49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You thought the Chiefs OL was bad?

If that's the case, I hope ours suck ass this year! Haha

Their RT was bad, their LT was average at best. My point is you're presenting that the chiefs went all out and threw 5 probowlers out there. They did not.

My point is the reason the chiefs OL looks as it does is because of mahomes, not because the chiefs somehow acquired/developed 5-9 probowlers

Well, no, because we've seen that same QB really struggle without it. They are intimately tied together. Obviously he's a unicorn in that he can make up for a few plays here and there more than anyone in history but there's a tipping point for all great QB's there. Even him. You need both. Simple as that. That's your best bet in today's game.

Can we win it all by prioritizing a dominant run game and DL instead of QB + OL? Year 7, let's find out!

Pass rush and pass pro will get you deep into the playoffs but you need that QB to put you over the top.

You certainly need the QB + OL. Pass rush? Only if it's better than the PP.

We and Philly proved the pass rush, as dominant as it was coming in, can be neutralized when it matters most. Which is crazy when you consider most think the DL talent is >>>>>>>>>>> OL coming out of college and FA/trade. Hmm.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You thought the Chiefs OL was bad?

If that's the case, I hope ours suck ass this year! Haha

Their RT was bad, their LT was average at best. My point is you're presenting that the chiefs went all out and threw 5 probowlers out there. They did not.

My point is the reason the chiefs OL looks as it does is because of mahomes, not because the chiefs somehow acquired/developed 5-9 probowlers

Well, no, because we've seen that same QB really struggle without it. They are intimately tied together. Obviously he's a unicorn in that he can make up for a few plays here and there more than anyone in history but there's a tipping point for all great QB's there. Even him. You need both. Simple as that. That's your best bet in today's game.

Can we win it all by prioritizing a dominant run game and DL instead of QB + OL? Year 7, let's find out!

Pass rush and pass pro will get you deep into the playoffs but you need that QB to put you over the top.

You certainly need the QB + OL. Pass rush? Only if it's better than the PP.

We and Philly proved the pass rush, as dominant as it was coming in, can be neutralized when it matters most. Which is crazy when you consider most think the DL talent is >>>>>>>>>>> OL coming out of college and FA/trade. Hmm.

Are you really downplaying the importance of a pass rush? There is a lot of evidence to the contrary. PHI's pass rush was neutralized by shamefully poor field conditions but keep believing it was KC's lower than 49ers ranked pass pro that was the difference.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You thought the Chiefs OL was bad?

If that's the case, I hope ours suck ass this year! Haha

Their RT was bad, their LT was average at best. My point is you're presenting that the chiefs went all out and threw 5 probowlers out there. They did not.

My point is the reason the chiefs OL looks as it does is because of mahomes, not because the chiefs somehow acquired/developed 5-9 probowlers

Well, no, because we've seen that same QB really struggle without it. They are intimately tied together. Obviously he's a unicorn in that he can make up for a few plays here and there more than anyone in history but there's a tipping point for all great QB's there. Even him. You need both. Simple as that. That's your best bet in today's game.

Can we win it all by prioritizing a dominant run game and DL instead of QB + OL? Year 7, let's find out!

Pass rush and pass pro will get you deep into the playoffs but you need that QB to put you over the top.

You certainly need the QB + OL. Pass rush? Only if it's better than the PP.

We and Philly proved the pass rush, as dominant as it was coming in, can be neutralized when it matters most. Which is crazy when you consider most think the DL talent is >>>>>>>>>>> OL coming out of college and FA/trade. Hmm.

Are you really downplaying the importance of a pass rush? There is a lot of evidence to the contrary. PHI's pass rush was neutralized by shamefully poor field conditions but keep believing it was KC's lower than 49ers ranked pass pro that was the difference.

No, I'm saying it can and has been neutralized esp. in a modern era that emphasizes holding for the entertainment of the pass.

In fact, when has a team that prioritizes (top 2) a dominant pass rush won? Broncos? Hawks?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You thought the Chiefs OL was bad?

If that's the case, I hope ours suck ass this year! Haha

Their RT was bad, their LT was average at best. My point is you're presenting that the chiefs went all out and threw 5 probowlers out there. They did not.

My point is the reason the chiefs OL looks as it does is because of mahomes, not because the chiefs somehow acquired/developed 5-9 probowlers

Well, no, because we've seen that same QB really struggle without it. They are intimately tied together. Obviously he's a unicorn in that he can make up for a few plays here and there more than anyone in history but there's a tipping point for all great QB's there. Even him. You need both. Simple as that. That's your best bet in today's game.

Can we win it all by prioritizing a dominant run game and DL instead of QB + OL? Year 7, let's find out!

Pass rush and pass pro will get you deep into the playoffs but you need that QB to put you over the top.

You certainly need the QB + OL. Pass rush? Only if it's better than the PP.

We and Philly proved the pass rush, as dominant as it was coming in, can be neutralized when it matters most. Which is crazy when you consider most think the DL talent is >>>>>>>>>>> OL coming out of college and FA/trade. Hmm.

Are you really downplaying the importance of a pass rush? There is a lot of evidence to the contrary. PHI's pass rush was neutralized by shamefully poor field conditions but keep believing it was KC's lower than 49ers ranked pass pro that was the difference.

No, I'm saying it can and has been neutralized esp. in a modern era that emphasizes holding for the entertainment of the pass.

In fact, when has a team that prioritizes (top 2) a dominant pass rush won? Broncos? Hawks?

LAR in 2021 had the #1 pass rush in the league.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You thought the Chiefs OL was bad?

If that's the case, I hope ours suck ass this year! Haha

Their RT was bad, their LT was average at best. My point is you're presenting that the chiefs went all out and threw 5 probowlers out there. They did not.

My point is the reason the chiefs OL looks as it does is because of mahomes, not because the chiefs somehow acquired/developed 5-9 probowlers

Well, no, because we've seen that same QB really struggle without it. They are intimately tied together. Obviously he's a unicorn in that he can make up for a few plays here and there more than anyone in history but there's a tipping point for all great QB's there. Even him. You need both. Simple as that. That's your best bet in today's game.

Can we win it all by prioritizing a dominant run game and DL instead of QB + OL? Year 7, let's find out!

Pass rush and pass pro will get you deep into the playoffs but you need that QB to put you over the top.

You certainly need the QB + OL. Pass rush? Only if it's better than the PP.

We and Philly proved the pass rush, as dominant as it was coming in, can be neutralized when it matters most. Which is crazy when you consider most think the DL talent is >>>>>>>>>>> OL coming out of college and FA/trade. Hmm.

Are you really downplaying the importance of a pass rush? There is a lot of evidence to the contrary. PHI's pass rush was neutralized by shamefully poor field conditions but keep believing it was KC's lower than 49ers ranked pass pro that was the difference.

No, I'm saying it can and has been neutralized esp. in a modern era that emphasizes holding for the entertainment of the pass.

In fact, when has a team that prioritizes (top 2) a dominant pass rush won? Broncos? Hawks?

LAR in 2021 had the #1 pass rush in the league.

That's true. They were badass that year.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I also believe that looking at playoff rankings is a bit skewed because an O line facing the two best pass rushes in the league is going to affect an O line's performance more than facing the 20th ranked pass rush and a 7th ranked pass rush who was on the field for 37 minutes due to an offense having both hands tied behind its back.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You thought the Chiefs OL was bad?

If that's the case, I hope ours suck ass this year! Haha

Their RT was bad, their LT was average at best. My point is you're presenting that the chiefs went all out and threw 5 probowlers out there. They did not.

My point is the reason the chiefs OL looks as it does is because of mahomes, not because the chiefs somehow acquired/developed 5-9 probowlers

Well, no, because we've seen that same QB really struggle without it. They are intimately tied together. Obviously he's a unicorn in that he can make up for a few plays here and there more than anyone in history but there's a tipping point for all great QB's there. Even him. You need both. Simple as that. That's your best bet in today's game.

Can we win it all by prioritizing a dominant run game and DL instead of QB + OL? Year 7, let's find out!

Pass rush and pass pro will get you deep into the playoffs but you need that QB to put you over the top.

You certainly need the QB + OL. Pass rush? Only if it's better than the PP.

We and Philly proved the pass rush, as dominant as it was coming in, can be neutralized when it matters most. Which is crazy when you consider most think the DL talent is >>>>>>>>>>> OL coming out of college and FA/trade. Hmm.

Are you really downplaying the importance of a pass rush? There is a lot of evidence to the contrary. PHI's pass rush was neutralized by shamefully poor field conditions but keep believing it was KC's lower than 49ers ranked pass pro that was the difference.

No, I'm saying it can and has been neutralized esp. in a modern era that emphasizes holding for the entertainment of the pass.

In fact, when has a team that prioritizes (top 2) a dominant pass rush won? Broncos? Hawks?

LAR in 2021 had the #1 pass rush in the league.

That's true. They were badass that year.

Our pass pro keeps improving but our luck in avoiding the top 2 pass rushes in the playoffs has not. Perhaps if we had the #1 pass rush our luck would change?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I also believe that looking at playoff rankings is a bit skewed because an O line facing the two best pass rushes in the league is going to affect an O line's performance more than facing the 20th ranked pass rush and a 7th ranked pass rush who was on the field for 37 minutes due to an offense having both hands tied behind its back.

A dominant PP doesn't care what PR you bring.

True, BT just notes the talent level going in, their play as a unit, etc. That doesn't mean they'll end up matching that ranking when it's all said and done (esp. when factoring in their draw). Of course, you can say that about any ranking-position.

That said, Philly and KC were pretty much the top 2 by everyone on planet earth and it wasn't a surprise to see them face off in the Superbowl.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I also believe that looking at playoff rankings is a bit skewed because an O line facing the two best pass rushes in the league is going to affect an O line's performance more than facing the 20th ranked pass rush and a 7th ranked pass rush who was on the field for 37 minutes due to an offense having both hands tied behind its back.

A dominant PP doesn't care what PR you bring.

True, BT just notes the talent level going in, their play as a unit, etc. That doesn't mean they'll end up matching that ranking when it's all said and done (esp. when factoring in their draw). Of course, you can say that about any ranking-position.

That said, Philly and KC were pretty much the top 2 by everyone on planet earth and it wasn't a surprise to see them face off in the Superbowl.

Nah. Not really. I had an 80% win rate with my playoff prediction formula. The 49ers and eagles were equally matched on paper and the game could have gone either way if Brock didn't suffer a freak injury. But KC...they actually defied all odds.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You thought the Chiefs OL was bad?

If that's the case, I hope ours suck ass this year! Haha

Their RT was bad, their LT was average at best. My point is you're presenting that the chiefs went all out and threw 5 probowlers out there. They did not.

My point is the reason the chiefs OL looks as it does is because of mahomes, not because the chiefs somehow acquired/developed 5-9 probowlers

Well, no, because we've seen that same QB really struggle without it. They are intimately tied together. Obviously he's a unicorn in that he can make up for a few plays here and there more than anyone in history but there's a tipping point for all great QB's there. Even him. You need both. Simple as that. That's your best bet in today's game.

Can we win it all by prioritizing a dominant run game and DL instead of QB + OL? Year 7, let's find out!

Pass rush and pass pro will get you deep into the playoffs but you need that QB to put you over the top.

You certainly need the QB + OL. Pass rush? Only if it's better than the PP.

We and Philly proved the pass rush, as dominant as it was coming in, can be neutralized when it matters most. Which is crazy when you consider most think the DL talent is >>>>>>>>>>> OL coming out of college and FA/trade. Hmm.

Are you really downplaying the importance of a pass rush? There is a lot of evidence to the contrary. PHI's pass rush was neutralized by shamefully poor field conditions but keep believing it was KC's lower than 49ers ranked pass pro that was the difference.

No, I'm saying it can and has been neutralized esp. in a modern era that emphasizes holding for the entertainment of the pass.

In fact, when has a team that prioritizes (top 2) a dominant pass rush won? Broncos? Hawks?

LAR in 2021 had the #1 pass rush in the league.

That's true. They were badass that year.

Our pass pro keeps improving but our luck in avoiding the top 2 pass rushes in the playoffs has not. Perhaps if we had the #1 pass rush our luck would change?

I mean, allegedly, our unit PP plays against the #1 D every day in practice. For as much as we invest in the DL, outside of Dallas, they've really struggled closing out and I don't know why. It's not like they lack talent or ability.

But yeah, personally, I think you can build up both over many years.

Yeah, let's be that #1 PR going in and close! Let's be that rising OL and unit PP that gives Kyle, Brock and all the play makers the best shot to bring home what belongs to us.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You thought the Chiefs OL was bad?

If that's the case, I hope ours suck ass this year! Haha

Their RT was bad, their LT was average at best. My point is you're presenting that the chiefs went all out and threw 5 probowlers out there. They did not.

My point is the reason the chiefs OL looks as it does is because of mahomes, not because the chiefs somehow acquired/developed 5-9 probowlers

Well, no, because we've seen that same QB really struggle without it. They are intimately tied together. Obviously he's a unicorn in that he can make up for a few plays here and there more than anyone in history but there's a tipping point for all great QB's there. Even him. You need both. Simple as that. That's your best bet in today's game.

Can we win it all by prioritizing a dominant run game and DL instead of QB + OL? Year 7, let's find out!

Pass rush and pass pro will get you deep into the playoffs but you need that QB to put you over the top.

You certainly need the QB + OL. Pass rush? Only if it's better than the PP.

We and Philly proved the pass rush, as dominant as it was coming in, can be neutralized when it matters most. Which is crazy when you consider most think the DL talent is >>>>>>>>>>> OL coming out of college and FA/trade. Hmm.

Are you really downplaying the importance of a pass rush? There is a lot of evidence to the contrary. PHI's pass rush was neutralized by shamefully poor field conditions but keep believing it was KC's lower than 49ers ranked pass pro that was the difference.

No, I'm saying it can and has been neutralized esp. in a modern era that emphasizes holding for the entertainment of the pass.

In fact, when has a team that prioritizes (top 2) a dominant pass rush won? Broncos? Hawks?

LAR in 2021 had the #1 pass rush in the league.

That's true. They were badass that year.

Our pass pro keeps improving but our luck in avoiding the top 2 pass rushes in the playoffs has not. Perhaps if we had the #1 pass rush our luck would change?

I mean, allegedly, our unit PP plays against the #1 D every day in practice. For as much as we invest in the DL, outside of Dallas, they've really struggled closing out and I don't know why. It's not like they lack talent or ability.

But yeah, personally, I think you can build up both over many years.

Yeah, let's be that #1 PR going in and close! Let's be that rising OL and unit PP that gives Kyle, Brock and all the play makers the best shot to bring home what belongs to us.

Only in the summer.

As for your last paragraph. Like I stated earlier. If our pass rush and pass pro are both top 5 I really like our chances. If they are both #1, just crown us now.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I also believe that looking at playoff rankings is a bit skewed because an O line facing the two best pass rushes in the league is going to affect an O line's performance more than facing the 20th ranked pass rush and a 7th ranked pass rush who was on the field for 37 minutes due to an offense having both hands tied behind its back.

A dominant PP doesn't care what PR you bring.

True, BT just notes the talent level going in, their play as a unit, etc. That doesn't mean they'll end up matching that ranking when it's all said and done (esp. when factoring in their draw). Of course, you can say that about any ranking-position.

That said, Philly and KC were pretty much the top 2 by everyone on planet earth and it wasn't a surprise to see them face off in the Superbowl.

Nah. Not really. I had an 80% win rate with my playoff prediction formula. The 49ers and eagles were equally matched on paper and the game could have gone either way if Brock didn't suffer a freak injury. But KC...they actually defied all odds.

Ah yeah! Are you going to do that again this year?

Originally posted by NCommand:
No, I'm saying it can and has been neutralized esp. in a modern era that emphasizes holding for the entertainment of the pass.

In fact, when has a team that prioritizes (top 2) a dominant pass rush won? Broncos? Hawks?

Originally posted by random49er:
Guy is suggesting that "dominant pass protection" has never been neutralized by a better pass rush.

Nevermind how untrue this circular garb is, I guess. The goal isin't simply to discuss our OLine anyway.

It's to teach everyone that offensive linemen are important,...and that very few (if anybody else here) understands this, lol.