49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
If your thinking McKivitz, that is the unknown and was not that good last year. MM was not even that great but at least he was serviceable. We shall see, hopefully we are OK but if not and line is in digression, it will cost us in a quest for 6.

Lenoir is still an unknown too. The whole secondary could digress. As could the kicking game. As could the pass rush.

Unknown isn't always a negative. Had someone told you last year at this time Brock Purdy would start the last 5 regular season games you would've expected zero wins. The unknown is the unknown.

Yes true... however the O line is more of a concern. The old cliche *the game is won in the trenches* is so true. We are great on paper for the D line and from last years outstanding performance which helps the secondary, The O line not so much, which helps the skill players we have. That's why we shall see.

so you're more concerned now, than last year when we had first time starters at RG C LG ?

Yes we have an untested right tackle and the guard was OK. Yes I am on the right side as I mentioned earlier. Left side is good and the center looked above average as well.

not sure how 1 guy is more than 3

I did not have faith last year either so had the same fear as last year with MM. Don't know what your point is. Oh well lol.

i'm saying don't worry about it. we ended up being a top 5 OL with 3 unknowns last year. now, it just a one unknown.

Mick did do well when Big Trent was out a few games

We were a top 5 O line, I admit I did not know that. I hope we are at least in the top 15 this year number 6 depends on it.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
If your thinking McKivitz, that is the unknown and was not that good last year. MM was not even that great but at least he was serviceable. We shall see, hopefully we are OK but if not and line is in digression, it will cost us in a quest for 6.

Lenoir is still an unknown too. The whole secondary could digress. As could the kicking game. As could the pass rush.

Unknown isn't always a negative. Had someone told you last year at this time Brock Purdy would start the last 5 regular season games you would've expected zero wins. The unknown is the unknown.

Yes true... however the O line is more of a concern. The old cliche *the game is won in the trenches* is so true. We are great on paper for the D line and from last years outstanding performance which helps the secondary, The O line not so much, which helps the skill players we have. That's why we shall see.

so you're more concerned now, than last year when we had first time starters at RG C LG ?

Yes we have an untested right tackle and the guard was OK. Yes I am on the right side as I mentioned earlier. Left side is good and the center looked above average as well.

not sure how 1 guy is more than 3

I did not have faith last year either so had the same fear as last year with MM. Don't know what your point is. Oh well lol.

i'm saying don't worry about it. we ended up being a top 5 OL with 3 unknowns last year. now, it just a one unknown.

Mick did do well when Big Trent was out a few games

Top 5?

This was last year. Only 1 49er (Trent Williams) on the list of best OL and 1 ex-49er (Trent Brown).

https://trenchwarfare.substack.com/p/ranking-the-top-15-players-at-each-7eb

It'll be cool to see if any of the interior 49ers make the list this year!

The only one was Trent Williams and also who we let go (Laken Tomlinson and Trent Brown). I don't know how we fair this year but hopefully someone who can step up. Thanks NC back to concerned 😀

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Even more amazing , within the last 2 yrs, Reid completely rebuilt his OL and this is what they ended up with. Odd how with very little in the line of draft picks, let alone no high picks, Reid was able to rebuild from essentially scratch. So , it CAN be done…but UDFAs, trades and other means have to be part of it.

Well they lost both tackles this year and replaced their best guy with a guy who struggled mightily at RT. Their other vet signing was one of the worst tackles in the league in 22.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
i'm saying don't worry about it. we ended up being a top 5 OL with 3 unknowns last year. now, it just a one unknown.

Mick did do well when Big Trent was out a few games

Where are you getting that the 49er had a top 5 OL last year ? The OL was better then I thought they would be going into the year, but I do not thing they where ranked top 5. Plus OL ranking are a combination of run blocking and pass blocking. The 49er are a better run blocking team then they are a pass blocking team.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Even more amazing , within the last 2 yrs, Reid completely rebuilt his OL and this is what they ended up with. Odd how with very little in the line of draft picks, let alone no high picks, Reid was able to rebuild from essentially scratch. So , it CAN be done…but UDFAs, trades and other means have to be part of it.

Well they lost both tackles this year and replaced their best guy with a guy who struggled mightily at RT. Their other vet signing was one of the worst tackles in the league in 22.

The cycle will continue no doubt, in my mind. IMHO, of course.

When Mahomes has his top OL come the playoffs, he'll win a Superbowl. When he doesn't, he won't get there or he'll lose.

Simple as that.

And that's for the best in the business at the highest of standards. That's not us.

Most likely this will be an off year for Mahomes again given the changes to his top OL unit, unless they found the right combination; they are pretty good at identifying, finding, developing, and buying OL talent.

But they certainly will not be ranked as a top 5 unit by Brandon Thorn to start the season again. That's for sure. Maybe come playoff time but that's unlikely given the talent drop off at T alone.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
If your thinking McKivitz, that is the unknown and was not that good last year. MM was not even that great but at least he was serviceable. We shall see, hopefully we are OK but if not and line is in digression, it will cost us in a quest for 6.

Lenoir is still an unknown too. The whole secondary could digress. As could the kicking game. As could the pass rush.

Unknown isn't always a negative. Had someone told you last year at this time Brock Purdy would start the last 5 regular season games you would've expected zero wins. The unknown is the unknown.

Yes true... however the O line is more of a concern. The old cliche *the game is won in the trenches* is so true. We are great on paper for the D line and from last years outstanding performance which helps the secondary, The O line not so much, which helps the skill players we have. That's why we shall see.

so you're more concerned now, than last year when we had first time starters at RG C LG ?

Yes we have an untested right tackle and the guard was OK. Yes I am on the right side as I mentioned earlier. Left side is good and the center looked above average as well.

not sure how 1 guy is more than 3

I did not have faith last year either so had the same fear as last year with MM. Don't know what your point is. Oh well lol.

i'm saying don't worry about it. we ended up being a top 5 OL with 3 unknowns last year. now, it just a one unknown.

Mick did do well when Big Trent was out a few games

Top 5?

This was last year. Only 1 49er (Trent Williams) on the list of best OL and 1 ex-49er (Trent Brown).

https://trenchwarfare.substack.com/p/ranking-the-top-15-players-at-each-7eb

It'll be cool to see if any of the interior 49ers make the list this year!

The only one was Trent Williams and also who we let go (Laken Tomlinson and Trent Brown). I don't know how we fair this year but hopefully someone who can step up. Thanks NC back to concerned 😀

Yeah, last year was a great baseline year for sure. The playoffs exposed they still have a ways to go if they want to win a Championship but it was a really good first year to build off of. They have a legit chance to take the next step forward.

The only question is if they have the actual talent in place and extra focus on unit pass protection (RB's, TE's, FB).

It's certainly possible. The regular season will give us a glimpse into that and the playoffs will spotlight it like it does for all your strengths and weaknesses.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
If your thinking McKivitz, that is the unknown and was not that good last year. MM was not even that great but at least he was serviceable. We shall see, hopefully we are OK but if not and line is in digression, it will cost us in a quest for 6.

Lenoir is still an unknown too. The whole secondary could digress. As could the kicking game. As could the pass rush.

Unknown isn't always a negative. Had someone told you last year at this time Brock Purdy would start the last 5 regular season games you would've expected zero wins. The unknown is the unknown.

Yes true... however the O line is more of a concern. The old cliche *the game is won in the trenches* is so true. We are great on paper for the D line and from last years outstanding performance which helps the secondary, The O line not so much, which helps the skill players we have. That's why we shall see.

so you're more concerned now, than last year when we had first time starters at RG C LG ?

Yes we have an untested right tackle and the guard was OK. Yes I am on the right side as I mentioned earlier. Left side is good and the center looked above average as well.

not sure how 1 guy is more than 3

I did not have faith last year either so had the same fear as last year with MM. Don't know what your point is. Oh well lol.

i'm saying don't worry about it. we ended up being a top 5 OL with 3 unknowns last year. now, it just a one unknown.

Mick did do well when Big Trent was out a few games

Top 5?

This was last year. Only 1 49er (Trent Williams) on the list of best OL and 1 ex-49er (Trent Brown).

https://trenchwarfare.substack.com/p/ranking-the-top-15-players-at-each-7eb

It'll be cool to see if any of the interior 49ers make the list this year!

The only one was Trent Williams and also who we let go (Laken Tomlinson and Trent Brown). I don't know how we fair this year but hopefully someone who can step up. Thanks NC back to concerned 😀

Yeah, last year was a great baseline year for sure. The playoffs exposed they still have a ways to go if they want to win a Championship but it was a really good first year to build off of. They have a legit chance to take the next step forward.

The only question is if they have the actual talent in place and extra focus on unit pass protection (RB's, TE's, FB).

It's certainly possible. The regular season will give us a glimpse into that and the playoffs will spotlight it like it does for all your strengths and weaknesses.

Yes I also was thinking if we can get better blocking schemes with help from as you said FB RBs and TE we can make up for O line short comings. That would at least let plays develope and Brock / Trey have more options. I actually think our defense will be better. It's Philly's D line that could derail number 6.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
If your thinking McKivitz, that is the unknown and was not that good last year. MM was not even that great but at least he was serviceable. We shall see, hopefully we are OK but if not and line is in digression, it will cost us in a quest for 6.

Lenoir is still an unknown too. The whole secondary could digress. As could the kicking game. As could the pass rush.

Unknown isn't always a negative. Had someone told you last year at this time Brock Purdy would start the last 5 regular season games you would've expected zero wins. The unknown is the unknown.

Yes true... however the O line is more of a concern. The old cliche *the game is won in the trenches* is so true. We are great on paper for the D line and from last years outstanding performance which helps the secondary, The O line not so much, which helps the skill players we have. That's why we shall see.

so you're more concerned now, than last year when we had first time starters at RG C LG ?

Yes we have an untested right tackle and the guard was OK. Yes I am on the right side as I mentioned earlier. Left side is good and the center looked above average as well.

not sure how 1 guy is more than 3

I did not have faith last year either so had the same fear as last year with MM. Don't know what your point is. Oh well lol.

i'm saying don't worry about it. we ended up being a top 5 OL with 3 unknowns last year. now, it just a one unknown.

Mick did do well when Big Trent was out a few games

Top 5?

This was last year. Only 1 49er (Trent Williams) on the list of best OL and 1 ex-49er (Trent Brown).

https://trenchwarfare.substack.com/p/ranking-the-top-15-players-at-each-7eb

It'll be cool to see if any of the interior 49ers make the list this year!

The only one was Trent Williams and also who we let go (Laken Tomlinson and Trent Brown). I don't know how we fair this year but hopefully someone who can step up. Thanks NC back to concerned 😀

Yeah, last year was a great baseline year for sure. The playoffs exposed they still have a ways to go if they want to win a Championship but it was a really good first year to build off of. They have a legit chance to take the next step forward.

The only question is if they have the actual talent in place and extra focus on unit pass protection (RB's, TE's, FB).

It's certainly possible. The regular season will give us a glimpse into that and the playoffs will spotlight it like it does for all your strengths and weaknesses.

Yes I also was thinking if we can get better blocking schemes with help from as you said FB RBs and TE we can make up for O line short comings. That would at least let plays develope and Brock / Trey have more options. I actually think our defense will be better. It's Philly's D line that could derail number 6.

For sure. The 2 teams that have the pass rushers and don't care about (or hesitate with) play action that can really hurt us in the NFC is Dallas and Philly. Their pass rushers preferred it as it gave them more time to get home.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
If your thinking McKivitz, that is the unknown and was not that good last year. MM was not even that great but at least he was serviceable. We shall see, hopefully we are OK but if not and line is in digression, it will cost us in a quest for 6.

Lenoir is still an unknown too. The whole secondary could digress. As could the kicking game. As could the pass rush.

Unknown isn't always a negative. Had someone told you last year at this time Brock Purdy would start the last 5 regular season games you would've expected zero wins. The unknown is the unknown.

Yes true... however the O line is more of a concern. The old cliche *the game is won in the trenches* is so true. We are great on paper for the D line and from last years outstanding performance which helps the secondary, The O line not so much, which helps the skill players we have. That's why we shall see.

so you're more concerned now, than last year when we had first time starters at RG C LG ?

Yes we have an untested right tackle and the guard was OK. Yes I am on the right side as I mentioned earlier. Left side is good and the center looked above average as well.

not sure how 1 guy is more than 3

I did not have faith last year either so had the same fear as last year with MM. Don't know what your point is. Oh well lol.

i'm saying don't worry about it. we ended up being a top 5 OL with 3 unknowns last year. now, it just a one unknown.

Mick did do well when Big Trent was out a few games

Top 5?

This was last year. Only 1 49er (Trent Williams) on the list of best OL and 1 ex-49er (Trent Brown).

https://trenchwarfare.substack.com/p/ranking-the-top-15-players-at-each-7eb

It'll be cool to see if any of the interior 49ers make the list this year!

The only one was Trent Williams and also who we let go (Laken Tomlinson and Trent Brown). I don't know how we fair this year but hopefully someone who can step up. Thanks NC back to concerned 😀

Yeah, last year was a great baseline year for sure. The playoffs exposed they still have a ways to go if they want to win a Championship but it was a really good first year to build off of. They have a legit chance to take the next step forward.

The only question is if they have the actual talent in place and extra focus on unit pass protection (RB's, TE's, FB).

It's certainly possible. The regular season will give us a glimpse into that and the playoffs will spotlight it like it does for all your strengths and weaknesses.

Yes I also was thinking if we can get better blocking schemes with help from as you said FB RBs and TE we can make up for O line short comings. That would at least let plays develope and Brock / Trey have more options. I actually think our defense will be better. It's Philly's D line that could derail number 6.

For sure. The 2 teams that have the pass rushers and don't care about (or hesitate with) play action that can really hurt us in the NFCW is Dallas and Philly. Their pass rushers preferred it as it gave them more time to get home.

I'm glad you understand that too... it's why I'm concerned and until proven otherwise it'll cost us again.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
If your thinking McKivitz, that is the unknown and was not that good last year. MM was not even that great but at least he was serviceable. We shall see, hopefully we are OK but if not and line is in digression, it will cost us in a quest for 6.

Lenoir is still an unknown too. The whole secondary could digress. As could the kicking game. As could the pass rush.

Unknown isn't always a negative. Had someone told you last year at this time Brock Purdy would start the last 5 regular season games you would've expected zero wins. The unknown is the unknown.

Yes true... however the O line is more of a concern. The old cliche *the game is won in the trenches* is so true. We are great on paper for the D line and from last years outstanding performance which helps the secondary, The O line not so much, which helps the skill players we have. That's why we shall see.

so you're more concerned now, than last year when we had first time starters at RG C LG ?

Yes we have an untested right tackle and the guard was OK. Yes I am on the right side as I mentioned earlier. Left side is good and the center looked above average as well.

not sure how 1 guy is more than 3

I did not have faith last year either so had the same fear as last year with MM. Don't know what your point is. Oh well lol.

i'm saying don't worry about it. we ended up being a top 5 OL with 3 unknowns last year. now, it just a one unknown.

Mick did do well when Big Trent was out a few games

Top 5?

This was last year. Only 1 49er (Trent Williams) on the list of best OL and 1 ex-49er (Trent Brown).

https://trenchwarfare.substack.com/p/ranking-the-top-15-players-at-each-7eb

It'll be cool to see if any of the interior 49ers make the list this year!

The only one was Trent Williams and also who we let go (Laken Tomlinson and Trent Brown). I don't know how we fair this year but hopefully someone who can step up. Thanks NC back to concerned 😀

Yeah, last year was a great baseline year for sure. The playoffs exposed they still have a ways to go if they want to win a Championship but it was a really good first year to build off of. They have a legit chance to take the next step forward.

The only question is if they have the actual talent in place and extra focus on unit pass protection (RB's, TE's, FB).

It's certainly possible. The regular season will give us a glimpse into that and the playoffs will spotlight it like it does for all your strengths and weaknesses.

Yes I also was thinking if we can get better blocking schemes with help from as you said FB RBs and TE we can make up for O line short comings. That would at least let plays develope and Brock / Trey have more options. I actually think our defense will be better. It's Philly's D line that could derail number 6.

For sure. The 2 teams that have the pass rushers and don't care about (or hesitate with) play action that can really hurt us in the NFCW is Dallas and Philly. Their pass rushers preferred it as it gave them more time to get home.

I'm glad you understand that too... it's why I'm concerned and until proven otherwise it'll cost us again.

7th time is a charm!

Good article on our OLine.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2023/7/5/23780205/49ers-offensive-line-weakness

Made me feel a lot better.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Good article on our OLine.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2023/7/5/23780205/49ers-offensive-line-weakness

Made me feel a lot better.

Haha. Now we know who 9ers4eva is (Nicholas McGee).

Yea that's a pretty crappy homer article on the oline.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Yea that's a pretty crappy homer article on the oline.

Also, recognizing it's the weakest unit on a stacked team doesn't mean you're saying the unit sucks either.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Yea that's a pretty crappy homer article on the oline.

Also, recognizing it's the weakest unit on a stacked team doesn't mean you're saying the unit sucks either.

Weakest unit is QB. I think the OL is very strong, unless Trent falls off the proverbial cliff. If he's good, we are good.