49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:
The OL will get a great test right out of the gate against a pass rushing top defense in Pittsburgh. It'll be the first true test. 🙏

Would you start Brock?

The OL is strong, probably one of the better units in the game, provided Trent doesn't fall of the cliff with skill regression. You start the best healthy available QB, without fear of the opponent. I would love to see you NC, as a NYJ fan, in the NYJ forums. They are going all in for a SB, with Becton, who is the Kinlaw of OL, and a turning 38 year old Duane Brown. Give me your thoughts there, compared to SF. They have a 40 year old QB and no tackles.

NYJ's aren't doing squat. He'll turn into Stafford (LA).

Pittsburgh is going to target McKivitz. As they should. And the A gaps. I'm actually excited to see how they do!

Yes after the steelers game we shall know if the O line can hold up against top Defensive lines. My fear is Watt may take out a QB.

Yes if I was any team to beat the niners stack your best rushers on the right or blitz the right side..

Anyone who thinks this line is great needs to re watch the Cowboy's playoff game. That's was really the only time we went up against a great D line. Other than my foggy memory of Philly lol.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:
The OL will get a great test right out of the gate against a pass rushing top defense in Pittsburgh. It'll be the first true test. 🙏

Would you start Brock?

The OL is strong, probably one of the better units in the game, provided Trent doesn't fall of the cliff with skill regression. You start the best healthy available QB, without fear of the opponent. I would love to see you NC, as a NYJ fan, in the NYJ forums. They are going all in for a SB, with Becton, who is the Kinlaw of OL, and a turning 38 year old Duane Brown. Give me your thoughts there, compared to SF. They have a 40 year old QB and no tackles.

NYJ's aren't doing squat. He'll turn into Stafford (LA).

Pittsburgh is going to target McKivitz. As they should. And the A gaps. I'm actually excited to see how they do!

Yes after the steelers game we shall know if the O line can hold up against top Defensive lines. My fear is Watt may take out a QB.

Yes if I was any team to beat the niners stack your best rushers on the right or blitz the right side..

Anyone who thinks this line is great needs to re watch the Cowboy's playoff game. That's was really the only time we went up against a great D line. Other than my foggy memory of Philly lol.

Philly dominated too but it wasn't quite a fair shake but TBF, they were a pressure rush team whether we had a QB with a throwing arm or not.

Watt vs. McKivitz was why I asked if folks felt comfortable starting Brock coming off a serious injury.

Originally posted by NCommand:
NYJ's aren't doing squat. He'll turn into Stafford (LA).

So you're saying he'll win a ring the 1st year on his new team?

Originally posted by NCommand:
2nd or 3rd would be very fair. But that combo of top OL + QB clearly is the winner. Better than QB + Secondary thus far.

Had the 9ers had better than an undrafted rookie back there in the SB to blow the 3rd and 15 coverage it's a different conversation.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:
The OL will get a great test right out of the gate against a pass rushing top defense in Pittsburgh. It'll be the first true test. 🙏

Would you start Brock?

The OL is strong, probably one of the better units in the game, provided Trent doesn't fall of the cliff with skill regression. You start the best healthy available QB, without fear of the opponent. I would love to see you NC, as a NYJ fan, in the NYJ forums. They are going all in for a SB, with Becton, who is the Kinlaw of OL, and a turning 38 year old Duane Brown. Give me your thoughts there, compared to SF. They have a 40 year old QB and no tackles.

NYJ's aren't doing squat. He'll turn into Stafford (LA).

Pittsburgh is going to target McKivitz. As they should. And the A gaps. I'm actually excited to see how they do!

Yes after the steelers game we shall know if the O line can hold up against top Defensive lines. My fear is Watt may take out a QB.

Yes if I was any team to beat the niners stack your best rushers on the right or blitz the right side..

Anyone who thinks this line is great needs to re watch the Cowboy's playoff game. That's was really the only time we went up against a great D line. Other than my foggy memory of Philly lol.

Philly dominated too but it wasn't quite a fair shake but TBF, they were a pressure rush team whether we had a QB with a throwing arm or not.

Watt vs. McKivitz was why I asked if folks felt comfortable starting Brock coming off a serious injury.

I don't know enough about UCL injuries to understand what can cause a re injury. if getting thrown to the Turf again and again, I would rather wait for Brock to fully heal. Pittsburgh will probably kill us up front so that should be a huge concern. I hope we know more during camp and I'm sure this will come up.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
2nd or 3rd would be very fair. But that combo of top OL + QB clearly is the winner. Better than QB + Secondary thus far.

Had the 9ers had better than an undrafted rookie back there in the SB to blow the 3rd and 15 coverage it's a different conversation.

True! That wasn't a TD though. But to your overall point, the defense completely caved from that point on across the board and the secondary was certainly a part of that 21-point collapse.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:
The OL will get a great test right out of the gate against a pass rushing top defense in Pittsburgh. It'll be the first true test. 🙏

Would you start Brock?

The OL is strong, probably one of the better units in the game, provided Trent doesn't fall of the cliff with skill regression. You start the best healthy available QB, without fear of the opponent. I would love to see you NC, as a NYJ fan, in the NYJ forums. They are going all in for a SB, with Becton, who is the Kinlaw of OL, and a turning 38 year old Duane Brown. Give me your thoughts there, compared to SF. They have a 40 year old QB and no tackles.

NYJ's aren't doing squat. He'll turn into Stafford (LA).

Pittsburgh is going to target McKivitz. As they should. And the A gaps. I'm actually excited to see how they do!

Yes after the steelers game we shall know if the O line can hold up against top Defensive lines. My fear is Watt may take out a QB.

Yes if I was any team to beat the niners stack your best rushers on the right or blitz the right side..

Anyone who thinks this line is great needs to re watch the Cowboy's playoff game. That's was really the only time we went up against a great D line. Other than my foggy memory of Philly lol.

Philly dominated too but it wasn't quite a fair shake but TBF, they were a pressure rush team whether we had a QB with a throwing arm or not.

Watt vs. McKivitz was why I asked if folks felt comfortable starting Brock coming off a serious injury.

I don't know enough about UCL injuries to understand what can cause a re injury. if getting thrown to the Turf again and again, I would rather wait for Brock to fully heal. Pittsburgh will probably kill us up front so that should be a huge concern. I hope we know more during camp and I'm sure this will come up.

I would imagine Kyle would want to call a game similar to that Dallas game where he knows his QB will be pressured at 50%. So a bunch of short quick passes at, behind and just past the LOS, motions, fly sweeps, quick screens, etc. You watched the Dallas game...not a lot of opportunities for an exotic passing game. LOL

If Brock is healthy, he can do that.

But for those longer PA's (esp. naked) that's where he'll take his shots; physically too.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:
The OL will get a great test right out of the gate against a pass rushing top defense in Pittsburgh. It'll be the first true test. 🙏

Would you start Brock?

The OL is strong, probably one of the better units in the game, provided Trent doesn't fall of the cliff with skill regression. You start the best healthy available QB, without fear of the opponent. I would love to see you NC, as a NYJ fan, in the NYJ forums. They are going all in for a SB, with Becton, who is the Kinlaw of OL, and a turning 38 year old Duane Brown. Give me your thoughts there, compared to SF. They have a 40 year old QB and no tackles.

NYJ's aren't doing squat. He'll turn into Stafford (LA).

Pittsburgh is going to target McKivitz. As they should. And the A gaps. I'm actually excited to see how they do!

Yes after the steelers game we shall know if the O line can hold up against top Defensive lines. My fear is Watt may take out a QB.

Yes if I was any team to beat the niners stack your best rushers on the right or blitz the right side..

Anyone who thinks this line is great needs to re watch the Cowboy's playoff game. That's was really the only time we went up against a great D line. Other than my foggy memory of Philly lol.

Philly dominated too but it wasn't quite a fair shake but TBF, they were a pressure rush team whether we had a QB with a throwing arm or not.

Watt vs. McKivitz was why I asked if folks felt comfortable starting Brock coming off a serious injury.

I don't know enough about UCL injuries to understand what can cause a re injury. if getting thrown to the Turf again and again, I would rather wait for Brock to fully heal. Pittsburgh will probably kill us up front so that should be a huge concern. I hope we know more during camp and I'm sure this will come up.

I would imagine Kyle would want to call a game similar to that Dallas game where he knows his QB will be pressured at 50%. So a bunch of short quick passes at, behind and just past the LOS, motions, fly sweeps, quick screens, etc. You watched the Dallas game...not a lot of opportunities for an exotic passing game. LOL

If Brock is healthy, he can do that.

But for those longer PA's (esp. naked) that's where he'll take his shots; physically too.

Yes agreed....I just hope even those LOS and quick slants don't have Purdy getting racked. I probably would hold Brock out of the Blizburg game if he's not 100% healthy.

The 49er have severely neglected the OT and CB in the draft and it shows. Who or when was the last time the 49er draft a OL with the intention to play him at Tackle ?? I think it was MM. Yes McKivitz and Moore where both draft however they where draft to play Guard not Tackle. When was the last time they draft a Center??? It would have been nice if they used some of the second and third round picks they've used on RB and WR on a Tackle, Center or CB. The 49er have draft Banks , Burford, McKivitz, Moore and Zakelj all to play Guard. I don't want to shock anyone but the 2 that where drafted the highest are the best Guard they have playing. Trent William has been injured every year he has been with the 49er. Who is going to play left tackle while he is injured ? Next year he is 36 and making 28Mil. What are the plans if he retires or they do not think a 36 Trent who plays 14 of 17 games is worth 28 Mil and they need $$$ for Bosa ? It's like the OL and CB are an afterthought. We need a QB this shiny WR and RB. DL yesssssssssss grab that Safety, Championship !!!! O s**t what about the OL and CB, no Biggy we can scheme around them we'll be fine.

Originally posted by bassmanr:
Yes agreed....I just hope even those LOS and quick slants don't have Purdy getting racked. I probably would hold Brock out of the Blizburg game if he's not 100% healthy.

You sound too nervous to even enjoy the game. You sure you wanna watch this one?

Originally posted by dlance:
The 49er have severely neglected the OT and CB in the draft and it shows. Who or when was the last time the 49er draft a OL with the intention to play him at Tackle ?? I think it was MM. Yes McKivitz and Moore where both draft however they where draft to play Guard not Tackle. When was the last time they draft a Center??? It would have been nice if they used some of the second and third round picks they've used on RB and WR on a Tackle, Center or CB. The 49er have draft Banks , Burford, McKivitz, Moore and Zakelj all to play Guard. I don't want to shock anyone but the 2 that where drafted the highest are the best Guard they have playing. Trent William has been injured every year he has been with the 49er. Who is going to play left tackle while he is injured ? Next year he is 36 and making 28Mil. What are the plans if he retires or they do not think a 36 Trent who plays 14 of 17 games is worth 28 Mil and they need $$$ for Bosa ? It's like the OL and CB are an afterthought.

The 2 coordinators that have had afterthoughts for CB have ascended to new jobs.

A coordinator that had no OL help is now a HC in Miami.

So these people that dont know what they are doing commandeer 13% of the HC positions since they took over here.

You sound more like an upset fan than someone who is in-tune with how the job being done here is really regarded.

I mean, anger doesn't equate to knowing what's going on.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by dlance:
The 49er have severely neglected the OT and CB in the draft and it shows. Who or when was the last time the 49er draft a OL with the intention to play him at Tackle ?? I think it was MM. Yes McKivitz and Moore where both draft however they where draft to play Guard not Tackle. When was the last time they draft a Center??? It would have been nice if they used some of the second and third round picks they've used on RB and WR on a Tackle, Center or CB. The 49er have draft Banks , Burford, McKivitz, Moore and Zakelj all to play Guard. I don't want to shock anyone but the 2 that where drafted the highest are the best Guard they have playing. Trent William has been injured every year he has been with the 49er. Who is going to play left tackle while he is injured ? Next year he is 36 and making 28Mil. What are the plans if he retires or they do not think a 36 Trent who plays 14 of 17 games is worth 28 Mil and they need $$$ for Bosa ? It's like the OL and CB are an afterthought.

The 2 coordinators that have had afterthoughts for CB have ascended to new jobs.

A coordinator that had no OL help is now a HC in Miami.

So these people that dont know what they are doing commandeer 13% of the HC positions since they took over here.

You sound more like an upset fan than someone who is in-tune with how the job being done here is really regarded.

I mean, anger doesn't equate to knowing what's going on.

I'm trying to decipher what coordinators getting had coaching jobs have to do with the original post. he didn't even mention coordinators in his original post.

Mike Mccarthy got hired as gb head coach after the niners had a s**t year and Alex Smith looked like ass. Being hired as a hc doesn't mean they had talent. At every position. Then you attack the poster?

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I'm trying to decipher what coordinators getting had coaching jobs have to do with the original post. he didn't even mention coordinators in his original post.

It's called "raising a point." And I didn't even include Sean McVay and LaFleur under his coaching tree since he didn't coach here. Otherwise, that'd be 6. How many coordinators have you seen hired from 4-12 teams without a clue over the years?

If we're doing such a horrible job at major positions, why does everyone want a part of what Kyle has been doing?

The challenge is for you to connect the dots and explain.

The only reason I can gather for why such a simple question makes you uncomfortable is because you have no legit counter to it.

The two things can both be true, yes we have neglected the offensive line positions as a whole and we have severely neglected cornerback as far as the draft goes at least.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I'm trying to decipher what coordinators getting had coaching jobs have to do with the original post. he didn't even mention coordinators in his original post.

It's called "raising a point." And I didn't even include Sean McVay and LaFleur under his coaching tree since he didn't coach here. Otherwise, that'd be 6. How many coordinators have you seen hired from 4-12 teams without a clue over the years?

If we're doing such a horrible job at major positions, why does everyone want a part of what Kyle has been doing?

The challenge is for you to connect the dots and explain.

The only reason I can gather for why such a simple question makes you uncomfortable is because you have no legit counter to it.

You cleatly missed the point where my counter was that the "point" you were making was not correlated to what the original poster was saying. Your point made no sense. There is no correlation to being hired as a head coach as a coordinator to not addressing talent at certain positions.

Coordinators are hired based on the job they did with the talent they have.

As elguapo stated, both can be true.