49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
By "beat" you mean PM had to move an inch counting as a "pressure." Chief's OL > Philly's historic pass rush.

That's the bottom line. Chiefs had a tier 1 OL + QB. It's that simple. When PM doesn't have that, it's a 9-31 loss. He's mostly human too. You'll see that this year too. Remember this.

When Mahomes has a tier 7 OL it's a loss.

THIS IS WHAT YOU WONT UNDERSTAND.

Every OL that isn't tier 1 isn't equivalent to the Chiefs in the SB. His own line played like a medicore o line all playoffs. You won't admit thst because you know it torpedoes your argument so you instead pretend they were elite in the playoffs.

This is why you are so wholly disingenuous. The 9ers were never as bad as the Chiefs in the Bucs SB or the Rams week 1 this past year. They were on par with the Chiefs this past playoffs, it's just our qb got a season ending injury and there's lucked out. Had nothing to do with their OL tier.

Lol. He will just keep repeating himself.

Dude said, "Tier 7 OL."

That was a good one.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, Kyle can certainly scheme around a lot. We'll probably see it against the Steelers and their pass rush. CMC as a security blanket has been heaven-sent for SF QB's as well. That all helps a ton. But eventually, the OL will have to stand on their own too esp. in the playoffs.

I don't know why the FO can't find 2 ER's and build a DL that closes out 10 point leads. It's really odd.

Didn't close thr Cowboys out?

That they did. Absolutely. I'm talking to secure a Superbowl. Not a playoff game.

You are way out there. Expecting a DL to overcome everything and make Madden-like HOF plays at every crucial moment is unrealistic. It's not just that you see everything through the FO angle, it's that you do so to a point you can't see anything else but their mistakes.

You're likely to find out soon building a team isn't a video game.

When you spend a gazillion resources and cap space on a DL, that Lynch himself said he expects to close, with a 10 point lead with only 7 minutes left, THAT'S not an unrealistic expectation. Giving up 21 points in 7 minutes is ridiculous and NOT a championship defense. We didn't have a championship QB or OL either. So there's that. ST and Kyle sucked too when it mattered most.

No, but teams that build for the 2023 NFL > 1990's model.

We were a couple missed opportunities from winning it all. Sometimes things don't go in your favor. Sometimes players miss opportunities. Sometimes coaches make mistakes. Sometimes injuries or officiating shape a game. Sometimes you go against a HOF QB and he beats you. It happens. As much as it hurts to lose, I'd rather be in the big game than miss out. And as much scorn as you have for this FO and coaching staff, they've turned this franchise around into a perennial contender. That's what matters. Our squad has a fighting chance each year to win it all while other fans are thinking about who their team is going to draft.

I seem to remember you giving this franchise much more rope when Baalke was at the helm and hiring the likes of porn stache. We've come a long way to rebound. Enjoy it for a change.

Sometimes your talent went as far as it could (commendable) but the other team was just better, more talented, and it showed when it mattered most.

That used to be us.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Facts. Proof he can't see beyond the QB.

I see fine. Didn't Purdy just have a 48% pressure rate vs Dallas? How'd that turn out

Or were his the good kinda pressures that are avoidable?

Proof that you can't see past your own narrative.

He scored Jimmy Garoppolo level points. The defense actually closed. That's the only real difference. That, and he stayed mostly healthy and didn't get carted off the field for that week.

Originally posted by NCommand:
By "beat" you mean PM had to move an inch counting as a "pressure." Chief's OL > Philly's historic pass rush.

That's the bottom line. Chiefs had a tier 1 OL + QB. It's that simple. When PM doesn't have that, it's a 9-31 loss. He's mostly human too. You'll see that this year too. Remember this.

Mahomes almost had his leg snapped in half and suffered another bad injury in the sb to the point where they had to shoot him up again at halftime just so he could play. Guess he got that injury aggravated in the Superbowl because he had to move "an inch"

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, Kyle can certainly scheme around a lot. We'll probably see it against the Steelers and their pass rush. CMC as a security blanket has been heaven-sent for SF QB's as well. That all helps a ton. But eventually, the OL will have to stand on their own too esp. in the playoffs.

I don't know why the FO can't find 2 ER's and build a DL that closes out 10 point leads. It's really odd.

Didn't close thr Cowboys out?

That they did. Absolutely. I'm talking to secure a Superbowl. Not a playoff game.

You are way out there. Expecting a DL to overcome everything and make Madden-like HOF plays at every crucial moment is unrealistic. It's not just that you see everything through the FO angle, it's that you do so to a point you can't see anything else but their mistakes.

You're likely to find out soon building a team isn't a video game.

When you spend a gazillion resources and cap space on a DL, that Lynch himself said he expects to close, with a 10 point lead with only 7 minutes left, THAT'S not an unrealistic expectation. Giving up 21 points in 7 minutes is ridiculous and NOT a championship defense. We didn't have a championship QB or OL either. So there's that. ST and Kyle sucked too when it mattered most.

No, but teams that build for the 2023 NFL > 1990's model.

We were a couple missed opportunities from winning it all. Sometimes things don't go in your favor. Sometimes players miss opportunities. Sometimes coaches make mistakes. Sometimes injuries or officiating shape a game. Sometimes you go against a HOF QB and he beats you. It happens. As much as it hurts to lose, I'd rather be in the big game than miss out. And as much scorn as you have for this FO and coaching staff, they've turned this franchise around into a perennial contender. That's what matters. Our squad has a fighting chance each year to win it all while other fans are thinking about who their team is going to draft.

I seem to remember you giving this franchise much more rope when Baalke was at the helm and hiring the likes of porn stache. We've come a long way to rebound. Enjoy it for a change.

Agree that making the playoffs and making the Superbowl is better than not making it. I think eventually our *luck* will turn, and the breaks should go for us rather than against us. I still cite the fact that the 49ers have 20+ years of making the playoffs but only 5 super bowls to show for it.

We have one of the best coaching staffs in the NFL for sure, and I think the problem both NC and I have is with the coaches is the draft capital that's been devoted to the Offensive Line. It looks like the 49ers would rather get free agents for the OLine than spending draft capital. The good is you save draft capital for the important DLine/DE position - which is important, but when the 49ers use draft capital for the offensive line, it's more mid to late rounds, with undrafted free agents rounding out depth.

I think now that we have a franchise QB, I think that mixture has to change - not a whole lot, but just a bit to deal with Trent's inevitable retirement and developing some depth behind the starters to protect the all-important franchise QB.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by NCommand:
By "beat" you mean PM had to move an inch counting as a "pressure." Chief's OL > Philly's historic pass rush.

That's the bottom line. Chiefs had a tier 1 OL + QB. It's that simple. When PM doesn't have that, it's a 9-31 loss. He's mostly human too. You'll see that this year too. Remember this.

Mahomes almost had his leg snapped in half and suffered another bad injury in the sb to the point where they had to shoot him up again at halftime just so he could play. Guess he got that injury aggravated in the Superbowl because he had to move "an inch"

I've posted this before. That ankle injury was on him. He had plenty of time and space to hit his wide open check down and stay healthy. The 'pressure' even forced him to the check down side. He chose for the bigger play and got hurt.

=zORFXoSNsh-Hiqnc

Originally posted by NCommand:
He scored Jimmy Garoppolo level points. The defense actually closed. That's the only real difference. That, and he stayed mostly healthy and didn't get carted off the field for that week.

He also didn't make any dumb plays or miss a ton of wide open opportunities against weak secondaries. Two other big differences.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I've posted this before. That ankle injury was on him. He had plenty of time and space to hit his wide open check down and stay healthy. The 'pressure' even forced him to the check down side. He chose for the bigger play and got hurt.

=zORFXoSNsh-Hiqnc

So there was time for Mahomes to make a decision and he made the wrong one and you don't blame the OL for it? 2021 you would be apoplectic.

Has there ever been a pressure the 9ers have given up that was the QBs fault?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
He scored Jimmy Garoppolo level points. The defense actually closed. That's the only real difference. That, and he stayed mostly healthy and didn't get carted off the field for that week.

He also didn't make any dumb plays or miss a ton of wide open opportunities against weak secondaries. Two other big differences.

I agree with that. I don't remember him forcing too much or trying to play hero ball. He let the game come to him and showed poise while under a ton of duress.

But at the end of the day, like you always say, < 20 points isn't going to win you anything (Garoppolo vs. Rams) esp. in the playoffs.

But it did...b/c the defense finally closed for this QB. Not the other.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I've posted this before. That ankle injury was on him. He had plenty of time and space to hit his wide open check down and stay healthy. The 'pressure' even forced him to the check down side. He chose for the bigger play and got hurt.

=zORFXoSNsh-Hiqnc

So there was time for Mahomes to make a decision and he made the wrong one and you don't blame the OL for it? 2021 you would be apoplectic.

There was 1) A lane to step up in 2) A wide open check down and 3) Time to go to read 2

The pressure only matters because he held the ball too long trying to find a bigger play.

In PFF, that's still marked as a pressure. And rightfully so. But it also doesn't tell you the context.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Has there ever been a pressure the 9ers have given up that was the QBs fault?

Oh God yes. Lots of them.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I've posted this before. That ankle injury was on him. He had plenty of time and space to hit his wide open check down and stay healthy. The 'pressure' even forced him to the check down side. He chose for the bigger play and got hurt.

=zORFXoSNsh-Hiqnc

So there was time for Mahomes to make a decision and he made the wrong one and you don't blame the OL for it? 2021 you would be apoplectic.

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Originally posted by NCommand:
I've posted this before. That ankle injury was on him. He had plenty of time and space to hit his wide open check down and stay healthy. The 'pressure' even forced him to the check down side. He chose for the bigger play and got hurt.

=zORFXoSNsh-Hiqnc

LT got demolished by Arden key lol. And this is an elite line?

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I've posted this before. That ankle injury was on him. He had plenty of time and space to hit his wide open check down and stay healthy. The 'pressure' even forced him to the check down side. He chose for the bigger play and got hurt.

=zORFXoSNsh-Hiqnc

LT got demolished by Arden key lol. And this is an elite line?

Yup. He certainly got beat. Yup. That was a tier 1 OL.

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