49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:
Haha. My formula has been proven right every year.

I don't need to prove anything in here.

The QB-makes-the-OL crowd is 0-6.

So let's prove it again.

Let's take a few minutes to go over those NC 6 wins

2019-there was no formula at that time. NC was still operating off of QB hits since sacks were no longer applicable. Then QB hits went the way of the sack that year which was followed by a laundry list of excuses as to why. Then the 49ers caved to a Chiefs team that was not boasting a top OL and Mahomes absolutely turned into super man after getting the s**t kicked out of him the entire game. NC also told everyone during a debate that KC had actually kept PM clean the entire game and it was actually the Niners OL who got destroyed all game. When it was brought to his attention that he was wrong, he then shifted that the true OL's really hold up in the last 2 minutes and PM had nothing to do with it. Some outside of the box logic, I can respect that. -NC Fail

2020-formula was still not a thing at this time, but rather in its infancy . TB brought on Brady after a horrendous OL year in 2019. All of a sudden the same OL, that was essentially the exact same OL from the year prior, transformed into a top unit after Brady showed up. They beat down a Chiefs OL that was rated high, but depleted with injuries at all key OL positions and NC claimed victory-In reality this was another NC fail.

2021-This was the best chance NC had at seizing victory….had he not told everyone that the Rams had learned their lesson and prioritized and rehauled their OL to be #1….when in reality all they did was trot out the same exact OL from the year prior…..while also adding Stafford. Niners kicked the s**t out of the Rams OL bulk of the game, but unfortunately folded in the end. This is when NC became laser focused on pressure rates. -Sadly another NC fail

2022-PHI had the #1 OL and an elite QB. KC OL was not #1 and almost got PM killed in the playoffs and gave up a high pressure rate in the SB-. This is also where we were introduced to Unthreatening pressure-Fail NC.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Except PM never won with a medicore OL. He's always had tier 1 OL's except for his 1 loss. Irony? No. That's how football generally works...since the dawn of time.

PS: You need both.

Cincy was one play away from not needing both.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
🤣 this is the reality NC lives in

It's the reality of someone who predetermines the conclusion, then cherry picks evidence to build their case.

I don't know how someone could possibly know which of these oline's and QBs will be a) healthy and b) performing to preseason expectations by the super bowl. It's such a strange flex to get people to bet something with poor odds.

It's simple. Defer to the folks who study these things for a living. And then see how the QB's do that season: Stafford, Brady, Mahomes, Hurts, etc. If they're playing tier 1 too, you've got great odds in today's passing league. It's not that hard. It's football.

Of course, to your point, injuries and other factors can derail things.

But we're talking about making an educated guess right now and what formula works for you.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Except PM never won with a medicore OL. He's always had tier 1 OL's except for his 1 loss. Irony? No. That's how football generally works...since the dawn of time.

PS: You need both.

Cincy was one play away from not needing both.

Horse shoes and grenades.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Haha. My formula has been proven right every year.

I don't need to prove anything in here.

The QB-makes-the-OL crowd is 0-6.

So let's prove it again.

Let's take a few minutes to go over those NC 6 wins

2019-there was no formula at that time. NC was still operating off of QB hits since sacks were no longer applicable. Then QB hits went the way of the sack that year which was followed by a laundry list of excuses as to why. Then the 49ers caved to a Chiefs team that was not boasting a top OL and Mahomes absolutely turned into super man after getting the s**t kicked out of him the entire game. NC also told everyone during a debate that KC had actually kept PM clean the entire game and it was actually the Niners OL who got destroyed all game. When it was brought to his attention that he was wrong, he then shifted that the true OL's really hold up in the last 2 minutes and PM had nothing to do with it. Some outside of the box logic, I can respect that. -NC Fail

2020-formula was still not a thing at this time, but rather in its infancy . TB brought on Brady after a horrendous OL year in 2019. All of a sudden the same OL, that was essentially the exact same OL from the year prior, transformed into a top unit after Brady showed up. They beat down a Chiefs OL that was rated high, but depleted with injuries at all key OL positions and NC claimed victory-In reality this was another NC fail.

2021-This was the best chance NC had at seizing victory….had he not told everyone that the Rams had learned their lesson and prioritized and rehauled their OL to be #1….when in reality all they did was trot out the same exact OL from the year prior…..while also adding Stafford. Niners kicked the s**t out of the Rams OL bulk of the game, but unfortunately folded in the end. This is when NC became laser focused on pressure rates. -Sadly another NC fail

2022-PHI had the #1 OL and an elite QB. KC OL was not #1 and almost got PM killed in the playoffs and gave up a high pressure rate in the SB-Fail NC.

What is this dribble?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Haha. My formula has been proven right every year.

I don't need to prove anything in here.

The QB-makes-the-OL crowd is 0-6.

So let's prove it again.

Let's take a few minutes to go over those NC 6 wins

2019-there was no formula at that time. NC was still operating off of QB hits since sacks were no longer applicable. Then QB hits went the way of the sack that year which was followed by a laundry list of excuses as to why. Then the 49ers caved to a Chiefs team that was not boasting a top OL and Mahomes absolutely turned into super man after getting the s**t kicked out of him the entire game. NC also told everyone during a debate that KC had actually kept PM clean the entire game and it was actually the Niners OL who got destroyed all game. When it was brought to his attention that he was wrong, he then shifted that the true OL's really hold up in the last 2 minutes and PM had nothing to do with it. Some outside of the box logic, I can respect that. -NC Fail

2020-formula was still not a thing at this time, but rather in its infancy . TB brought on Brady after a horrendous OL year in 2019. All of a sudden the same OL, that was essentially the exact same OL from the year prior, transformed into a top unit after Brady showed up. They beat down a Chiefs OL that was rated high, but depleted with injuries at all key OL positions and NC claimed victory-In reality this was another NC fail.

2021-This was the best chance NC had at seizing victory….had he not told everyone that the Rams had learned their lesson and prioritized and rehauled their OL to be #1….when in reality all they did was trot out the same exact OL from the year prior…..while also adding Stafford. Niners kicked the s**t out of the Rams OL bulk of the game, but unfortunately folded in the end. This is when NC became laser focused on pressure rates. -Sadly another NC fail

2022-PHI had the #1 OL and an elite QB. KC OL was not #1 and almost got PM killed in the playoffs and gave up a high pressure rate in the SB-Fail NC.

What is this dribble?

All of your wins. Congrats

So NC Has Philly/and his Formula winning it all.

I'm in, how much?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
So NC Has Philly/and his Formula winning it all.

I'm in, how much?

No he won't accept it. Says it's not fair

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Let's take a few minutes to go over those NC 6 wins

2019-there was no formula at that time. NC was still operating off of QB hits since sacks were no longer applicable. Then QB hits went the way of the sack that year which was followed by a laundry list of excuses as to why. Then the 49ers caved to a Chiefs team that was not boasting a top OL and Mahomes absolutely turned into super man after getting the s**t kicked out of him the entire game. NC also told everyone during a debate that KC had actually kept PM clean the entire game and it was actually the Niners OL who got destroyed all game. When it was brought to his attention that he was wrong, he then shifted that the true OL's really hold up in the last 2 minutes and PM had nothing to do with it. Some outside of the box logic, I can respect that. -NC Fail

2020-formula was still not a thing at this time, but rather in its infancy . TB brought on Brady after a horrendous OL year in 2019. All of a sudden the same OL, that was essentially the exact same OL from the year prior, transformed into a top unit after Brady showed up. They beat down a Chiefs OL that was rated high, but depleted with injuries at all key OL positions and NC claimed victory-In reality this was another NC fail.

2021-This was the best chance NC had at seizing victory….had he not told everyone that the Rams had learned their lesson and prioritized and rehauled their OL to be #1….when in reality all they did was trot out the same exact OL from the year prior…..while also adding Stafford. Niners kicked the s**t out of the Rams OL bulk of the game, but unfortunately folded in the end. This is when NC became laser focused on pressure rates. -Sadly another NC fail

2022-PHI had the #1 OL and an elite QB. KC OL was not #1 and almost got PM killed in the playoffs and gave up a high pressure rate in the SB-. This is also where we were introduced to Unthreatening pressure-Fail NC.

This should be pinned on top of every page here

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
So NC Has Philly/and his Formula winning it all.

I'm in, how much?

No he won't accept it. Says it's not fair

his full proof formula not fair?

NC said to bet, well let's go !

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Haha. My formula has been proven right every year.

I don't need to prove anything in here.

The QB-makes-the-OL crowd is 0-6.

So let's prove it again.

+ Show all quotes
Let's take a few minutes to go over those NC 6 wins

2019-there was no formula at that time. NC was still operating off of QB hits since sacks were no longer applicable. Then QB hits went the way of the sack that year which was followed by a laundry list of excuses as to why. Then the 49ers caved to a Chiefs team that was not boasting a top OL and Mahomes absolutely turned into super man after getting the s**t kicked out of him the entire game. NC also told everyone during a debate that KC had actually kept PM clean the entire game and it was actually the Niners OL who got destroyed all game. When it was brought to his attention that he was wrong, he then shifted that the true OL's really hold up in the last 2 minutes and PM had nothing to do with it. Some outside of the box logic, I can respect that. -NC Fail

2020-formula was still not a thing at this time, but rather in its infancy . TB brought on Brady after a horrendous OL year in 2019. All of a sudden the same OL, that was essentially the exact same OL from the year prior, transformed into a top unit after Brady showed up. They beat down a Chiefs OL that was rated high, but depleted with injuries at all key OL positions and NC claimed victory-In reality this was another NC fail.

2021-This was the best chance NC had at seizing victory….had he not told everyone that the Rams had learned their lesson and prioritized and rehauled their OL to be #1….when in reality all they did was trot out the same exact OL from the year prior…..while also adding Stafford. Niners kicked the s**t out of the Rams OL bulk of the game, but unfortunately folded in the end. This is when NC became laser focused on pressure rates. -Sadly another NC fail

2022-PHI had the #1 OL and an elite QB. KC OL was not #1 and almost got PM killed in the playoffs and gave up a high pressure rate in the SB-Fail NC.

What is this dribble?

All of your wins. Congrats

LMAO! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

That's still not "good enough."

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
So NC Has Philly/and his Formula winning it all.

I'm in, how much?

No he won't accept it. Says it's not fair

his full proof formula not fair?

NC said to bet, well let's go !

Deal!

You guys (Hoov, 9ers4eva, you, french, YAC...hell, let's bring back NY!) take the Chiefs to win it all and I'll try the formula again (Philly). Winner takes all!

NC: Tier 1 OL + QB win Superbowls
Hoov, 9ers4eva, All, french, YAC: Tier 1 QB + Tier 2-3 OL win Superbowls

I'll take Philly. You take the Chiefs.

Let's go!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
So NC Has Philly/and his Formula winning it all.

I'm in, how much?

+ Show all quotes
No he won't accept it. Says it's not fair

his full proof formula not fair?

NC said to bet, well let's go !

Deal!

You guys (Hoov, 9ers4eva, you, french, YAC...hell, let's bring back NY!) take the Chiefs to win it all and I'll try the formula again (Philly). Winner takes all!

NC: Tier 1 OL + QB win Superbowls
Hoov, 9ers4eva, All, french, YAC: Tier 1 QB + Tier 2-3 OL win Superbowls

I'll take Philly. You take the Chiefs.

Let's go!

Please don't say deal like you are agreeing and then just completely muddy the waters The deal is PHI. KC already showed you in 2019 that a non top tier OL could win it . This is your formula, hence why I said I'd take PHI not winning and you can take PHI wining. s**t I'll even give you 2 to 1 odds

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Except PM never won with a medicore OL. He's always had tier 1 OL's except for his 1 loss. Irony? No. That's how football generally works...since the dawn of time.

PS: You need both.

Cincy was one play away from not needing both.

Burrows is Elite and Cincy had a good oline. I'm not understanding?

The only QB that can make a good O line great is Patrick mahomes.

As well NC is right you need both. Being back into the O line thread...We will win it all of we have a top 5 line this year. If we don't we won't. I feel better about McKivitz after preseason however we shall see how our O line performs against Pittsburgh and their D line with TJ Watt.

I'm a Niners fan so hope we do well.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
So NC Has Philly/and his Formula winning it all.

I'm in, how much?

No he won't accept it. Says it's not fair

+ Show all quotes his full proof formula not fair?

NC said to bet, well let's go !

Deal!

You guys (Hoov, 9ers4eva, you, french, YAC...hell, let's bring back NY!) take the Chiefs to win it all and I'll try the formula again (Philly). Winner takes all!

NC: Tier 1 OL + QB win Superbowls
Hoov, 9ers4eva, All, french, YAC: Tier 1 QB + Tier 2-3 OL win Superbowls

I'll take Philly. You take the Chiefs.

Let's go!

Please don't say deal like you are agreeing and then just completely muddy the waters The deal is PHI. KC already showed you in 2019 that a non top tier OL could win it . This is your formula, hence why I said I'd take PHI not winning and you can take PHI wining. s**t I'll even give you 2 to 1 odds

Again, my formula has worked. Yours has not.

If you're going to continue to say otherwise, this is a simple deal for your formula to be finally proven right. To date, it's been a total fail on your parts (all listed).

So take the Chiefs and I'll take Philly.

This really isn't complicated. LOL