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Originally posted by NCommand:
Always a must-listen:



  • It's Burford and McKivitz's job to lose
  • Feliciano, Pryor and Zakelj seem like locks (that's 8 right there)
  • Fisher "is not a tackle." Long learning curve inside.
  • Brendel can get better esp. with line calls. He missed quite a few last year because of all the motions and shifts and 'when' he made the calls
  • A lot about how he and several others morphed the OL tactics, angles to game plans to motions and shifts

thanks for the breakdown
Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Always a must-listen:



  • It's Burford and McKivitz's job to lose
  • Feliciano, Pryor and Zakelj seem like locks (that's 8 right there)
  • Fisher "is not a tackle." Long learning curve inside.
  • Brendel can get better esp. with line calls. He missed quite a few last year because of all the motions and shifts and 'when' he made the calls
  • A lot about how he and several others morphed the OL tactics, angles to game plans to motions and shifts

thanks for the breakdown

You bet!
Keep you eye on this T. His only competition to make the 53 right now is Jaylon Moore.

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Originally posted by NCommand:
Keep you eye on this T. His only competition to make the 53 right now is Jaylon Moore.


yeah 3 tight end formation BABY!

...as a former tight end, I can see him receiving some passes from Trey in certain situations *if* he makes the 53 sometime in his career.

On a more serious note, imagine if they can develop a Brock Purdy on the offensive line. I.e. if they can find a Trent Williams 2.0 in Watson that saves a high round pick in the draft (possibly next year).
Originally posted by NCommand:
Keep you eye on this T. His only competition to make the 53 right now is Jaylon Moore.


Thanks for this!
Originally posted by Giedi:
yeah 3 tight end formation BABY!

...as a former tight end, I can see him receiving some passes from Trey in certain situations *if* he makes the 53 sometime in his career.

On a more serious note, imagine if they can develop a Brock Purdy on the offensive line. I.e. if they can find a Trent Williams 2.0 in Watson that saves a high round pick in the draft (possibly next year).

That would be insanely lucky to find/get. But most ideal.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Thanks for this!

Of course. Any time!
I have only one serious fear..The right tackle position, Are there any rumors of trading for, free agents, in house incase Mckivitz does not work out. The only real concern I personally have.
This is the 49ers issue (one of them, but a big one)...pressure and unit PP fails when it matters most (playoffs). A young Purdy did a solid job given the circumstances but you're not winning a Superbowl with line play like this.

Did we improve or will this be ground hog day in the playoffs again?

PS: I didn't even note the run blocking woes either but they usually go hand-in-hand.



https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/166289-evaluating-49ers-brock-purdys-performance-against-cowboys/

...the Cowboys brought the heat, pressuring the rookie quarterback on 48.5% of his dropbacks, which is a career-high.
[ Edited by NCommand on Jun 23, 2023 at 1:42 PM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
This is the 49ers issue (one of them, but a big one)...pressure and unit PP fails when it matters most (playoffs). A young Purdy did a solid job given the circumstances but you're not winning a Superbowl with line play like this.

Did we improve or will this be ground hog day in the playoffs again?

PS: I didn't even note the run blocking woes either but they usually go hand-in-hand.



https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/166289-evaluating-49ers-brock-purdys-performance-against-cowboys/

...the Cowboys brought the heat, pressuring the rookie quarterback on 48.5% of his dropbacks, which is a career-high.
A motivated team who wanted to take us out bad with an extreme fast defense and a defensive coordinator that knows Kyle very well. What's your expectation?

How would you rate the Chiefs O-line play in that Super Bowl with us? Yet somehow they won.

You're willing a SB with elite QB play first and foremost. You support elite QBs with quality pass protection, skill position guys, and timely defense. But the elite QB play is the best bet. Dallas had elite OL play for years and could do nothing with it because they didn't have the elite QB. Us making the final leap will be more about Purdy or Lance than any of factor.
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
A motivated team who wanted to take us out bad with an extreme fast defense and a defensive coordinator that knows Kyle very well. What's your expectation?

How would you rate the Chiefs O-line play in that Super Bowl with us? Yet somehow they won.

You're willing a SB with elite QB play first and foremost. You support elite QBs with quality pass protection, skill position guys, and timely defense. But the elite QB play is the best bet. Dallas had elite OL play for years and could do nothing with it because they didn't have the elite QB. Us making the final leap will be more about Purdy or Lance than any of factor.

He ignores the Chiefs average O line in 2019. Ignores their terrible playoff performance vs the Bengals this year. Can't differentiate the 9ers o line from Chiefs o line against Bucs as if they are exactly the same.

Cowboys are the perfect example. As are the Colts.
[ Edited by 9ers4eva on Jun 23, 2023 at 3:00 PM ]
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
A motivated team who wanted to take us out bad with an extreme fast defense and a defensive coordinator that knows Kyle very well. What's your expectation?

How would you rate the Chiefs O-line play in that Super Bowl with us? Yet somehow they won.

You're willing a SB with elite QB play first and foremost. You support elite QBs with quality pass protection, skill position guys, and timely defense. But the elite QB play is the best bet. Dallas had elite OL play for years and could do nothing with it because they didn't have the elite QB. Us making the final leap will be more about Purdy or Lance than any of factor.

He ignores the Chiefs average O line in 2019. Ignores their terrible playoff performance vs the Bengals this year. Can't differentiate the 9ers o line from Chiefs o line against Bucs as if they are exactly the same.

Cowboys are the perfect example. As are the Colts.

The average OL who stymied our epic 2019 DL we still use as the gold standard and rendered the 70-sack Eagles DL useless? And when they didn't have that, Mahomes looked like a 5 year old boy playing hero ball in his backyard and lost big to an OL that didn't get Brady touched? Yeah. It matters in the end. Greatly.

You two can minimize it all you want and hope a 49er QB can magically transcend it. Let us know when that happens in the real world.

As to the original question, do you think we improved upon this annual playoff issue (no matter the QB)? If so, great. If not, state so. And if not, state why you think it will be overcome for #6.
[ Edited by NCommand on Jun 23, 2023 at 4:45 PM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
A motivated team who wanted to take us out bad with an extreme fast defense and a defensive coordinator that knows Kyle very well. What's your expectation?

How would you rate the Chiefs O-line play in that Super Bowl with us? Yet somehow they won.

You're willing a SB with elite QB play first and foremost. You support elite QBs with quality pass protection, skill position guys, and timely defense. But the elite QB play is the best bet. Dallas had elite OL play for years and could do nothing with it because they didn't have the elite QB. Us making the final leap will be more about Purdy or Lance than any of factor.

He ignores the Chiefs average O line in 2019. Ignores their terrible playoff performance vs the Bengals this year. Can't differentiate the 9ers o line from Chiefs o line against Bucs as if they are exactly the same.

Cowboys are the perfect example. As are the Colts.

The average OL who stymied our epic 2019 DL we still use as the gold standard and rendered the 70-sack Eagles DL useless? And when they didn't have that, Mahomes looked like a 5 year old boy playing hero ball in his backyard and lost big to an OL that didn't get Brady touched? Yeah. It matters in the end. Greatly.

You two can minimize it all you want and hope a 49er QB can magically transcend it. Let us know when that happens in the real world.

As to the original question, do you think we improved upon this annual playoff issue (no matter the QB)? If so, great. If not, state so. And if not, state why you think it will be overcome for #6.
if Mahomes had less drops that SB, you would be saying they had the best OL that year. Sack-less now.. what about all the pressures and other stuff you like to use when we render teams sack-less ?

2019, 2020 and 2022 Mahomes was the reason.. not OL
[ Edited by 49AllTheTime on Jun 23, 2023 at 5:00 PM ]
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
if Mahomes had less drops that SB, you would be saying they had the best OL that year. Sack-less now.. what about all the pressures and other stuff you like to use when we render teams sack-less ?

2019, 2020 and 2022 Mahomes was the reason.. not OL

Pat Mahomes ran for the game clinching first down.

Doesnt want to touch the AFC title game.

same ol same ol.

If KC o line is solid they can win it again. If their new LT is an awful failure like is a distinct possibility they won't be and they won't win. Elite QBs have that affect.

Brock not turtling and giving the game away against pressure shows what we've been arguing for years is factual. The QB makes the difference.
[ Edited by 9ers4eva on Jun 23, 2023 at 5:48 PM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
This is the 49ers issue (one of them, but a big one)...pressure and unit PP fails when it matters most (playoffs). A young Purdy did a solid job given the circumstances but you're not winning a Superbowl with line play like this.

Did we improve or will this be ground hog day in the playoffs again?

PS: I didn't even note the run blocking woes either but they usually go hand-in-hand.



https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/166289-evaluating-49ers-brock-purdys-performance-against-cowboys/

...the Cowboys brought the heat, pressuring the rookie quarterback on 48.5% of his dropbacks, which is a career-high.

You are correct....We are not winning if we lose all our QB's to right side blitzing safeties. Last year we had a tight end kill us without a RT looking out for the Eagles best pass rusher by calling time out or shading over to pick him up. Maybe a bad play call but horrible outcome. Still have PTSD on that one.
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