49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Sure. 9ers didn't have horrible o line play though. It's just not accurate.

Yes they did not play Horrible i was referring to Tampa Bays line. We however look like we may be getting worse on the right side of the line. We won't know, tell we know but it's a fear a lot of us have.

Originally posted by bassmanr:
Yes they did not play Horrible i was referring to Tampa Bays line. We however look like we may be getting worse on the right side of the line. We won't know, tell we know but it's a fear a lot of us have.

Same worry last year and yet for the season they were the 5th best pass blocking line. I'm not a McKivitz guy but the coaches have earned the benefit of the doubt.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
Yes they did not play Horrible i was referring to Tampa Bays line. We however look like we may be getting worse on the right side of the line. We won't know, tell we know but it's a fear a lot of us have.

Same worry last year and yet for the season they were the 5th best pass blocking line. I'm not a McKivitz guy but the coaches have earned the benefit of the doubt.

Until the playoffs again...of course. That's when pass protection, run blocking, QB play, the secondary and lack of close-out pass rush are highlighted.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Until the playoffs again...of course. That's when pass protection, run blocking, QB play, the secondary and lack of close-out pass rush are highlighted.

Which is true for every single team. Some just have the QB play to make up for their flaws. Some don't. Funny how we had it vs Dallas.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Until the playoffs again...of course. That's when pass protection, run blocking, QB play, the secondary and lack of close-out pass rush are highlighted.

Which is true for every single team. Some just have the QB play to make up for their flaws. Some don't. Funny how we had it vs Dallas.

Some teams invest heavily in their OL to help their QB play at the highest level and bury 70-sack DL.

Dallas? Bad example. 50% pressure rate WITH a quick pass offense. That's horrendous. The only difference there was the defense actually closed out that game and only gave up 12 points. Otherwise, it was a Jimmy Garoppolo-like 19 point game which you claim don't win you playoff games.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
Yes they did not play Horrible i was referring to Tampa Bays line. We however look like we may be getting worse on the right side of the line. We won't know, tell we know but it's a fear a lot of us have.

Same worry last year and yet for the season they were the 5th best pass blocking line. I'm not a McKivitz guy but the coaches have earned the benefit of the doubt.

Until the playoffs again...of course. That's when pass protection, run blocking, QB play, the secondary and lack of close-out pass rush are highlighted.

This unfortunately is what costs us number 6. If we don't get better it will be ground hog day as you said NC We have arguably one of the best rosters in football and the line is really the only weakness we have other than our depth in the secondary, which I actually feel better about than the right side of our O line.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Some teams invest heavily in their OL to help their QB play at the highest level and bury 70-sack DL.

Dallas? Bad example. 50% pressure rate WITH a quick pass offense. That's horrendous. The only difference there was the defense actually closed out that game and only gave up 12 points. Otherwise, it was a Jimmy Garoppolo-like 19 point game which you claim don't win you playoff games.

Must've missed the 4th quarter meltdown of Purdy.

Originally posted by bassmanr:
This unfortunately is what costs us number 6. If we don't get better it will be ground hog day as you said NC We have arguably one of the best rosters in football and the line is really the only weakness we have other than our depth in the secondary, which I actually feel better about than the right side of our O line.

What depth in the secondary? Rooks and late round picks everywhere.

Secondary has been a far bigger weakness the last couple years. O line has actually been a strength. Struggled some in the playoffs like all the other o lines have. But when KC o line struggles or gets their qb hurt it's ignored.

Secondary and Jimmy were bigger factors costing the 9ers 6.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
Yes they did not play Horrible i was referring to Tampa Bays line. We however look like we may be getting worse on the right side of the line. We won't know, tell we know but it's a fear a lot of us have.

Same worry last year and yet for the season they were the 5th best pass blocking line. I'm not a McKivitz guy but the coaches have earned the benefit of the doubt.

Until the playoffs again...of course. That's when pass protection, run blocking, QB play, the secondary and lack of close-out pass rush are highlighted.

This unfortunately is what costs us number 6. If we don't get better it will be ground hog day as you said NC We have arguably one of the best rosters in football and the line is really the only weakness we have other than our depth in the secondary, which I actually feel better about than the right side of our O line.

Truth. We have that ultra-quick athletic QB and he got hurt x2 now as well. Maybe we should stop expecting 49er QB's to transcend pressure???

Like fans wish we would have added another veteran high end pass rusher opposite Bosa, imagine what adding another high end RT to this young OL? Instead, we hope, again, that McKivitz is the answer. And yes...if he's not, it'll be groundhog day in the playoffs and fans will still blame the QB.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Truth. We have that ultra-quick athletic QB and he got hurt x2 now as well. Maybe we should stop expecting 49er QB's to transcend pressure???

Like fans wish we would have added another veteran high end pass rusher opposite Bosa, imagine what adding another high end RT to this young OL? Instead, we hope, again, that McKivitz is the answer. And yes...if he's not, it'll be groundhog day in the playoffs and fans will still blame the QB.

Or if Purdy isn't the answer fans will still expect the o line to transcend him.

Who's this high end RT they could acquire at pick 99?

Top 5 pass blocking O line means the team didn't expect them to transcend pressure.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
This unfortunately is what costs us number 6. If we don't get better it will be ground hog day as you said NC We have arguably one of the best rosters in football and the line is really the only weakness we have other than our depth in the secondary, which I actually feel better about than the right side of our O line.

What depth in the secondary? Rooks and late round picks everywhere.

Secondary has been a far bigger weakness the last couple years. O line has actually been a strength. Struggled some in the playoffs like all the other o lines have. But when KC o line struggles or gets their qb hurt it's ignored.

Secondary and Jimmy were bigger factors costing the 9ers 6.

They already have 2 of the best S's in the game, the #1 tandem, just added a 3rd play making S with their first pick, they have one of the best outside CB's in the game and Oliver is one of the best slot CB's in the game (the best according to Wilks).

Then you have a young hard-working above average Lenoir and Luter, who fits Wilks system very well to challenge him.

I'd say that's pretty darn good especially for this regime who typically focus far more on the front 7.

Oh, and they added a DC who's specialty is coverage.

Originally posted by NCommand:
They already have 2 of the best S's in the game, the #1 tandem, just added a 3rd play making S with their first pick, they have one of the best outside CB's in the game and Oliver is one of the best slot CB's in the game (the best according to Wilks).

Then you have a young hard-working above average Lenoir and Luter, who fits Wilks system very well to challenge him. I'd say that's pretty darn good especially for this regime who typically focus far more on the front 7.

Gipson the best safety in the game? Are you high?

Hes a stopgap we hope can give us another decent year. Best safeties in the league don't sign for pennies.

I like Oliver but best nickel in game still remains to be seen.

Again with the narratives. You so badly want to spin your o line myopia that you have to pretend starting a 5th rounder at corner with late round picks as depth in the secondary is perfectly acceptable but a 4th year 5th round tackle is this crazy weakness.

When had the secondary ever been rated top 5 Ever at anything?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Truth. We have that ultra-quick athletic QB and he got hurt x2 now as well. Maybe we should stop expecting 49er QB's to transcend pressure???

Like fans wish we would have added another veteran high end pass rusher opposite Bosa, imagine what adding another high end RT to this young OL? Instead, we hope, again, that McKivitz is the answer. And yes...if he's not, it'll be groundhog day in the playoffs and fans will still blame the QB.

Or if Purdy isn't the answer fans will still expect the o line to transcend him.

Who's this high end RT they could acquire at pick 99?

Top 5 pass blocking O line means the team didn't expect them to transcend pressure.

I believe NC and Co. had us pegged to be the worst OL last year.. so i wouldn't fall for the bait from these guys

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
I believe NC and Co. had us pegged to be the worst OL last year.. so i wouldn't fall for the bait from these guys

I'll give credit if Wilks turns this into a top secondary like Foerster did with the o line. Even if they struggle in the playoffs because, crazily enough, that's when they'll face the best teams. My guess is, like the o line, they still need to add talent to upgrade it. Maybe this year they'll actually add a high end talent to it but won't hold my breath.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Truth. We have that ultra-quick athletic QB and he got hurt x2 now as well. Maybe we should stop expecting 49er QB's to transcend pressure???

Like fans wish we would have added another veteran high end pass rusher opposite Bosa, imagine what adding another high end RT to this young OL? Instead, we hope, again, that McKivitz is the answer. And yes...if he's not, it'll be groundhog day in the playoffs and fans will still blame the QB.

Or if Purdy isn't the answer fans will still expect the o line to transcend him.

Who's this high end RT they could acquire at pick 99?

Top 5 pass blocking O line means the team didn't expect them to transcend pressure.

If Purdy isn't the answer, like Jimmy, all you can do is work with what you have and improve everywhere around him to still give yourself a shot of winning a Superbowl. And yes, keep looking!

I was fine going S at 99. I don't think there was a top flight RT there. One who could genuinely challenge a 5th round Colton McKivitz? Probably.

I would have gone the veteran route and genuinely had an open competition. You could have picked up Cameron Fleming and Isaiah Wynn for $3M total and Fleming had a better year than Mike McGlinchey did last year. McKivitz, Pryor and Fleming all battling it out. I'd also add a G to challenge Burford too since it was our right side that struggled the most. I love that they added Feliciano as that's a legit challenge to Brendel and will make him keep earning it.

Obviously it would have been great to add a real top flight RT but that's gonna cost you a ton. Should that have been a priority over adding Hargrave? That's up to your preference on team building and we're just not going to see that under this regime.

You build for the playoffs and against the strengths of the opposition (rivals) you're likely to face in the playoffs...not the regular season. Playoffs show who you really are.

Who would you have added to the secondary?