49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Truth. We have that ultra-quick athletic QB and he got hurt x2 now as well. Maybe we should stop expecting 49er QB's to transcend pressure???

Like fans wish we would have added another veteran high end pass rusher opposite Bosa, imagine what adding another high end RT to this young OL? Instead, we hope, again, that McKivitz is the answer. And yes...if he's not, it'll be groundhog day in the playoffs and fans will still blame the QB.

Or if Purdy isn't the answer fans will still expect the o line to transcend him.

Who's this high end RT they could acquire at pick 99?

Top 5 pass blocking O line means the team didn't expect them to transcend pressure.

I believe NC and Co. had us pegged to be the worst OL last year.. so i wouldn't fall for the bait from these guys

Completely false.

If Purdy isn't the answer we aren't winning a SB. You can't expect the entire roster to make up for the QB.

We have internal challenges for Burford.

I'd rather have Hargrave than Orlando Brown or whoever else you'd go get.

I would've added Kelee Ringo instead of taking Jake. That would've actually been a push to Lenoir.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
They already have 2 of the best S's in the game, the #1 tandem, just added a 3rd play making S with their first pick, they have one of the best outside CB's in the game and Oliver is one of the best slot CB's in the game (the best according to Wilks).

Then you have a young hard-working above average Lenoir and Luter, who fits Wilks system very well to challenge him. I'd say that's pretty darn good especially for this regime who typically focus far more on the front 7.

Gipson the best safety in the game? Are you high?

Hes a stopgap we hope can give us another decent year. Best safeties in the league don't sign for pennies.

I like Oliver but best nickel in game still remains to be seen.

Again with the narratives. You so badly want to spin your o line myopia that you have to pretend starting a 5th rounder at corner with late round picks as depth in the secondary is perfectly acceptable but a 4th year 5th round tackle is this crazy weakness.

When had the secondary ever been rated top 5 Ever at anything?

Gipson HAD one of the best years last year despite being a stop gap. And with his boy next to him, they were graded as one of the best tandems last year. You can't see that after watching Ward and Tartt back there with their historically bad secondaries in turnovers???

Either way, they invested in S with the top pick as well to add to that transition.

I agree with your secondary ranking point but the topic is now and they've finally done quite a bit this off season. It should be that this year esp. if the front 7 do their thing this year.

I'm sure you would have liked to add a top flight outside CB, right? Veteran or rookie?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
If Purdy isn't the answer we aren't winning a SB. You can't expect the entire roster to make up for the QB.

We have internal challenges for Burford.

I'd rather have Hargrave than Orlando Brown or whoever else you'd go get.

You can win a Superbowl with Brock as he just needed to be slightly better than Jimmy, right? And he appears to be on that trajectory assuming he can stay healthy.

Not really. Foerster had conversations with he and McKivitz and said the job is theirs...no need to look over your shoulder.

That would be a great topic. I'd rather have Brown given the D was still the #1 defense last year without Hargrave and certainly not a reason for losing. And KC's OL proved > Philly's DL. Our D even closed out Dallas.

The right side of the OL was and still is our biggest issue until proven otherwise in the playoffs (outside QB). But that's splitting hairs. I love Hargrave.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Gipson HAD one of the best years last year despite being a stop gap. And with his boy next to him, they were graded as one of the best tandems last year. You can't see that after watching Ward and Tartt back there with their historically bad secondaries in turnovers???

Either way, they invested in S with the top pick as well to add to that transition.

I agree with your secondary ranking point but the topic is now and they've finally done quite a bit this off season. It should be that this year esp. if the front 7 do their thing this year.

I'm sure you would have liked to add a top flight outside CB, right? Veteran or rookie?

Yet despite that he signed for 1.2 million dollars. What elite safety signs for that?

They did create more turnovers then the previous guys but they also gave up far more big plays. You love to talk about exploiting weaknesses, well both Gipson and Huff are weak with deep coverage. Isn't that a weakness that can be exploited in playoffs? It was exploited a ton last year. AJ Green td in week 18 was embarrassing deep coverage by Gipson because of how slow he is. Hopefully Brown instincts can make up for his speed or I expect a lot of big plays given up again in 2023.

What you see as quite a bit was signing a solid nickel corner, resigning a stop gap FS and drafting late round guys. No different than what the 9ers did on O line the last couple years.

Id like, at minimum, that their 2nd rounder next year be a corner if there's someone worthy of the spot. I know they won't draft a corner in 1st.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
I would've added Kelee Ringo instead of taking Jake. That would've actually been a push to Lenoir.

I love it. I don't know much about him but I know you have an eye for CB talent.

Originally posted by NCommand:
You can win a Superbowl with Brock as he just needed to be slightly better than Jimmy, right? And he appears to be on that trajectory assuming he can stay healthy.

Not really. Foerster had conversations with he and McKivitz and said the job is theirs...no need to look over your shoulder.

That would be a great topic. I'd rather have Brown given the D was still the #1 defense last year without Hargrave and certainly not a reason for losing. And KC's OL proved > Philly's DL. Our D even closed out Dallas.

The right side of the OL was and still is our biggest issue until proven otherwise in the playoffs (outside QB). But that's splitting hairs. I love Hargrave.

I don't care about one Super Bowl. That won't bring real joy. I want to build to compete for the next decade. No interest in being the Rams.

DTs are a dime a dozen. We know.

Game winning play of the SB was Mahomes scrambling. That OL almost got him lost for season vs Jax and hammered vs Cincy. But you continue to ignore that to fit a narrative.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Gipson HAD one of the best years last year despite being a stop gap. And with his boy next to him, they were graded as one of the best tandems last year. You can't see that after watching Ward and Tartt back there with their historically bad secondaries in turnovers???

Either way, they invested in S with the top pick as well to add to that transition.

I agree with your secondary ranking point but the topic is now and they've finally done quite a bit this off season. It should be that this year esp. if the front 7 do their thing this year.

I'm sure you would have liked to add a top flight outside CB, right? Veteran or rookie?

Yet despite that he signed for 1.2 million dollars. What elite safety signs for that?

They did create more turnovers then the previous guys but they also gave up far more big plays. You love to talk about exploiting weaknesses, well both Gipson and Huff are weak with deep coverage. Isn't that a weakness that can be exploited in playoffs? It was exploited a ton last year. AJ Green td in week 18 was embarrassing deep coverage by Gipson because of how slow he is. Hopefully Brown instincts can make up for his speed or I expect a lot of big plays given up again in 2023.

What you see as quite a bit was signing a solid nickel corner, resigning a stop gap FS and drafting late round guys. No different than what the 9ers did on O line the last couple years.

Id like, at minimum, that their 2nd rounder next year be a corner if there's someone worthy of the spot. I know they won't draft a corner in 1st.

I love your standards for the secondary. There is a lot of folks who believe in today's game, secondary > pass rush. I think we just saw that in the Superbowl last year.

Did Gipson and Huff's speed cost us in the playoffs? But yes, the hope is Brown develops quickly and is the long term answer there.

Right, which is big for our FO. But it's not going to win you a Superbowl until they start prioritizing team building around a passing league, IMHO.

I'm with you there and I'd love for them to add a 1st round CB too. 0 issues with that.

Imagine if Brown works out...Oliver, Huff and Ward. Imagine what adding another top flight CB to this unit would do! I want the same for the OL and then we're rolling.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You can win a Superbowl with Brock as he just needed to be slightly better than Jimmy, right? And he appears to be on that trajectory assuming he can stay healthy.

Not really. Foerster had conversations with he and McKivitz and said the job is theirs...no need to look over your shoulder.

That would be a great topic. I'd rather have Brown given the D was still the #1 defense last year without Hargrave and certainly not a reason for losing. And KC's OL proved > Philly's DL. Our D even closed out Dallas.

The right side of the OL was and still is our biggest issue until proven otherwise in the playoffs (outside QB). But that's splitting hairs. I love Hargrave.

I don't care about one Super Bowl. That won't bring real joy. I want to build to compete for the next decade. No interest in being the Rams.

DTs are a dime a dozen. We know.

Game winning play of the SB was Mahomes scrambling. That OL almost got him lost for season vs Jax and hammered vs Cincy. But you continue to ignore that to fit a narrative.

Agree. I'm assuming Kyle would just stick with his QB but yes, that's what I want too and I'd hope the FO would keep trying.

Haha. Mostly. But elite pass rushers aren't and that's what Hargrave is so that's a legit signing for sure.

If you rewatch the injury, he had room to step up and hit his first check down who was open. He chose to hold it and come off him and got hurt. I wouldn't put that on the PP.



No narrative. Mahomes is not a standard any other fan base should be using. But he's also played behind the best OL too after the previous OL failed him. And yes, even the best will have their moments. Also, part of PP is ensuring there are lanes to step up in and run if needed. And that was the case here too. Although PM not hesitating at all is what made that special IMHO.

One could make an argument Purdy could've moved up to when he got hit. Reality is the only difference between Purdy and Mahomes injuries were dumb luck. One was devastating and one was minor based on tiny differences in where they were hit.

Reality is this, if the 9ers o line is a top 12 type o line they have a chance to win the SB. Same with the secondary. I don't like our chances at all if Purdy is just the 14th or so best qb no matter if every other unit is top 5. We need a top 10 performer at worst, especially in playoffs.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
One could make an argument Purdy could've moved up to when he got hit. Reality is the only difference between Purdy and Mahomes injuries were dumb luck. One was devastating and one was minor based on tiny differences in where they were hit.

Reality is this, if the 9ers o line is a top 12 type o line they have a chance to win the SB. Same with the secondary. I don't like our chances at all if Purdy is just the 14th or so best qb no matter if every other unit is top 5. We need a top 10 performer at worst, especially in playoffs.

True. PM's ankle injury could have easily been a broken foot like JG.

Agreed on Purdy if he's playing at a 14 going into the playoffs. I'll stick with the QB + OL playing at the top through the playoffs. 1 or 2. You might get away with a 1 and 5 (of the playoff teams). Nothing else seems to matter as much (not even a historic pass rush). Secondary is hard to say since the Legion of Boom. But I'd love to have it.

I'm certainly not ruling out that combination for this team. Brock could be playing as one of the best QB's in the playoffs and it's possible for the OL. But like with secondary for you, it's hard to feel great about that as we stand today. But let's go. It's football.

Bengals were one play away from a SB win with a bottom 10 o line.

Chiefs weren't top 10 in 2019. Just werent.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You can win a Superbowl with Brock as he just needed to be slightly better than Jimmy, right? And he appears to be on that trajectory assuming he can stay healthy.

Not really. Foerster had conversations with he and McKivitz and said the job is theirs...no need to look over your shoulder.

That would be a great topic. I'd rather have Brown given the D was still the #1 defense last year without Hargrave and certainly not a reason for losing. And KC's OL proved > Philly's DL. Our D even closed out Dallas.

The right side of the OL was and still is our biggest issue until proven otherwise in the playoffs (outside QB). But that's splitting hairs. I love Hargrave.

I don't care about one Super Bowl. That won't bring real joy. I want to build to compete for the next decade. No interest in being the Rams.

DTs are a dime a dozen. We know.

Game winning play of the SB was Mahomes scrambling. That OL almost got him lost for season vs Jax and hammered vs Cincy. But you continue to ignore that to fit a narrative.

Agree. I'm assuming Kyle would just stick with his QB but yes, that's what I want too and I'd hope the FO would keep trying.

Haha. Mostly. But elite pass rushers aren't and that's what Hargrave is so that's a legit signing for sure.

If you rewatch the injury, he had room to step up and hit his first check down who was open. He chose to hold it and come off him and got hurt. I wouldn't put that on the PP.



No narrative. Mahomes is not a standard any other fan base should be using. But he's also played behind the best OL too after the previous OL failed him. And yes, even the best will have their moments. Also, part of PP is ensuring there are lanes to step up in and run if needed. And that was the case here too. Although PM not hesitating at all is what made that special IMHO.

Didn't Brock have the same opportunity to step up when he was injured by Reddick?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Bengals were one play away from a SB win with a bottom 10 o line.

Chiefs weren't top 10 in 2019. Just werent.

We're talking the best odds as proven already. But sure, it's still possible but it didn't happen. Like us either.

They certainly weren't to start that season! But come playoffs, I already showed you where they were ranked going into the playoffs.

Let's do that!