49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
if Richburg was healthy and we had Brunskill at Right Guard, maybe Jimmy converts that 3rd down and we win. My hope is that the offensive line doesn't have those kinds of problems this year. I hope Burford flattens Jones in the playoffs.

Or if we had Purdy he would've made the play anyway.

Richburg and Brunskill would have both got their ass whooped by Jones tbh.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, Kyle can certainly scheme around a lot. We'll probably see it against the Steelers and their pass rush. CMC as a security blanket has been heaven-sent for SF QB's as well. That all helps a ton. But eventually, the OL will have to stand on their own too esp. in the playoffs.

I don't know why the FO can't find 2 ER's and build a DL that closes out 10 point leads. It's really odd.

Didn't close thr Cowboys out?

That they did. Absolutely. I'm talking to secure a Superbowl. Not a playoff game.

You are way out there. Expecting a DL to overcome everything and make Madden-like HOF plays at every crucial moment is unrealistic. It's not just that you see everything through the FO angle, it's that you do so to a point you can't see anything else but their mistakes.

You're likely to find out soon building a team isn't a video game.

When you spend a gazillion resources and cap space on a DL, that Lynch himself said he expects to close, with a 10 point lead with only 7 minutes left, THAT'S not an unrealistic expectation. Giving up 21 points in 7 minutes is ridiculous and NOT a championship defense. We didn't have a championship QB or OL either. So there's that. ST and Kyle sucked too when it mattered most.

No, but teams that build for the 2023 NFL > 1990's model.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
if Richburg was healthy and we had Brunskill at Right Guard, maybe Jimmy converts that 3rd down and we win. My hope is that the offensive line doesn't have those kinds of problems this year. I hope Burford flattens Jones in the playoffs.

Or if we had Purdy he would've made the play anyway.

Richburg and Brunskill would have both got their ass whooped by Jones tbh.

Facts. Proof he can't see beyond the QB.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Wonder if NC ever hits this point

Best scene ever. PIVOT!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, Kyle can certainly scheme around a lot. We'll probably see it against the Steelers and their pass rush. CMC as a security blanket has been heaven-sent for SF QB's as well. That all helps a ton. But eventually, the OL will have to stand on their own too esp. in the playoffs.

I don't know why the FO can't find 2 ER's and build a DL that closes out 10 point leads. It's really odd.

Didn't close thr Cowboys out?

That they did. Absolutely. I'm talking to secure a Superbowl. Not a playoff game.

If we're putting any of the last SB loss on the defense I don't think it woulda been because we lacked 2 ER's, it was wholly on the secondary, and sadly they've become notorious for plays just like that. Every year they seem to give up huge plays on blown coverages or PI. I'm pretty satisfied with the current DL, especially after adding Javon, and since we didn't add much to the secondary I'm praying Wilks can fix it.

True too. Although they didn't close and Chris Jones and their pass rush did close. Clearly.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by NCommand:
What exact argument?

I've always said a classic pocket passer like Jimmy (Tom) would always be best served when having a tier 1 OL. We know what happens when they do and when they don't.

You probably need to rewatch last year's Superbowl again and then rewatch ours (esp. the 4Q) again to see the differences in pressure and the effects.

That is, if you can look past the QB. LOL

Watch the games. The chiefs OL was consistently beat all throughout the playoffs, especially their bad tackles. It didn't matter because of mahomes.

Not sure how many times it can be said but the QB is BY FAR the most important factor. Kirk cousins and Dak win 0 playoff games with KC.

Now, just because I don't think the chiefs OL was elite doesn't mean I think they were some bottom tier awful OL. They had bad tackles and a strong interior line. The reason the tackles didn't matter, the reason pressures given up (including up the middle!!) didn't matter in the sb is because they have a generational QB.

They almost got mahomes killed multiple times throughout the playoffs but he's mahomes

By "beat" you mean PM had to move an inch counting as a "pressure." Chief's OL > Philly's historic pass rush.

That's the bottom line. Chiefs had a tier 1 OL + QB. It's that simple. When PM doesn't have that, it's a 9-31 loss. He's mostly human too. You'll see that this year too. Remember this.

Originally posted by NCommand:
You are way out there. Expecting a QB to overcome everything and make Madden-like HOF plays at every crucial moment is unrealistic. It's not just that you see everything through the QB angle, it's that you do so to a point you can't see anything else around him.

You're likely to find out soon Brock isn't a video game character either.

You are way out there pretending our blocking was as bad as the Chiefs in their SB. The 9ers didn't block any worse than the Chiefs did in this past SB.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Facts. Proof he can't see beyond the QB.

I see fine. Didn't Purdy just have a 48% pressure rate vs Dallas? How'd that turn out

Or were his the good kinda pressures that are avoidable?

Proof that you can't see past your own narrative.

Originally posted by NCommand:
By "beat" you mean PM had to move an inch counting as a "pressure." Chief's OL > Philly's historic pass rush.

That's the bottom line. Chiefs had a tier 1 OL + QB. It's that simple. When PM doesn't have that, it's a 9-31 loss. He's mostly human too. You'll see that this year too. Remember this.

When Mahomes has a tier 7 OL it's a loss.

THIS IS WHAT YOU WONT UNDERSTAND.

Every OL that isn't tier 1 isn't equivalent to the Chiefs in the SB. His own line played like a medicore o line all playoffs. You won't admit thst because you know it torpedoes your argument so you instead pretend they were elite in the playoffs.

This is why you are so wholly disingenuous. The 9ers were never as bad as the Chiefs in the Bucs SB or the Rams week 1 this past year. They were on par with the Chiefs this past playoffs, it's just our qb got a season ending injury and there's lucked out. Had nothing to do with their OL tier.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
if Richburg was healthy and we had Brunskill at Right Guard, maybe Jimmy converts that 3rd down and we win. My hope is that the offensive line doesn't have those kinds of problems this year. I hope Burford flattens Jones in the playoffs.

Or if we had Purdy he would've made the play anyway.

Richburg and Brunskill would have both got their ass whooped by Jones tbh.

I forget which one it was (Brunskill I think) was able to handle Aaron Donald. Now I do know both Aaron and Chris are different, but I think Brunskill would have handled Chris Jones better than Person. At least I'd like to think so. That Richburg injury really sucked big time because he took a ton of cap space to sign, and really amounted to nothing. Not as bad as the Trey Lance results, but disappointing, nonetheless.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
By "beat" you mean PM had to move an inch counting as a "pressure." Chief's OL > Philly's historic pass rush.

That's the bottom line. Chiefs had a tier 1 OL + QB. It's that simple. When PM doesn't have that, it's a 9-31 loss. He's mostly human too. You'll see that this year too. Remember this.

When Mahomes has a tier 7 OL it's a loss.

THIS IS WHAT YOU WONT UNDERSTAND.

Every OL that isn't tier 1 isn't equivalent to the Chiefs in the SB. His own line played like a medicore o line all playoffs. You won't admit thst because you know it torpedoes your argument so you instead pretend they were elite in the playoffs.

This is why you are so wholly disingenuous. The 9ers were never as bad as the Chiefs in the Bucs SB or the Rams week 1 this past year. They were on par with the Chiefs this past playoffs, it's just our qb got a season ending injury and there's lucked out. Had nothing to do with their OL tier.

Lol. He will just keep repeating himself.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, Kyle can certainly scheme around a lot. We'll probably see it against the Steelers and their pass rush. CMC as a security blanket has been heaven-sent for SF QB's as well. That all helps a ton. But eventually, the OL will have to stand on their own too esp. in the playoffs.

I don't know why the FO can't find 2 ER's and build a DL that closes out 10 point leads. It's really odd.

Didn't close thr Cowboys out?

That they did. Absolutely. I'm talking to secure a Superbowl. Not a playoff game.

You are way out there. Expecting a DL to overcome everything and make Madden-like HOF plays at every crucial moment is unrealistic. It's not just that you see everything through the FO angle, it's that you do so to a point you can't see anything else but their mistakes.

You're likely to find out soon building a team isn't a video game.

When you spend a gazillion resources and cap space on a DL, that Lynch himself said he expects to close, with a 10 point lead with only 7 minutes left, THAT'S not an unrealistic expectation. Giving up 21 points in 7 minutes is ridiculous and NOT a championship defense. We didn't have a championship QB or OL either. So there's that. ST and Kyle sucked too when it mattered most.

No, but teams that build for the 2023 NFL > 1990's model.

The thing that hurt the 49ers in 2019, or so I think, is that pressure up the middle against an Immobile QB. Mobile QB's like Pat and Brock have the mobility to get away from the pressure up the middle and throw, but Jimmy's a friggen statue back there, and Definity agree with you that with Jimmy type QB's you'd want a top tier OLine to protect him and keep the pocket clean. Specially at the playoff and super bowl level.

Also, I still want a top tier OLIne for Purdy, despite the fact that he can be mobile and evade any pressure up the middle, and that's because of health. I don't want Purdy touched at all during the regular season or the playoffs. Purdy isn't 6'5" and can run like the wind, he's not small, but he's not big either. We have a good OLine, but it still remains to be seen if it's playoff or super bowl caliber level. We shall see.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
By "beat" you mean PM had to move an inch counting as a "pressure." Chief's OL > Philly's historic pass rush.

That's the bottom line. Chiefs had a tier 1 OL + QB. It's that simple. When PM doesn't have that, it's a 9-31 loss. He's mostly human too. You'll see that this year too. Remember this.

When Mahomes has a tier 7 OL it's a loss.

THIS IS WHAT YOU WONT UNDERSTAND.

Every OL that isn't tier 1 isn't equivalent to the Chiefs in the SB. His own line played like a medicore o line all playoffs. You won't admit thst because you know it torpedoes your argument so you instead pretend they were elite in the playoffs.

This is why you are so wholly disingenuous. The 9ers were never as bad as the Chiefs in the Bucs SB or the Rams week 1 this past year. They were on par with the Chiefs this past playoffs, it's just our qb got a season ending injury and there's lucked out. Had nothing to do with their OL tier.

Lol. He will just keep repeating himself.

love it when NC has to scramble more the PM in here

NCs new nickname is PM 🤣

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, Kyle can certainly scheme around a lot. We'll probably see it against the Steelers and their pass rush. CMC as a security blanket has been heaven-sent for SF QB's as well. That all helps a ton. But eventually, the OL will have to stand on their own too esp. in the playoffs.

I don't know why the FO can't find 2 ER's and build a DL that closes out 10 point leads. It's really odd.

Didn't close thr Cowboys out?

That they did. Absolutely. I'm talking to secure a Superbowl. Not a playoff game.

You are way out there. Expecting a DL to overcome everything and make Madden-like HOF plays at every crucial moment is unrealistic. It's not just that you see everything through the FO angle, it's that you do so to a point you can't see anything else but their mistakes.

You're likely to find out soon building a team isn't a video game.

When you spend a gazillion resources and cap space on a DL, that Lynch himself said he expects to close, with a 10 point lead with only 7 minutes left, THAT'S not an unrealistic expectation. Giving up 21 points in 7 minutes is ridiculous and NOT a championship defense. We didn't have a championship QB or OL either. So there's that. ST and Kyle sucked too when it mattered most.

No, but teams that build for the 2023 NFL > 1990's model.

We were a couple missed opportunities from winning it all. Sometimes things don't go in your favor. Sometimes players miss opportunities. Sometimes coaches make mistakes. Sometimes injuries or officiating shape a game. Sometimes you go against a HOF QB and he beats you. It happens. As much as it hurts to lose, I'd rather be in the big game than miss out. And as much scorn as you have for this FO and coaching staff, they've turned this franchise around into a perennial contender. That's what matters. Our squad has a fighting chance each year to win it all while other fans are thinking about who their team is going to draft.

I seem to remember you giving this franchise much more rope when Baalke was at the helm and hiring the likes of porn stache. We've come a long way to rebound. Enjoy it for a change.