49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You can win a Superbowl with Brock as he just needed to be slightly better than Jimmy, right? And he appears to be on that trajectory assuming he can stay healthy.

Not really. Foerster had conversations with he and McKivitz and said the job is theirs...no need to look over your shoulder.

That would be a great topic. I'd rather have Brown given the D was still the #1 defense last year without Hargrave and certainly not a reason for losing. And KC's OL proved > Philly's DL. Our D even closed out Dallas.

The right side of the OL was and still is our biggest issue until proven otherwise in the playoffs (outside QB). But that's splitting hairs. I love Hargrave.

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I don't care about one Super Bowl. That won't bring real joy. I want to build to compete for the next decade. No interest in being the Rams.

DTs are a dime a dozen. We know.

Game winning play of the SB was Mahomes scrambling. That OL almost got him lost for season vs Jax and hammered vs Cincy. But you continue to ignore that to fit a narrative.

Agree. I'm assuming Kyle would just stick with his QB but yes, that's what I want too and I'd hope the FO would keep trying.

Haha. Mostly. But elite pass rushers aren't and that's what Hargrave is so that's a legit signing for sure.

If you rewatch the injury, he had room to step up and hit his first check down who was open. He chose to hold it and come off him and got hurt. I wouldn't put that on the PP.



No narrative. Mahomes is not a standard any other fan base should be using. But he's also played behind the best OL too after the previous OL failed him. And yes, even the best will have their moments. Also, part of PP is ensuring there are lanes to step up in and run if needed. And that was the case here too. Although PM not hesitating at all is what made that special IMHO.

Didn't Brock have the same opportunity to step up when he was injured by Reddick?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Truth. We have that ultra-quick athletic QB and he got hurt x2 now as well. Maybe we should stop expecting 49er QB's to transcend pressure???

Like fans wish we would have added another veteran high end pass rusher opposite Bosa, imagine what adding another high end RT to this young OL? Instead, we hope, again, that McKivitz is the answer. And yes...if he's not, it'll be groundhog day in the playoffs and fans will still blame the QB.

Or if Purdy isn't the answer fans will still expect the o line to transcend him.

Who's this high end RT they could acquire at pick 99?

Top 5 pass blocking O line means the team didn't expect them to transcend pressure.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
This unfortunately is what costs us number 6. If we don't get better it will be ground hog day as you said NC We have arguably one of the best rosters in football and the line is really the only weakness we have other than our depth in the secondary, which I actually feel better about than the right side of our O line.

What depth in the secondary? Rooks and late round picks everywhere.

Secondary has been a far bigger weakness the last couple years. O line has actually been a strength. Struggled some in the playoffs like all the other o lines have. But when KC o line struggles or gets their qb hurt it's ignored.

Secondary and Jimmy were bigger factors costing the 9ers 6.

Originally posted by bassmanr:
We can keep thinking that the O line is Ok when we go through QBs... Thank God we have 3 lol. Hope it works out like last year but if McKivitz is not as good as MM [ not that he was so good], we are not winning 6. I know we all want this to work out but I'm concerned 😟 😨.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nope. Dude right in front of him and HR around the edge.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nope. Dude right in front of him and HR around the edge.

Cox isn't right in front of him. He's pushed to the side. If he shuffles forward he can make the throw.

It's all splitting hairs though. Chiefs just happened to be more fortunate.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
We can keep thinking that the O line is Ok when we go through QBs... Thank God we have 3 lol. Hope it works out like last year but if McKivitz is not as good as MM [ not that he was so good], we are not winning 6. I know we all want this to work out but I'm concerned 😟 😨.

O line wasn't responsible for Lance or Purdy though. If Jimmy just takes the sack they aren't responsible for him either.

Other teams allowed more hits and had worse performing O lines and didn't have our qb injuries. Lot of it is chance. Hell the "best" o lines in nfl last year got both their QBs hurt.

Originally posted by bassmanr:
We can keep thinking that the O line is Ok when we go through QBs....

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nope. Dude right in front of him and HR around the edge.

Cox isn't right in front of him. He's pushed to the side. If he shuffles forward he can make the throw.

It's all splitting hairs though. Chiefs just happened to be more fortunate.

This.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nope. Dude right in front of him and HR around the edge.

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Cox isn't right in front of him. He's pushed to the side. If he shuffles forward he can make the throw.

It's all splitting hairs though. Chiefs just happened to be more fortunate.

This.

No chance. It was a play action and by the time he plants (long developing play), it's over. Plus to make it work, he needs to stay deep in that drop. I don't see any lane to realistically step up into or run through once his back foot is dropped. I think that's pretty unrealistic and unfair to ask.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nope. Dude right in front of him and HR around the edge.

Cox isn't right in front of him. He's pushed to the side. If he shuffles forward he can make the throw.

It's all splitting hairs though. Chiefs just happened to be more fortunate.

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This.

No chance. It was a play action and by the time he plants (long developing play), it's over. Plus to make it work, he needs to stay deep in that drop. I don't see any lane to realistically step up into or run through once his back foot is dropped. I think that's pretty unrealistic and unfair to ask.

There is a chance, but that ball should have been thrown sooner. BP since the raider game, started taking longer/hesitating on his reads. I mentioned after that raider game, if he continues to do that, he will get hurt as he nearly had the same thing that happened in philly happened in LV.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nope. Dude right in front of him and HR around the edge.

Cox isn't right in front of him. He's pushed to the side. If he shuffles forward he can make the throw.

It's all splitting hairs though. Chiefs just happened to be more fortunate.

This.

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No chance. It was a play action and by the time he plants (long developing play), it's over. Plus to make it work, he needs to stay deep in that drop. I don't see any lane to realistically step up into or run through once his back foot is dropped. I think that's pretty unrealistic and unfair to ask.

There is a chance, but that ball should have been thrown sooner. BP since the raider game, started taking longer/hesitating on his reads. I mentioned after that raider game, if he continues to do that, he will get hurt as he nearly had the same thing that happened in philly happened in LV.

Ok good point...We did not replace the right tackle which is why I'm concerned. I admit the QB can help by a quicker release however we will have to see if Brock can adapt. We have the QB threads so don't want discuss too much about that however that is one area I thought Jimmy excelled. If it is a problem for Brock then we still should have addressed the line. Brock looked over his reads which is how the great ones excel. Let's hope it works.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nope. Dude right in front of him and HR around the edge.

Cox isn't right in front of him. He's pushed to the side. If he shuffles forward he can make the throw.

It's all splitting hairs though. Chiefs just happened to be more fortunate.

This.

No chance. It was a play action and by the time he plants (long developing play), it's over. Plus to make it work, he needs to stay deep in that drop. I don't see any lane to realistically step up into or run through once his back foot is dropped. I think that's pretty unrealistic and unfair to ask.

+ Show all quotes There is a chance, but that ball should have been thrown sooner. BP since the raider game, started taking longer/hesitating on his reads. I mentioned after that raider game, if he continues to do that, he will get hurt as he nearly had the same thing that happened in philly happened in LV.

Ok good point...We did not replace the right tackle which is why I'm concerned. I admit the QB can help by a quicker release however we will have to see if Brock can adapt. We have the QB threads so don't want discuss too much about that however that is one area I thought Jimmy excelled. If it is a problem for Brock then we still should have addressed the line. Brock looked over his reads which is how the great ones excel. Let's hope it works.

we did replace RT though, so arrow up

Originally posted by bassmanr:
If your thinking McKivitz, that is the unknown and was not that good last year. MM was not even that great but at least he was serviceable. We shall see, hopefully we are OK but if not and line is in digression, it will cost us in a quest for 6.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
If your thinking McKivitz, that is the unknown and was not that good last year. MM was not even that great but at least he was serviceable. We shall see, hopefully we are OK but if not and line is in digression, it will cost us in a quest for 6.

Lenoir is still an unknown too. The whole secondary could digress. As could the kicking game. As could the pass rush.

Unknown isn't always a negative. Had someone told you last year at this time Brock Purdy would start the last 5 regular season games you would've expected zero wins. The unknown is the unknown.