49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:
Ironically, I think the key to this offense is Foerster and Lynn. Those 2 design the running game. Although Foerster himself said he didn't really know what his running game coordinator title actually meant. So it sounds like the design is really on Lynn and Kyle.

"Execution" is on Foerster. As we've seen, if you can stuff the run, that kills this offense. We now have 5 OL well versed in the system and a FB & TE's too.

Kyle's "genius" to me is more about how his designs help get guys wide open despite it being a pretty rudimentary passing game both in design and volume.

We have only seen that if you stuff the run it kills the offense with one guy at the trigger.

Originally posted by Giedi:
if Richburg was healthy and we had Brunskill at Right Guard, maybe Jimmy converts that 3rd down and we win. My hope is that the offensive line doesn't have those kinds of problems this year. I hope Burford flattens Jones in the playoffs.

Or if we had Purdy he would've made the play anyway.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, Kyle can certainly scheme around a lot. We'll probably see it against the Steelers and their pass rush. CMC as a security blanket has been heaven-sent for SF QB's as well. That all helps a ton. But eventually, the OL will have to stand on their own too esp. in the playoffs.

I don't know why the FO can't find 2 ER's and build a DL that closes out 10 point leads. It's really odd.

Didn't close thr Cowboys out?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
We have only seen that if you stuff the run it kills the offense with one guy at the trigger.

That's not even true the 2 years we have done a great job at using the pass to set up the run. Obviously, they may be a few games where the pass game didn't get going but including playoffs,these were our ranks in YPA

2021 season: #2
2022 season: #1

no one has really been more efficient than us in the pass game

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
if Richburg was healthy and we had Brunskill at Right Guard, maybe Jimmy converts that 3rd down and we win. My hope is that the offensive line doesn't have those kinds of problems this year. I hope Burford flattens Jones in the playoffs.

Or if we had Purdy he would've made the play anyway.

You are way out there. Expecting a QB to overcome everything and make Madden-like HOF plays at every crucial moment is unrealistic. It's not just that you see everything through the QB angle, it's that you do so to a point you can't see anything else around him.

You're likely to find out soon Brock isn't a video game character either.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, Kyle can certainly scheme around a lot. We'll probably see it against the Steelers and their pass rush. CMC as a security blanket has been heaven-sent for SF QB's as well. That all helps a ton. But eventually, the OL will have to stand on their own too esp. in the playoffs.

I don't know why the FO can't find 2 ER's and build a DL that closes out 10 point leads. It's really odd.

Didn't close thr Cowboys out?

That they did. Absolutely. I'm talking to secure a Superbowl. Not a playoff game.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
No, I'm saying if you're going to pivot to PFF, pressures of 35%+ are normal in that metric. You and French are using it as a negative to try and prove KC didn't have a tier 1 OL and the QB made the OL. Which is just silly.

But that is true. Not all pressures are the same.

And yes, that's in part because of the style of QB you have. A classic pocket passer (which a guy like JG, Brady, Brees, etc. would need to improve their odds of winning it all) and more mobile QB (which isn't 'as' critical).

Not all pressures are the same? You mean the argument thst was made to you ad nauseum 2 years ago. Funny how it only becomes that the moment it doesn't fit your argument anymore.

You don't get to change how you analyze the productivity of a group solely on the ability of their qb to make plays. It's not bad blocking for one team and fine blocking for another because the more capable qb made a play.

What exact argument?

I've always said a classic pocket passer like Jimmy (Tom) would always be best served when having a tier 1 OL. We know what happens when they do and when they don't.

You probably need to rewatch last year's Superbowl again and then rewatch ours (esp. the 4Q) again to see the differences in pressure and the effects.

That is, if you can look past the QB. LOL

Originally posted by NCommand:
What exact argument?

I've always said a classic pocket passer like Jimmy (Tom) would always be best served when having a tier 1 OL. We know what happens when they do and when they don't.

You probably need to rewatch last year's Superbowl again and then rewatch ours (esp. the 4Q) again to see the differences in pressure and the effects.

That is, if you can look past the QB. LOL

Watch the games. The chiefs OL was consistently beat all throughout the playoffs, especially their bad tackles. It didn't matter because of mahomes.

Not sure how many times it can be said but the QB is BY FAR the most important factor. Kirk cousins and Dak win 0 playoff games with KC.

Now, just because I don't think the chiefs OL was elite doesn't mean I think they were some bottom tier awful OL. They had bad tackles and a strong interior line. The reason the tackles didn't matter, the reason pressures given up (including up the middle!!) didn't matter in the sb is because they have a generational QB.

They almost got mahomes killed multiple times throughout the playoffs but he's mahomes

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
if Richburg was healthy and we had Brunskill at Right Guard, maybe Jimmy converts that 3rd down and we win. My hope is that the offensive line doesn't have those kinds of problems this year. I hope Burford flattens Jones in the playoffs.

Or if we had Purdy he would've made the play anyway.

That third down that I'm thinking of was a third down timing route that got knocked down, due to pressure by Chris Jones. If the OLine doesn't bring those DLine hands down, it really gets in the way - specially if your pass is only going about 10 yards. OLine and QB really have to work together on those short passes, because the passes are so short.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, Kyle can certainly scheme around a lot. We'll probably see it against the Steelers and their pass rush. CMC as a security blanket has been heaven-sent for SF QB's as well. That all helps a ton. But eventually, the OL will have to stand on their own too esp. in the playoffs.

I don't know why the FO can't find 2 ER's and build a DL that closes out 10 point leads. It's really odd.

Didn't close thr Cowboys out?

On the OLine, Trent was healthy in the playoffs last year. Year prior, when Trent was playing on one leg 49ers couldn't get past the rams. (If I remember right)

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, Kyle can certainly scheme around a lot. We'll probably see it against the Steelers and their pass rush. CMC as a security blanket has been heaven-sent for SF QB's as well. That all helps a ton. But eventually, the OL will have to stand on their own too esp. in the playoffs.

I don't know why the FO can't find 2 ER's and build a DL that closes out 10 point leads. It's really odd.

Didn't close thr Cowboys out?

That they did. Absolutely. I'm talking to secure a Superbowl. Not a playoff game.

You are way out there. Expecting a DL to overcome everything and make Madden-like HOF plays at every crucial moment is unrealistic. It's not just that you see everything through the FO angle, it's that you do so to a point you can't see anything else but their mistakes.

You're likely to find out soon building a team isn't a video game.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, Kyle can certainly scheme around a lot. We'll probably see it against the Steelers and their pass rush. CMC as a security blanket has been heaven-sent for SF QB's as well. That all helps a ton. But eventually, the OL will have to stand on their own too esp. in the playoffs.

I don't know why the FO can't find 2 ER's and build a DL that closes out 10 point leads. It's really odd.

Didn't close thr Cowboys out?

That they did. Absolutely. I'm talking to secure a Superbowl. Not a playoff game.

If we're putting any of the last SB loss on the defense I don't think it woulda been because we lacked 2 ER's, it was wholly on the secondary, and sadly they've become notorious for plays just like that. Every year they seem to give up huge plays on blown coverages or PI. I'm pretty satisfied with the current DL, especially after adding Javon, and since we didn't add much to the secondary I'm praying Wilks can fix it.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Gonna disagree with you on that one.

Of course you do. Because it torpedoes the whole argument. That's why now pressures aren't the same thing they were 2 years ago. You are spinning that Kcs pressures are ok because Patrick can take advantage of the space when Jimmy could not.

No, I'm saying if you're going to pivot to PFF, pressures of 35%+ are normal in that metric. You and French are using it as a negative to try and prove KC didn't have a tier 1 OL and the QB made the OL. Which is just silly.

But that is true. Not all pressures are the same.

And yes, that's in part because of the style of QB you have. A classic pocket passer (which a guy like JG, Brady, Brees, etc. would need to improve their odds of winning it all) and more mobile QB (which isn't 'as' critical).

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
if Richburg was healthy and we had Brunskill at Right Guard, maybe Jimmy converts that 3rd down and we win. My hope is that the offensive line doesn't have those kinds of problems this year. I hope Burford flattens Jones in the playoffs.

Or if we had Purdy he would've made the play anyway.

You are way out there. Expecting a QB to overcome everything and make Madden-like HOF plays at every crucial moment is unrealistic. It's not just that you see everything through the QB angle, it's that you do so to a point you can't see anything else around him.

You're likely to find out soon Brock isn't a video game character either.

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Wonder if NC ever hits this point