I mean all you have to do to figure out if an OLineman is any good is to have him pass protect (or run block) for a couple of pass rushes (or run blocks) against Hargrave and Bosa. If the OLIneman is getting beat because of *technique* well you can teach that, but if the OLineman is getting *physically* beat - then you just have to go *next* and get another promising OLIne guy in for a tryout.

FFFFFFOOOOOTBALLL!!!!!

Originally posted by Waterbear:



FFFFFFOOOOOTBALLL!!!!!

You beat me!

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Wars still own in the trenches.

The question is how the right side will perform.

I think the first 3-5 games will make it very apparent.

If it clicks, we'll be a mega-force.

On both sides of the trenches

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Wars still own in the trenches.

The question is how the right side will perform.

I think the first 3-5 games will make it very apparent.

If it clicks, we'll be a mega-force.

On both sides of the trenches

Absolutely!!

Leroy Watson is my early Jake Brendel.