49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I've posted this before. That ankle injury was on him. He had plenty of time and space to hit his wide open check down and stay healthy. The 'pressure' even forced him to the check down side. He chose for the bigger play and got hurt.

=zORFXoSNsh-Hiqnc

So there was time for Mahomes to make a decision and he made the wrong one and you don't blame the OL for it? 2021 you would be apoplectic.

There was 1) A lane to step up in 2) A wide open check down and 3) Time to go to read 2

The pressure only matters because he held the ball too long trying to find a bigger play.

In PFF, that's still marked as a pressure. And rightfully so. But it also doesn't tell you the context.

So like the niners last few drives in SB and NFCCG. Thanks for confirming

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I've posted this before. That ankle injury was on him. He had plenty of time and space to hit his wide open check down and stay healthy. The 'pressure' even forced him to the check down side. He chose for the bigger play and got hurt.

=zORFXoSNsh-Hiqnc

So there was time for Mahomes to make a decision and he made the wrong one and you don't blame the OL for it? 2021 you would be apoplectic.

There was 1) A lane to step up in 2) A wide open check down and 3) Time to go to read 2

The pressure only matters because he held the ball too long trying to find a bigger play.

In PFF, that's still marked as a pressure. And rightfully so. But it also doesn't tell you the context.

So like the niners last few drives in SB and NFCCG. Thanks for confirming

LMAO. We haven't had a check down here until CMC.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I've posted this before. That ankle injury was on him. He had plenty of time and space to hit his wide open check down and stay healthy. The 'pressure' even forced him to the check down side. He chose for the bigger play and got hurt.

=zORFXoSNsh-Hiqnc

So there was time for Mahomes to make a decision and he made the wrong one and you don't blame the OL for it? 2021 you would be apoplectic.

There was 1) A lane to step up in 2) A wide open check down and 3) Time to go to read 2

The pressure only matters because he held the ball too long trying to find a bigger play.

In PFF, that's still marked as a pressure. And rightfully so. But it also doesn't tell you the context.

So like the niners last few drives in SB and NFCCG. Thanks for confirming

LMAO. We haven't had a check down here until CMC.

Yeah might want to rewatch the last few drives of that SB

Originally posted by NCommand:
LMAO. We haven't had a check down here until CMC.

Didn't have a QB who actually looked to the check down until CMC got here. Brock doesn't seem to have an issue finding Elijah.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I agree with that. I don't remember him forcing too much or trying to play hero ball. He let the game come to him and showed poise while under a ton of duress.

But at the end of the day, like you always say, < 20 points isn't going to win you anything (Garoppolo vs. Rams) esp. in the playoffs.

But it did...b/c the defense finally closed for this QB. Not the other.

Not against Rams and Chiefs but Dallas had a far superior defense to both with an inferior qb. If you wanna see what Jimmy would've done against them put on the Packer playoff game tape.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LMAO. We haven't had a check down here until CMC.

Didn't have a QB who actually looked to the check down until CMC got here. Brock doesn't seem to have an issue finding Elijah.

LMAO.

Now Jeff Wilson Jr. >>>>> CMC

You love pivoting to Jimmy. So funny.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I've posted this before. That ankle injury was on him. He had plenty of time and space to hit his wide open check down and stay healthy. The 'pressure' even forced him to the check down side. He chose for the bigger play and got hurt.

=zORFXoSNsh-Hiqnc

So there was time for Mahomes to make a decision and he made the wrong one and you don't blame the OL for it? 2021 you would be apoplectic.

There was 1) A lane to step up in 2) A wide open check down and 3) Time to go to read 2

The pressure only matters because he held the ball too long trying to find a bigger play.

In PFF, that's still marked as a pressure. And rightfully so. But it also doesn't tell you the context.

So like the niners last few drives in SB and NFCCG. Thanks for confirming

LMAO. We haven't had a check down here until CMC.

Love CMC, he' can operate the gap scheme and the zone scheme. Dude is a first round first pick level talent. Hall of fame potential this year if he can do what Marshal Faulk and Ricky Waters did for their respective offenses. I noticed that Trent and Banks are 320+ Lbs, while Brendel, Burford, and McKivitz are hovering around 300 Lbs. So gap runs to the left, and zone run to the right. Really great for those naked boots to the right for Purdy. If defenses ignore the gap scheme runs to the left, and just Tee off on Purdy, Kyle will make them pay. Zone runs to the right, and if the defenses tee off on those zone runs, then Kyle will just counter with the Counter Trey. I want to see Big Trent Williams clock a pittsburg DE/DT and road grade him in the BlitzBurg game.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LMAO. We haven't had a check down here until CMC.

Didn't have a QB who actually looked to the check down until CMC got here. Brock doesn't seem to have an issue finding Elijah.

LMAO.

Now Jeff Wilson Jr. >>>>> CMC

You love pivoting to Jimmy. So funny.

You have for years blamed Jimmy's shortcomings on the OLine. To bring him up is not a pivot.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I've posted this before. That ankle injury was on him. He had plenty of time and space to hit his wide open check down and stay healthy. The 'pressure' even forced him to the check down side. He chose for the bigger play and got hurt.

=zORFXoSNsh-Hiqnc

So there was time for Mahomes to make a decision and he made the wrong one and you don't blame the OL for it? 2021 you would be apoplectic.

There was 1) A lane to step up in 2) A wide open check down and 3) Time to go to read 2

The pressure only matters because he held the ball too long trying to find a bigger play.

In PFF, that's still marked as a pressure. And rightfully so. But it also doesn't tell you the context.

So like the niners last few drives in SB and NFCCG. Thanks for confirming

LMAO. We haven't had a check down here until CMC.

Love CMC, he' can operate the gap scheme and the zone scheme. Dude is a first round first pick level talent. Hall of fame potential this year if he can do what Marshal Faulk and Ricky Waters did for their respective offenses. I noticed that Trent and Banks are 320+ Lbs, while Brendel, Burford, and McKivitz are hovering around 300 Lbs. So gap runs to the left, and zone run to the right. Really great for those naked boots to the right for Purdy. If defenses ignore the gap scheme runs to the left, and just Tee off on Purdy, Kyle will make them pay. Zone runs to the right, and if the defenses tee off on those zone runs, then Kyle will just counter with the Counter Trey. I want to see Big Trent Williams clock a pittsburg DE/DT and road grade him in the BlitzBurg game.

Once the site is updated, you should look up Football Outsiders Directional Offensive Line stats. That'd be cool to see which side of the OL (and where) we ran with the most/least success.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, Kyle can certainly scheme around a lot. We'll probably see it against the Steelers and their pass rush. CMC as a security blanket has been heaven-sent for SF QB's as well. That all helps a ton. But eventually, the OL will have to stand on their own too esp. in the playoffs.

I don't know why the FO can't find 2 ER's and build a DL that closes out 10 point leads. It's really odd.

Didn't close thr Cowboys out?

That they did. Absolutely. I'm talking to secure a Superbowl. Not a playoff game.

You are way out there. Expecting a DL to overcome everything and make Madden-like HOF plays at every crucial moment is unrealistic. It's not just that you see everything through the FO angle, it's that you do so to a point you can't see anything else but their mistakes.

You're likely to find out soon building a team isn't a video game.

When you spend a gazillion resources and cap space on a DL, that Lynch himself said he expects to close, with a 10 point lead with only 7 minutes left, THAT'S not an unrealistic expectation. Giving up 21 points in 7 minutes is ridiculous and NOT a championship defense. We didn't have a championship QB or OL either. So there's that. ST and Kyle sucked too when it mattered most.

No, but teams that build for the 2023 NFL > 1990's model.

We were a couple missed opportunities from winning it all. Sometimes things don't go in your favor. Sometimes players miss opportunities. Sometimes coaches make mistakes. Sometimes injuries or officiating shape a game. Sometimes you go against a HOF QB and he beats you. It happens. As much as it hurts to lose, I'd rather be in the big game than miss out. And as much scorn as you have for this FO and coaching staff, they've turned this franchise around into a perennial contender. That's what matters. Our squad has a fighting chance each year to win it all while other fans are thinking about who their team is going to draft.

I seem to remember you giving this franchise much more rope when Baalke was at the helm and hiring the likes of porn stache. We've come a long way to rebound. Enjoy it for a change.

Sometimes your talent went as far as it could (commendable) but the other team was just better, more talented, and it showed when it mattered most.

That used to be us.

It still can be us. You're clearly old enough to understand that it takes a long time to build a championship roster. Here we are in year 7 of this regime with a championship roster. We are right there, so, I don't know, stop complaining and enjoy the ride. Or keep complaining and judging the FO with the benefit of hindsight. You do you.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree that making the playoffs and making the Superbowl is better than not making it. I think eventually our *luck* will turn, and the breaks should go for us rather than against us. I still cite the fact that the 49ers have 20+ years of making the playoffs but only 5 super bowls to show for it.

We have one of the best coaching staffs in the NFL for sure, and I think the problem both NC and I have is with the coaches is the draft capital that's been devoted to the Offensive Line. It looks like the 49ers would rather get free agents for the OLine than spending draft capital. The good is you save draft capital for the important DLine/DE position - which is important, but when the 49ers use draft capital for the offensive line, it's more mid to late rounds, with undrafted free agents rounding out depth.

I think now that we have a franchise QB, I think that mixture has to change - not a whole lot, but just a bit to deal with Trent's inevitable retirement and developing some depth behind the starters to protect the all-important franchise QB.

I understand your concern and also wish we had someone to bookend our line that wasn't a question mark, plus better depth. But you can't have every unit on the team filled with stars. The fact we have the best offensive linemen in the league coupled with a young and up and coming interior is a recipe for success there. You can't say our FO hasn't dedicated resources here.

Clearly the interior, which has been developed through the draft, becoming a strength was not something the armchair GMs like NC could see coming. Last year at this time NC was constantly ragging on our brain trust for rolling out with Banks, Brendel, and Burford. And guess what, these dudes brought it. They weren't top tier, but they're young and will only get better this year. So the FO must be confident they can develop players, and you know what? I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt because they are the professionals working day in day out with these guys. NC is not.

I watched some of the Alabama game yesterday. They have the biggest O line in history. Last year the NFL averaged 6'5" and 315 lbs. The biggest line was NE at 336 lbs. Alabamas' 5 starters average 6'5" and 339 lbs. They have 3 guys over 350 which is unheard of. They didn't look slow either.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I watched some of the Alabama game yesterday. They have the biggest O line in history. Last year the NFL averaged 6'5" and 315 lbs. The biggest line was NE at 336 lbs. Alabamas' 5 starters average 6'5" and 339 lbs. They have 3 guys over 350 which is unheard of. They didn't look slow either.

Harbaugh and Baalke would drool at that, but probably not the prototypical Shanahan linemen.

Originally posted by NCommand:
LMAO. We haven't had a check down here until CMC.

I think we're just going to disagree on a lot related to OL vs QB so I'll leave it at that BUT I will say jimmy missed several easy opportunities when we had a 10 point lead. One play would have been a walk in TD as Bourne (or Coleman?) motioned and just uncovered on the right sideline, hand up. He probably wouldn't have been touched before the endzone

However, jimmy decided to throw to a contested kittle over the middle and the ball was knocked down anyways.

Originally posted by NCommand:
LMAO.

Now Jeff Wilson Jr. >>>>> CMC

You love pivoting to Jimmy. So funny.

You love to take arguments to extremes to make ridiculous points because you are so wrong on everything.

Jeff Wilson is not better than CMC. But to say our backs couldn't catch previous to CMC is also patently false. They just weren't used properly because the QB was not good ant doing progressions. Objective fact.

Again why does Brock have no issue finding Elijah?