49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:
Haha. Right. He's not that ignorant.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Of course not. You need both. Why is this so hard to understand? LOL

Is it possible Goff gets hot at the right time and plays like a tier 1 QB through the playoffs? Sure...we've seen it before. But it's unlikely too.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
never heard of tier 1 until today in this thread.. wth is that ? new name for #1 ranked OL like years past ?

It was introduced because PHI was #1 last year and didn't win

oh, moving the goal posts..

how many teams are in these tiers ?

2. Sometimes 3. For instance, only 2 are in the OL tier 1 this year. 3 on defense (including SF). Sometimes just 1.

Last year it was 2 OL: Eagles and Chiefs in tier 1. Chiefs got no lower than 3.

whats this years, Hoov mentioned Det ?

Where are these tiers coming from?

This year to 'start.'

Tier 1:
Eagles and Lions for OL
Cowboys, 9ers and Steelers for DL

https://establishtherun.com/thorn-2023-offensive-line-rankings/
You
https://establishtherun.com/thorn-2023-defensive-line-rankings/

All will be reevaluated mid season and again going into the playoffs.

do you think it's wise to post pay sites as your source of truth when you don't read the entire articles because you, admittedly, don't ever pay for pay sites?

Do you need to pay to see the free tier 1's listed every time? LOL

Also, follow Brandon. He usually reveals a ton.

The 'pay' portion is used for specific weekly matchups, FF and betting. YAC would benefit from it as he uses a similar formula.

So you also feel Lions are Tier 1 ?

It's hard to argue against their expertise and history.

Did you read their assessment of why they have them in tier 1?

Would that be enough to elevate Goff to playing at a tier 1 level as well? Highly unlikely but he did have a nice second half of the season IIRC.

so would you bet on Det ?

Of course not. You need both. Why is this so hard to understand? LOL

Is it possible Goff gets hot at the right time and plays like a tier 1 QB through the playoffs? Sure...we've seen it before. But it's unlikely too.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
never heard of tier 1 until today in this thread.. wth is that ? new name for #1 ranked OL like years past ?

It was introduced because PHI was #1 last year and didn't win

oh, moving the goal posts..

how many teams are in these tiers ?

2. Sometimes 3. For instance, only 2 are in the OL tier 1 this year. 3 on defense (including SF). Sometimes just 1.

Last year it was 2 OL: Eagles and Chiefs in tier 1. Chiefs got no lower than 3.

whats this years, Hoov mentioned Det ?

Where are these tiers coming from?

This year to 'start.'

Tier 1:
Eagles and Lions for OL
Cowboys, 9ers and Steelers for DL

https://establishtherun.com/thorn-2023-offensive-line-rankings/
You
https://establishtherun.com/thorn-2023-defensive-line-rankings/

All will be reevaluated mid season and again going into the playoffs.

do you think it's wise to post pay sites as your source of truth when you don't read the entire articles because you, admittedly, don't ever pay for pay sites?

Do you need to pay to see the free tier 1's listed every time? LOL

Also, follow Brandon. He usually reveals a ton.

The 'pay' portion is used for specific weekly matchups, FF and betting. YAC would benefit from it as he uses a similar formula.

Might just be me, but if this is my source of truth and the bases of my whole argument, I'm going to make sure I read up on everything within it. Everything I've seen with Thorn and the tier rankings , pre, mid, end is all pay

I've listed them all here. They all contain the tier 1's and their rationale why.

Like with the DL, I'm waiting for the day SF enters tier 1 for the OL.

But is that ever going to happen under ShanaLynch?

Unlikely. So we pivot to your theory...QB making up for a tier 2+ OL. Let's hope you're right!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
never heard of tier 1 until today in this thread.. wth is that ? new name for #1 ranked OL like years past ?

It was introduced because PHI was #1 last year and didn't win

oh, moving the goal posts..

how many teams are in these tiers ?

2. Sometimes 3. For instance, only 2 are in the OL tier 1 this year. 3 on defense (including SF). Sometimes just 1.

Last year it was 2 OL: Eagles and Chiefs in tier 1. Chiefs got no lower than 3.

whats this years, Hoov mentioned Det ?

Where are these tiers coming from?

This year to 'start.'

Tier 1:
Eagles and Lions for OL
Cowboys, 9ers and Steelers for DL

https://establishtherun.com/thorn-2023-offensive-line-rankings/
You
https://establishtherun.com/thorn-2023-defensive-line-rankings/

All will be reevaluated mid season and again going into the playoffs.

do you think it's wise to post pay sites as your source of truth when you don't read the entire articles because you, admittedly, don't ever pay for pay sites?

Do you need to pay to see the free tier 1's listed every time? LOL

Also, follow Brandon. He usually reveals a ton.

The 'pay' portion is used for specific weekly matchups, FF and betting. YAC would benefit from it as he uses a similar formula.

So you also feel Lions are Tier 1 ?

It's hard to argue against their expertise and history.

Did you read their assessment of why they have them in tier 1?

Would that be enough to elevate Goff to playing at a tier 1 level as well? Highly unlikely but he did have a nice second half of the season IIRC.

so would you bet on Det ?

Of course not. You need both. Why is this so hard to understand? LOL

Is it possible Goff gets hot at the right time and plays like a tier 1 QB through the playoffs? Sure...we've seen it before. But it's unlikely too.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Of course not. You need both. Why is this so hard to understand? LOL

Is it possible Goff gets hot at the right time and plays like a tier 1 QB through the playoffs? Sure...we've seen it before. But it's unlikely too.

Except that you don't. As long as the o line is in the tier 3 range you can win if the qb play is elite. The reverse is not true unless that tier 3 guy plays like an elite guy for 4 games ala Nick Foles.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
never heard of tier 1 until today in this thread.. wth is that ? new name for #1 ranked OL like years past ?

It was introduced because PHI was #1 last year and didn't win

oh, moving the goal posts..

how many teams are in these tiers ?

2. Sometimes 3. For instance, only 2 are in the OL tier 1 this year. 3 on defense (including SF). Sometimes just 1.

Last year it was 2 OL: Eagles and Chiefs in tier 1. Chiefs got no lower than 3.

whats this years, Hoov mentioned Det ?

Where are these tiers coming from?

This year to 'start.'

Tier 1:
Eagles and Lions for OL
Cowboys, 9ers and Steelers for DL

https://establishtherun.com/thorn-2023-offensive-line-rankings/
You
https://establishtherun.com/thorn-2023-defensive-line-rankings/

All will be reevaluated mid season and again going into the playoffs.

do you think it's wise to post pay sites as your source of truth when you don't read the entire articles because you, admittedly, don't ever pay for pay sites?

Do you need to pay to see the free tier 1's listed every time? LOL

Also, follow Brandon. He usually reveals a ton.

The 'pay' portion is used for specific weekly matchups, FF and betting. YAC would benefit from it as he uses a similar formula.

So you also feel Lions are Tier 1 ?

It's hard to argue against their expertise and history.

Did you read their assessment of why they have them in tier 1?

Would that be enough to elevate Goff to playing at a tier 1 level as well? Highly unlikely but he did have a nice second half of the season IIRC.

so would you bet on Det ?

Of course not. You need both. Why is this so hard to understand? LOL

Is it possible Goff gets hot at the right time and plays like a tier 1 QB through the playoffs? Sure...we've seen it before. But it's unlikely too.

it's hard to understand because you keep changing all the criteria on purpose

So now it's Tier 1 OL instead of #1 OL, but you won't stand by your theory with Det. another weak move by NC

When you say you need both, what is that exactly? Don't dance around just say it.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
never heard of tier 1 until today in this thread.. wth is that ? new name for #1 ranked OL like years past ?

It was introduced because PHI was #1 last year and didn't win

oh, moving the goal posts..

how many teams are in these tiers ?

2. Sometimes 3. For instance, only 2 are in the OL tier 1 this year. 3 on defense (including SF). Sometimes just 1.

Last year it was 2 OL: Eagles and Chiefs in tier 1. Chiefs got no lower than 3.

whats this years, Hoov mentioned Det ?

Where are these tiers coming from?

This year to 'start.'

Tier 1:
Eagles and Lions for OL
Cowboys, 9ers and Steelers for DL

https://establishtherun.com/thorn-2023-offensive-line-rankings/
You
https://establishtherun.com/thorn-2023-defensive-line-rankings/

All will be reevaluated mid season and again going into the playoffs.

do you think it's wise to post pay sites as your source of truth when you don't read the entire articles because you, admittedly, don't ever pay for pay sites?

Do you need to pay to see the free tier 1's listed every time? LOL

Also, follow Brandon. He usually reveals a ton.

The 'pay' portion is used for specific weekly matchups, FF and betting. YAC would benefit from it as he uses a similar formula.

Might just be me, but if this is my source of truth and the bases of my whole argument, I'm going to make sure I read up on everything within it. Everything I've seen with Thorn and the tier rankings , pre, mid, end is all pay

I've listed them all here. They all contain the tier 1's and their rationale why.

Like with the DL, I'm waiting for the day SF enters tier 1 for the OL.

But is that ever going to happen under ShanaLynch?

Unlikely. So we pivot to your theory...QB making up for a tier 2+ OL. Let's hope you're right!

But You still do not read all of what you try to cite, that's all I'm saying. Not a great way to debate something or lend credence to your angle imo. And I don't have a theory, as I take many things into account. . I just don't happen to agree with yours. Mainly because the criteria is ever changing and because the focus for every teams success is always OL.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
never heard of tier 1 until today in this thread.. wth is that ? new name for #1 ranked OL like years past ?

It was introduced because PHI was #1 last year and didn't win

oh, moving the goal posts..

how many teams are in these tiers ?

2. Sometimes 3. For instance, only 2 are in the OL tier 1 this year. 3 on defense (including SF). Sometimes just 1.

Last year it was 2 OL: Eagles and Chiefs in tier 1. Chiefs got no lower than 3.

whats this years, Hoov mentioned Det ?

Where are these tiers coming from?

This year to 'start.'

Tier 1:
Eagles and Lions for OL
Cowboys, 9ers and Steelers for DL

https://establishtherun.com/thorn-2023-offensive-line-rankings/
You
https://establishtherun.com/thorn-2023-defensive-line-rankings/

All will be reevaluated mid season and again going into the playoffs.

do you think it's wise to post pay sites as your source of truth when you don't read the entire articles because you, admittedly, don't ever pay for pay sites?

Do you need to pay to see the free tier 1's listed every time? LOL

Also, follow Brandon. He usually reveals a ton.

The 'pay' portion is used for specific weekly matchups, FF and betting. YAC would benefit from it as he uses a similar formula.

So you also feel Lions are Tier 1 ?

It's hard to argue against their expertise and history.

Did you read their assessment of why they have them in tier 1?

Would that be enough to elevate Goff to playing at a tier 1 level as well? Highly unlikely but he did have a nice second half of the season IIRC.

so would you bet on Det ?

Of course not. You need both. Why is this so hard to understand? LOL

Is it possible Goff gets hot at the right time and plays like a tier 1 QB through the playoffs? Sure...we've seen it before. But it's unlikely too.

Goff is good and has good heart from a good family. He will get better after McKay gave the Tray Lance experience.

NC is right.. you need both a top tier O line and a good QB to help win it all. We forgot though that a top tier D is needed as well.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
never heard of tier 1 until today in this thread.. wth is that ? new name for #1 ranked OL like years past ?

It was introduced because PHI was #1 last year and didn't win

oh, moving the goal posts..

how many teams are in these tiers ?

2. Sometimes 3. For instance, only 2 are in the OL tier 1 this year. 3 on defense (including SF). Sometimes just 1.

Last year it was 2 OL: Eagles and Chiefs in tier 1. Chiefs got no lower than 3.

whats this years, Hoov mentioned Det ?

Where are these tiers coming from?

This year to 'start.'

Tier 1:
Eagles and Lions for OL
Cowboys, 9ers and Steelers for DL

https://establishtherun.com/thorn-2023-offensive-line-rankings/
You
https://establishtherun.com/thorn-2023-defensive-line-rankings/

All will be reevaluated mid season and again going into the playoffs.

do you think it's wise to post pay sites as your source of truth when you don't read the entire articles because you, admittedly, don't ever pay for pay sites?

Do you need to pay to see the free tier 1's listed every time? LOL

Also, follow Brandon. He usually reveals a ton.

The 'pay' portion is used for specific weekly matchups, FF and betting. YAC would benefit from it as he uses a similar formula.

So you also feel Lions are Tier 1 ?

It's hard to argue against their expertise and history.

Did you read their assessment of why they have them in tier 1?

Would that be enough to elevate Goff to playing at a tier 1 level as well? Highly unlikely but he did have a nice second half of the season IIRC.

so would you bet on Det ?

Of course not. You need both. Why is this so hard to understand? LOL

Is it possible Goff gets hot at the right time and plays like a tier 1 QB through the playoffs? Sure...we've seen it before. But it's unlikely too.

Goff is good and has good heart from a good family. He will get better after McKay gave the Tray Lance experience.

NC is right.. you need both a top tier O line and a good QB to help win it all. We forgot though that a top tier D is needed as well.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
never heard of tier 1 until today in this thread.. wth is that ? new name for #1 ranked OL like years past ?

It was introduced because PHI was #1 last year and didn't win

oh, moving the goal posts..

how many teams are in these tiers ?

2. Sometimes 3. For instance, only 2 are in the OL tier 1 this year. 3 on defense (including SF). Sometimes just 1.

Last year it was 2 OL: Eagles and Chiefs in tier 1. Chiefs got no lower than 3.

whats this years, Hoov mentioned Det ?

Where are these tiers coming from?

This year to 'start.'

Tier 1:
Eagles and Lions for OL
Cowboys, 9ers and Steelers for DL

https://establishtherun.com/thorn-2023-offensive-line-rankings/
You
https://establishtherun.com/thorn-2023-defensive-line-rankings/

All will be reevaluated mid season and again going into the playoffs.

do you think it's wise to post pay sites as your source of truth when you don't read the entire articles because you, admittedly, don't ever pay for pay sites?

Do you need to pay to see the free tier 1's listed every time? LOL

Also, follow Brandon. He usually reveals a ton.

The 'pay' portion is used for specific weekly matchups, FF and betting. YAC would benefit from it as he uses a similar formula.

So you also feel Lions are Tier 1 ?

It's hard to argue against their expertise and history.

Did you read their assessment of why they have them in tier 1?

Would that be enough to elevate Goff to playing at a tier 1 level as well? Highly unlikely but he did have a nice second half of the season IIRC.

so would you bet on Det ?

Of course not. You need both. Why is this so hard to understand? LOL

Is it possible Goff gets hot at the right time and plays like a tier 1 QB through the playoffs? Sure...we've seen it before. But it's unlikely too.

Goff is good and has good heart from a good family. He will get better after McKay gave the Tray Lance experience.

NC is right.. you need both a top tier O line and a good QB to help win it all. We forgot though that a top tier D is needed as well.

A complete team usually wins Superbowl. Most average fans ignore how critical a good OLine is, just to get a good average generic offense.

Best pass protectors man the OT positions, and the worst OLineman usually is (but not always) is the right guard.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Why would I even want to read about a tier 3 OL ranking anyhow? That's never been my angle. If those were winning Superbowls teams, OK. But they aren't.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Why would I even want to read about a tier 3 OL ranking anyhow? That's never been my angle. If those were winning Superbowls teams, OK. But they aren't.

Ok. Well good to know you dont read the material you post and cite lol

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Why would I even want to read about a tier 3 OL ranking anyhow? That's never been my angle. If those were winning Superbowls teams, OK. But they aren't.

Ok. Well good to know you dont read the material you post and cite lol

I read tier 1. That's all that's mattered. That'll probably be the case this year too.

You said all the same stuff last year at this time.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Might just be me, but if this is my source of truth and the bases of my whole argument, I'm going to make sure I read up on everything within it. Everything I've seen with Thorn and the tier rankings , pre, mid, end is all pay

If ya did that you might read a comment where he says a tier 1 o line is not required to win a SB.